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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2021, 08:28:59 PM »
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Imagine the FBI being interested and asked to assist in the investigation of the murder of the President!  Shocking.  It can only mean a conspiracy.  I guess there are no other examples in law enforcement history where the FBI has rendered assistance to local law enforcement agencies in investigating crimes over which they have no direct jurisdiction.  Or this would be an entirely idiotic claim to raise.  Of course, the FBI has expertise that they often share with local law enforcement agencies even for crimes over which the FBI has no direct jurisdiction.  "Jurisdiction" is over who has ultimate legal responsibility to prosecute someone for the crime.  It does not exclude the FBI or anyone from assisting in the investigation.  To even imply that this is somehow sinister or unique is laughable.  This is as tired a rehash as the "red rings" discussion.  Find some new material or get a new hobby.  Maybe UFOs.

The question is:   How many 6.5 mm shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63??

That's not a difficult question....

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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2021, 08:28:59 PM »


Online Charles Collins

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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2021, 11:56:45 PM »
The question is:   How many 6.5 mm shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63??

That's not a difficult question....

Define what you mean by “in evidence.” I think that it typically refers to the proceedings of a court of law in which items are entered into evidence by following the applicable rules of evidence. And on the evening of 11/22/63 the case was under investigation and far from the point in time when evidence would have been entered into the court records. So your question makes no sense. I object, and think that you need to rephrase the question…

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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2021, 01:32:40 AM »
Define what you mean by “in evidence.” I think that it typically refers to the proceedings of a court of law in which items are entered into evidence by following the applicable rules of evidence. And on the evening of 11/22/63 the case was under investigation and far from the point in time when evidence would have been entered into the court records. So your question makes no sense. I object, and think that you need to rephrase the question…

Don't be so stupid!.... You know very well what is meant by evidence.  How many spent 6.5 shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?

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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2021, 01:32:40 AM »


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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2021, 01:39:17 AM »
Don't be so stupid!.... You know very well what is meant by evidence.  How many spent 6.5 shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?

Define “in evidence.” WTF are you asking exactly?

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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2021, 05:06:16 AM »
Only two spent shells were handed over to the FBI at that time.  Fritz supposedly kept one in his office for "comparison tests".  But he didn't tell that story until June, 1964.

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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2021, 05:06:16 AM »


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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2021, 08:35:17 PM »
Only two spent shells were handed over to the FBI at that time.  Fritz supposedly kept one in his office for "comparison tests".  But he didn't tell that story until June, 1964.

Only two spent shells were handed over to the FBI at that time.

Thank you for the candid answer.  And by the definition of "at that time" you're referring to "on the evening of 11/22/63, isn't that correct?.   

There are many photos that were taken on 11/22/63 which  show that there were only two spent shells.  A copy of an evidence  photo that we've all seen, and is well known, shows the blanket at the right side of the photo, the 38 caliber S&W revolver in the center of the photo and a large brown paper bag stretching across the middle of the photo .  In the lower left corner there is TWO spent rifle shells lying on the evidence envelope in which they had been placed in when they were found beneath the SE corner window. ( the top of the evidence envelope has been torn off and there is some faint writing on the envelope) 

I believe that every intelligent and alert researcher has seen this evidence photo. It is printed on page 88 of DPD Chief Jesse  Curry's book  " JFK Assassination File" And Curry  has labeled the TWO spent shells as item #1 in the photo. He identifies item #1 as " TWO 6.5mm Mannlicher Carcano cartridge cases found in the book depository building "

The original evidence list that was created to verify the evidence that was being released  to the FBI at midnight 11/22/63. listed item number nine on the list is; ---Quote--" 6.5 spent rounds (2)-- unquote

Although there is no date on the evidence list, this  listing is verification that the list was created on the evening of 11/22/63.

Item # 14 on this original list lists the so called "palm print" as one of the items being released to the FBI.

Item #14 says...quote ---  1  Partial palm print "off underside gun barrel near end of foregrip" on rifle c2766  ---unquote

What more proof do you need to understand that the so called "palm print" was in fact turned over to the FBI at midnight 11/22/63 ???

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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2021, 09:40:05 PM »
Only two spent shells were handed over to the FBI at that time.

Thank you for the candid answer.  And by the definition of "at that time" you're referring to "on the evening of 11/22/63, isn't that correct?.   

There are many photos that were taken on 11/22/63 which  show that there were only two spent shells.  A copy of an evidence  photo that we've all seen, and is well known, shows the blanket at the right side of the photo, the 38 caliber S&W revolver in the center of the photo and a large brown paper bag stretching across the middle of the photo .  In the lower left corner there is TWO spent rifle shells lying on the evidence envelope in which they had been placed in when they were found beneath the SE corner window. ( the top of the evidence envelope has been torn off and there is some faint writing on the envelope) 

I believe that every intelligent and alert researcher has seen this evidence photo. It is printed on page 88 of DPD Chief Jesse  Curry's book  " JFK Assassination File" And Curry  has labeled the TWO spent shells as item #1 in the photo. He identifies item #1 as " TWO 6.5mm Mannlicher Carcano cartridge cases found in the book depository building "

The original evidence list that was created to verify the evidence that was being released  to the FBI at midnight 11/22/63. listed item number nine on the list is; ---Quote--" 6.5 spent rounds (2)-- unquote

Although there is no date on the evidence list, this  listing is verification that the list was created on the evening of 11/22/63.

Item # 14 on this original list lists the so called "palm print" as one of the items being released to the FBI.

Item #14 says...quote ---  1  Partial palm print "off underside gun barrel near end of foregrip" on rifle c2766  ---unquote

What more proof do you need to understand that the so called "palm print" was in fact turned over to the FBI at midnight 11/22/63 ???


Although there is no date on the evidence list, this  listing is verification that the list was created on the evening of 11/22/63.

Verification would be something more than your opinion that because a list exists means that it was created on a specific date.

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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2021, 01:54:44 AM »
Only two spent shells were handed over to the FBI at that time.

Thank you for the candid answer.  And by the definition of "at that time" you're referring to "on the evening of 11/22/63, isn't that correct?.

Yes, and all the way up to the 27th. 

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Although there is no date on the evidence list, this  listing is verification that the list was created on the evening of 11/22/63.

No, it's not verification at all.  You don't know when that list was created, or for what purpose.

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What more proof do you need to understand that the so called "palm print" was in fact turned over to the FBI at midnight 11/22/63 ???

Actual evidence rather than a Walt assumption and story.