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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: The Dead-Letter Package
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2021, 08:35:43 PM »
I don't know when it was sent.  No one does.   All we can do is apply logic and inference to the situation.  Maybe there is some reason for Oswald to have sent it but I can't think of anything that makes sense.  Oswald already knew the FBI was watching him and aware of his families presence at the Paine home.  He apparently didn't care whether they knew he was receiving commie literature in the mail.  There is certainly no obvious reason for any conspirator to have done this.  It seems pointless.  If it is pointless, then that means Oswald or a conspirator likely didn't do it. That leaves some type of hoax.  I don't rule out that Oswald had some reason that isn't apparent, though.  He was a nut who read spy novels.

The LHO-Did-It part of you wants this to be Mr Oswald's doing; the LNer in you worries about the time factor (foreknowledge of motorcade route). So you play it down, without however being able to explain it away.

Make no mistake: IF this handwriting is Mr Oswald's, then we would appear to have him sending a bag made of heavy brown paper to himself at a fake address. Given subsequent events & allegations, one need hardly spell out why this would be of potentially huge significance

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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2021, 08:35:43 PM »

Online Richard Smith

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Re: The Dead-Letter Package
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2021, 09:58:31 PM »
The LHO-Did-It part of you wants this to be Mr Oswald's doing; the LNer in you worries about the time factor (foreknowledge of motorcade route). So you play it down, without however being able to explain it away.

Make no mistake: IF this handwriting is Mr Oswald's, then we would appear to have him sending a bag made of heavy brown paper to himself at a fake address. Given subsequent events & allegations, one need hardly spell out why this would be of potentially huge significance

I actually expressed skepticism that Oswald did this as there seemed no point.  I don't see how this package moves the needle from either a LN or CT perspective.  There is no obvious reason for anyone to send a package to a nonexistent address.  What significance do you attribute to it?  Why put anything inside the package at all if the purpose was some attempt to determine if his mail was being monitored?  The bag inside was too short for his rifle or even your imaginary curtain rods.  And Oswald already knew the FBI was aware of his connection to the Paine home.  They had even been there.  The handwriting does look similar to his but absent any reasonable explanation for Oswald doing this (and you have provided none) that leaves the possibility someone did it as a hoax after the assassination.

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Re: The Dead-Letter Package
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2021, 12:19:51 AM »
I actually expressed skepticism that Oswald did this as there seemed no point.  I don't see how this package moves the needle from either a LN or CT perspective.  There is no obvious reason for anyone to send a package to a nonexistent address.  What significance do you attribute to it?  Why put anything inside the package at all if the purpose was some attempt to determine if his mail was being monitored?

To see if a bulky package addressed to him @ a non-existent address would result in a notification at the Paine home. A test of whether he could post another, rifle-sized heavy brown paper bag without that being flagged to the authorities so close to the Presidential visit

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The bag inside was too short for his rifle

So? If it was a dry run, then that's immaterial

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or even your imaginary curtain rods.

Off-topic, but I'll bite: there's nothing imaginary about the two curtain rods submitted for testing for Mr Oswald's fingerprints 8 days before two curtain rods were taken from the Paine garage. The only thing imaginary is the idea that you and your friends have offered a rational explanation for this documented fact

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And Oswald already knew the FBI was aware of his connection to the Paine home.  They had even been there.

So what? The dry run I am postulating would have been to see if the authorities would take notice of a bulky parcel with his name on it

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The handwriting does look similar to his but absent any reasonable explanation for Oswald doing this (and you have provided none) that leaves the possibility someone did it as a hoax after the assassination.

Well then you have a random hoaxer who knows to write in a handwriting style that will fool seasoned researchers for many years to come. Is that a reasonable explanation?

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Online Richard Smith

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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2021, 01:36:52 AM »
To see if a bulky package addressed to him @ a non-existent address would result in a notification at the Paine home. A test of whether he could post another, rifle-sized heavy brown paper bag without that being flagged to the authorities so close to the Presidential visit



Oswald puts his own name on a package that he addresses to a non-existent address to determine if doing so will trigger a notification to the Paine home?  Why would he care?  If he was concerned about the authorities monitoring his mail and finding a large brown paper bag in a package associated with him, why test that theory by sending a package with a large brown paper bag in it.  That makes no sense. 

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Re: The Dead-Letter Package
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2021, 08:21:57 AM »
Oswald puts his own name on a package that he addresses to a non-existent address to determine if doing so will trigger a notification to the Paine home?  Why would he care?  If he was concerned about the authorities monitoring his mail and finding a large brown paper bag in a package associated with him, why test that theory by sending a package with a large brown paper bag in it.

This is precisely what would explain the use of an 18" bag: he is concerned about the authorities monitoring his mail and finding an eyebrow-raising rifle-length brown paper bag in a package associated with him, so he safely tests that theory by sending a bulky package with a non-eyebrow-raising non-rifle-length brown paper bag in it

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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2021, 07:56:17 PM »
This is precisely what would explain the use of an 18" bag: he is concerned about the authorities monitoring his mail and finding an eyebrow-raising rifle-length brown paper bag in a package associated with him, so he safely tests that theory by sending a bulky package with a non-eyebrow-raising non-rifle-length brown paper bag in it

My head is spinning.  Oswald is concerned about someone monitoring his mail to discover a large paper bag.  And he tests this by sending a smaller brown paper bag to a non-existent address?  Even if someone discovered a large bag in his mail - so what?  Why would they conclude it was going to be used to carry a rifle to assassinate the president?  All of this when he has the obvious solution of just taking the bag there himself when he goes (which he did)?  Why mail it?

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Re: The Dead-Letter Package
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2021, 10:44:47 PM »
My head is spinning.

Well that's not saying much, is it Mr Smith? Your head spins at even the minutest deviation from the Warren Report bedtime story.

My head is still spinning by your idea that a random hoaxer was in a position to write Mr Oswald's name and the fake 'West Nassaus' address in a convincing imitation of Mr Oswald's own style of handwriting. Like I say, if it weren't for the timeline implications (foreknowledge of motorcade route) you would not be putting forward such a silly explanation

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Oswald is concerned about someone monitoring his mail to discover a large paper bag. And he tests this by sending a smaller brown paper bag to a non-existent address?

Yes. To see if it finds its way nevertheless to the Paine residence

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Even if someone discovered a large bag in his mail - so what?  Why would they conclude it was going to be used to carry a rifle to assassinate the president?

Mr Oswald is paranoid about surveillance. With JFK coming to town, he fears that an odd parcel containing a long (rifle-length) paper bag could easily raise suspicion with the authorities. He is being extra careful

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All of this when he has the obvious solution of just taking the bag there himself when he goes (which he did)?

Really? Where on his person was it when he travelled back to Irving with Mr Frazier on the Thursday pm?

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Why mail it?

He doesn't want a fellow employee to see him taking (i.e. stealing) TSBD property home from work--------------especially not when said employee will be seeing the same paper bag the following morning and being given to understand that such was needed to carry mere curtain rods. Much cleaner to have the bag there waiting for him when he arrives at the Paine home on Thursday pm.

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Re: The Dead-Letter Package
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2021, 01:20:46 AM »
Guys...there is another possibility--- Someone wanted Oswald's hand prints on a paper bag.
 A palm print and/or index finger print will do.

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Re: The Dead-Letter Package
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2021, 02:21:05 AM »
Guys...there is another possibility--- Someone wanted Oswald's hand prints on a paper bag.
 A palm print and/or index finger print will do.

Yes, Mr Freeman, this has been a favored explanation amongst CTers. It seems to me however to be attended by at least three problems:

1. Why an 18" bag? (Was the original plan to have Mr Oswald framed for, at least, supplying a shorter weapon---------of the type seen by Ms Carolyn Walther? Or was it to take the paper from the 18" bag----------with Mr Oswald's prints now on it-----------and tape it together with more paper to form a rifle-sized bag?)

2. Why not just send the parcel to the correct address (Paine home)?

3. Wouldn't it have been much easier to just get Mr Oswald to handle paper at the Depository?

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: The Dead-Letter Package
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2021, 04:38:38 AM »

1.     Or was it to take the paper from the 18" bag----------with Mr Oswald's prints now on it-----------and tape it together with more paper to form a rifle-sized bag?)
There you go.

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2. Why not just send the parcel to the correct address (Paine home)?
Mystery

 
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3. Wouldn't it have been much easier to just get Mr Oswald to handle paper at the Depository?
The paper would have to be re-handled and fabricated [as it seems it was anyway] complete with telltale fibers.
There was this disgusting revelation of certain hairs analyzed and traced to LHO on the surface of a blanket.
 They apparently did not make it to the confines of the paper bag so why mention it?



Notice that the bag is partially laying on subject blanket. Can we say contaminated evidence?

 

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