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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Cuban exile told sons he trained Oswald for CIA
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2021, 12:28:34 AM »
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From the article linked to in the original post:


The “Monkey,” a former intelligence agent for the Castro government in the early days of the revolution, later worked for or collaborated with the CIA, the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Administration, Israel’s Mossad and Venezuela’s DISIP intelligence agency during the 1960s and ‘70s. According to CIA documents declassified in 2017, Morales was terminated as a CIA contract worker in 1964 after a mission in the Congo because he was “’too wise’ and not too clever for own good.”


Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article255356661.html#storylink=cpy


This guy worked for Castro? Now it does start to get interesting…

Not sure about the Castro stuff.

Morales worked for the CIA and FBI through the 1970s. Some files on him are still classified.

https://jfkfacts.org/redacted-jfk-files-show-ricardo-monkey-morales-was-a-trusted-cia-operative-and-fbi-informant/
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Re: Cuban exile told sons he trained Oswald for CIA
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Re: Cuban exile told sons he trained Oswald for CIA
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2021, 02:14:03 AM »
Not sure about the Castro stuff.

Morales worked for the CIA and FBI through the 1970s. Some files on him are still classified.

https://jfkfacts.org/redacted-jfk-files-show-ricardo-monkey-morales-was-a-trusted-cia-operative-and-fbi-informant/


Not sure about the Castro stuff.

Castro’s intelligence agency had reportedly infiltrated the CIA at that point in time with double agent(s). (Of course they were assisted by the Soviets.) I searched four books on Castro that I have in the Kindle format, but found no reference to the name Morales. Of course names are often changed for espionage purposes.

Apparently Morales made a lot of claims about his activities. It’s hard to believe that he was involved with all of them. The Oswald “connection” might just be one of the claims that will never be confirmed. And it is possible that his son just made it up for the purposes of attention getting and the money from the TV production that he is supposedly pursuing.

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Re: Cuban exile told sons he trained Oswald for CIA
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2021, 02:32:46 AM »

Not sure about the Castro stuff.

Castro’s intelligence agency had reportedly infiltrated the CIA at that point in time with double agent(s). (Of course they were assisted by the Soviets.) I searched four books on Castro that I have in the Kindle format, but found no reference to the name Morales. Of course names are often changed for espionage purposes.

Many Cuban exiles supported Castro before he went full communist. He wouldn't be the first to switch from supporting Castro to opposing him.

Morales has been implicated in anti-Cuba terror attacks and he confessed to involvement in many attacks on Cuba. Hard to believe he would be connected to violent attacks on Cuba if he were a double-agent.

 
When Morales’s anti-Castro compatriots bombed a Polish ship and other communist targets in 1968, his fingerprints were found at one of the bombing scenes. The FBI received testimony that the explosives came from the CIA. Morales then became a witness for U.S. prosecutors. He wore a wire for the FBI while meeting with other Cuban suspects in the case. In a 1972 memo, the chief of the Agency’s Western Hemisphere division said the FBI considered Morales “honest and objective” as an informant.


So he was violent and likely a contract killer but also a US intelligence asset.



Apparently Morales made a lot of claims about his activities. It’s hard to believe that he was involved with all of them. The Oswald “connection” might just be one of the claims that will never be confirmed. And it is possible that his son just made it up for the purposes of attention getting and the money from the TV production that he is supposedly pursuing.

Morales' son seems pretty credible and his relationships with the FBI and CIA have been confirmed.

That doesn't mean Morales told his son the truth of course but it's at least plausible that he had some knowledge of the JFK assassination plot.

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Re: Cuban exile told sons he trained Oswald for CIA
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2021, 02:38:58 PM »
Many Cuban exiles supported Castro before he went full communist. He wouldn't be the first to switch from supporting Castro to opposing him.

Morales has been implicated in anti-Cuba terror attacks and he confessed to involvement in many attacks on Cuba. Hard to believe he would be connected to violent attacks on Cuba if he were a double-agent.

 
When Morales’s anti-Castro compatriots bombed a Polish ship and other communist targets in 1968, his fingerprints were found at one of the bombing scenes. The FBI received testimony that the explosives came from the CIA. Morales then became a witness for U.S. prosecutors. He wore a wire for the FBI while meeting with other Cuban suspects in the case. In a 1972 memo, the chief of the Agency’s Western Hemisphere division said the FBI considered Morales “honest and objective” as an informant.


So he was violent and likely a contract killer but also a US intelligence asset.


Morales' son seems pretty credible and his relationships with the FBI and CIA have been confirmed.

That doesn't mean Morales told his son the truth of course but it's at least plausible that he had some knowledge of the JFK assassination plot.


 Hard to believe he would be connected to violent attacks on Cuba if he were a double-agent.


Not really that hard to believe, considering how many reported assassination attempts on Castro failed and how many of the attackers ended up getting caught and imprisoned in Cuba. And the lack of success that the attacks had on the ultimate goal of displacing the regime. Morales may or may not have been one. But there apparently were some double agents who warned the Cuban intelligence folks ahead of time about some of the attacks.

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Re: Cuban exile told sons he trained Oswald for CIA
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2021, 04:34:14 PM »

 Hard to believe he would be connected to violent attacks on Cuba if he were a double-agent.


Not really that hard to believe, considering how many reported assassination attempts on Castro failed and how many of the attackers ended up getting caught and imprisoned in Cuba. And the lack of success that the attacks had on the ultimate goal of displacing the regime. Morales may or may not have been one. But there apparently were some double agents who warned the Cuban intelligence folks ahead of time about some of the attacks.

There absolutely were Cuban spies infiltrating the Cuban Exile community in the US. Even as recently as the 1990s.

I just don’t find it convincing that a guy who participated in one of the worst terror attacks ever against Cuba, could be viewed as having loyalties with Cuba.

From the Herald article:

Morales claimed to have been involved in almost every major plot to overthrow Fidel Castro, and he confessed to having a hand in more than 15 bombings. After his death, he was even linked to a plot to kill Secretary of State Henry Kissinger in 1976, the Herald reported in 1991.

In a pretrial deposition related to a drug investigation case in which he was an informant, Morales confessed to being one of the people behind the mid-air bombing of a Cubana Airlines jetliner in Barbados in 1976, killing all 73 aboard.


https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article255356661.html



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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2021, 05:12:42 PM »
There absolutely were Cuban spies infiltrating the Cuban Exile community in the US. Even as recently as the 1990s.

I just don’t find it convincing that a guy who participated in one of the worst terror attacks ever against Cuba, could be viewed as having loyalties with Cuba.

From the Herald article:

Morales claimed to have been involved in almost every major plot to overthrow Fidel Castro, and he confessed to having a hand in more than 15 bombings. After his death, he was even linked to a plot to kill Secretary of State Henry Kissinger in 1976, the Herald reported in 1991.

In a pretrial deposition related to a drug investigation case in which he was an informant, Morales confessed to being one of the people behind the mid-air bombing of a Cubana Airlines jetliner in Barbados in 1976, killing all 73 aboard.


https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article255356661.html

So, why do you think a “loyal” CIA affiliate would (allegedly) be involved in a plot to kill Kissinger?   :-X

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Re: Cuban exile told sons he trained Oswald for CIA
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2021, 05:38:06 PM »
So, why do you think a “loyal” CIA affiliate would (allegedly) be involved in a plot to kill Kissinger?   :-X

The same reason he might've been involved in a plot to kill JFK. Aside from his role as a government informant, he was a contract killer, terrorist, and drug trafficker.

It's not implausible that someone within the US national security state wanted to kill Kissinger or other US government officials. Or maybe the Cuban Exile community had beef with Kissinger over US-Cuba policy. They are the same domestic extremists who attempted to bomb the UN in New York City.

The Day Anti-Castro Forces Tried to Bomb the U.N.
http://www.ipsnews.net/2014/12/the-day-anti-castro-forces-tried-to-bomb-the-u-n/


Given that Morales informed the CIA on the Cuban Exile group, Movimiento Democratic Cristiano, a group that was active in New Orleans in the early-60s, it sounds like his son's story is at the very least, plausible:

Morales also told his son that he met Oswald in a CIA training camp. He didn’t tell his son when or where. There was a training camp near New Orleans where Oswald lived in 1963, that was run by an anti-Castro group called the Movimiento Democratico Cristiano (MDC). Morales is known to have reported on MDC activities in 1964.

https://jfkfacts.org/redacted-jfk-files-show-ricardo-monkey-morales-was-a-trusted-cia-operative-and-fbi-informant/


FWIW, parts of Morales' CIA files are still classified and we don't know exactly when his relationships with exile groups in New Orleans began. We can't say for certain that his relationship with the MDC overlapped with Oswald's time in New Orleans.


His heavily-redacted 130-page CIA personnel file, is found among the JFK assassination records whose release was postponed by the White House on October 22.

https://jfkfacts.org/redacted-jfk-files-show-ricardo-monkey-morales-was-a-trusted-cia-operative-and-fbi-informant/
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« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2021, 07:07:46 PM »
The same reason he might've been involved in a plot to kill JFK. Aside from his role as a government informant, he was a contract killer, terrorist, and drug trafficker.

It's not implausible that someone within the US national security state wanted to kill Kissinger or other US government officials. Or maybe the Cuban Exile community had beef with Kissinger over US-Cuba policy. They are the same domestic extremists who attempted to bomb the UN in New York City.

The Day Anti-Castro Forces Tried to Bomb the U.N.
http://www.ipsnews.net/2014/12/the-day-anti-castro-forces-tried-to-bomb-the-u-n/


Given that Morales informed the CIA on the Cuban Exile group, Movimiento Democratic Cristiano, a group that was active in New Orleans in the early-60s, it sounds like his son's story is at the very least, plausible:

Morales also told his son that he met Oswald in a CIA training camp. He didn’t tell his son when or where. There was a training camp near New Orleans where Oswald lived in 1963, that was run by an anti-Castro group called the Movimiento Democratico Cristiano (MDC). Morales is known to have reported on MDC activities in 1964.

https://jfkfacts.org/redacted-jfk-files-show-ricardo-monkey-morales-was-a-trusted-cia-operative-and-fbi-informant/


FWIW, parts of Morales' CIA files are still classified and we don't know exactly when his relationships with exile groups in New Orleans began. We can't say for certain that his relationship with the MDC overlapped with Oswald's time in New Orleans.


His heavily-redacted 130-page CIA personnel file, is found among the JFK assassination records whose release was postponed by the White House on October 22.

https://jfkfacts.org/redacted-jfk-files-show-ricardo-monkey-morales-was-a-trusted-cia-operative-and-fbi-informant/


It's not implausible that someone within the US national security state wanted to kill Kissinger or other US government officials. Or maybe the Cuban Exile community had beef with Kissinger over US-Cuba policy. They are the same domestic extremists who attempted to bomb the UN in New York City.


US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger drew up plans to "smash Cuba" with air strikes nearly 40 years ago, government papers obtained by researchers show.
He was angered by Cuba's 1976 military intervention in Angola and was considering retaliation if Cuban forces were deployed elsewhere in Africa.
The information comes from documents declassified at the request of the National Security Archive.
They show that Mr Kissinger was eager for the US to stand up to Cuba.
The documents from the Gerald R Ford Presidential Library show that US officials devised plans to attack ports and military installations in Cuba in addition to measures ordered by Mr Kissinger to deploy Marine battalions based at the US Navy base at Guantanamo Bay to "clobber" the Cubans.

https://www.bbc.com/news/29441281

So, you think that the anti-Castro Cubans might have had a beef with Kissinger? Really!!!?

Please explain the logic of this idea that you have…