U.S. Politics

[Tom Graves]

MAGA-enthusiast Royell Storing, a great defender of anti-Democrat / anti-"Deep State" conspiracy theories, posted on this thread yesterday, "And now the DOJ has thrown Obama into the middle of the Trump/Russia Conspiracy."

Dear Comrade Storing,

Didn't you mean to say "Comrade Tulsi Gabbard," instead?

Regardless, did you miss this article from today's NY Times?

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Friday issued the latest in a series of reports from the Trump administration attempting to undermine the eight-year-old assessment that Russia favored the election of Donald J. Trump in 2016. Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence, said the information she was releasing showed a “treasonous conspiracy in 2016” by top Obama administration officials to harm Mr. Trump. Democrats denounced the effort as politically motivated, error-ridden and in contradiction with previous reviews of the assessment. Representative Jim Himes of Connecticut, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, called Ms. Gabbard’s accusation of treason “baseless.” Intelligence agencies and Senate investigators spent years reviewing the work, and concluded that during the 2016 election, the Russians conducted probing operations of election systems to see if they could change vote outcomes. While they extracted voter registration data in Illinois and Arizona, and probed in other states, there was no evidence that Moscow’s hackers attempted to actually change votes. The Obama administration assessment never contended that Russian hackers manipulated votes. Russia also conducted influence operations to change public opinion. That included using fake social media posts to sow division among Americans and leaking documents stolen from the Democratic National Committee to denigrate Hillary Clinton, the Democratic presidential nominee. Multiple reviews, including a Republican-led Senate report, backed the findings of American spy agencies in late 2016 that Russia was trying to influence the election by damaging Ms. Clinton’s campaign and bolstering Mr. Trump. Among the Republican senators on the Intelligence Committee that produced the various reports on Russian influence operations was Marco Rubio of Florida, now the secretary of state. The new report by Ms. Gabbard’s staff conflates those two activities by the Russians and tries to suggest that the Obama administration forced the intelligence community to alter its conclusions. The findings by Ms. Gabbard’s office highlighted an email from an assistant to a previous director of national intelligence, James Clapper, that said President Barack Obama was seeking a new assessment of the “tools Moscow used and actions it took to influence the 2016 election.” Still, it has long been known that Mr. Obama had tasked intelligence officials to review the material they had collected and report what they had learned before he left office. At the time, Obama administration officials said they worried that the intelligence assessment would be buried when Mr. Trump took over for his first term. A CIA review released this month took issue with the speed with which that assessment was conducted. The CIA then referred John O. Brennan, the agency’s former director, to the F.B.I. for criminal investigation. The report released on Friday highlighted that there was “no indication of a Russian threat to directly manipulate the actual vote count,” then contrasted that with the spy agencies’ ultimate conclusion in December 2016 that President Vladimir V. Putin “aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances.” The report focused on a decision intelligence officials made at the time against producing an article for the president’s daily intelligence briefing that would have said that the Russians “did not impact recent U.S. election results by conducting malicious cyber activities against election infrastructure.” But Senator Mark Warner of Virginia, the top Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, said the new report compared two different things: Russian attempts to hack into voting systems and Russian influence operations meant to sway public opinion.  “This is one more example of the director of national intelligence trying to cook the books,” Mr. Warner said. “We’re talking about apples and oranges. The Russians were not successful at manipulating our election infrastructure, nor did we say they were.” The influence operations that the intelligence community reported, and the Senate Intelligence Committee studied extensively, were a different effort, he said. Mr. Warner noted that as recently as March, the intelligence community reported that Russia had continued its malign influence efforts to sow dissent in the West. The report found that “Moscow probably believes information operations efforts to influence U.S. elections are advantageous,” and that undermining the integrity of American elections was a key goal. “They acknowledged that Russia’s effort to meddle goes on. That was an assessment under her watch,” he said, referring to Ms. Gabbard. Mr. Warner said his committee examined the effort to produce the intelligence assessment in December 2016 and found no attempt by Mr. Obama or senior officials to manipulate the findings.

[Royell Storing]

  As my Dad used to say, "Every Knock issa Plug. As long as they spell the name right".

[Richard Smith]

The Epstein problem is bipartisan. It's not as if there aren't a bunch of pictures of Bill and Hillary with Epstein and Maxwell. Other Dems, wealthy Liberals, and foreign heads of state from allied countries like Israel and the UK are mixed up with this stuff too.

So it's possible that Dem elites want to sweep the Epstein stuff under the rug as much as Trump. Nevermind the fact that the DOJ and FBI don't typically just leak classified and court documents and videos to the Press.


That wasn't a "leak". Someone who had access to Trump's tax returns gave them to the Press. Maybe a disgruntled Trump accountant for all we know.

I don't doubt that the Dems did not release any information because prominent libs like Bill Clinton and donors like Bill Gates are implicated.  They would certainly, however, have leaked any information that would have incriminated Trump to stay in power.  They pulled every other dirty trick to do so.   

On Trump's taxes, they were lllegally leaked.  The person responsible was convicted.

"On September 29, 2023, federal prosecutors announced they were charging someone with leaking the data from Trump's tax returns while he was a contractor for the IRS from 2018 to 2020. In October Charles E. Littlejohn pleaded guilty to unauthorized disclosure of tax returns and return information."

[Jon Banks]

I don't doubt that the Dems did not release any information because prominent libs like Bill Clinton and donors like Bill Gates are implicated.  They would certainly, however, have leaked any information that would have incriminated Trump to stay in power.  They pulled every other dirty trick to do so.   

On Trump's taxes, they were lllegally leaked.  The person responsible was convicted.

"On September 29, 2023, federal prosecutors announced they were charging someone with leaking the data from Trump's tax returns while he was a contractor for the IRS from 2018 to 2020. In October Charles E. Littlejohn pleaded guilty to unauthorized disclosure of tax returns and return information."

Fair enough. I still believe the coverup is due to Epstein’s intelligence connections more than anything else.

And both political parties have an interest in not revealing the reasons why JP Morgan would ask Epstein for help in getting a meeting with Netanyahu or why people like Bill Gates continued to associate with Epstein after he became a known sex offender.