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Online Andrew Mason

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Re: 3D Modeling
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2021, 02:03:50 AM »
Well, there seems to be an awful lot of evidence that the first shot struck JFK. The large body of consistent witness recollections of the 1.......2...3 shot spacing with the last two shots in rapid succession in itself is inconsistent with a first shot miss. And there are at least 22 witnesses who said it struck JFK.  There is no evidence at all to contradict the Connally's evidence that JBC was struck on the second shot   The second shot striking JBC is corroborated by several witnesses: Dave Powers, Gayle Newman, Wm. Greer, and George Hickey. We can see the damage of the third shot. So what evidence is there of a missed shot? Start with evidence that contradicts the evidence that the first shot struck JFK. 
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Re: 3D Modeling
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2021, 03:57:13 AM »
Well, there seems to be an awful lot of evidence that the first shot struck JFK. The large body of consistent witness recollections of the 1.......2...3 shot spacing with the last two shots in rapid succession in itself is inconsistent with a first shot miss. And there are at least 22 witnesses who said it struck JFK.  There is no evidence at all to contradict the Connally's evidence that JBC was struck on the second shot   The second shot striking JBC is corroborated by several witnesses: Dave Powers, Gayle Newman, Wm. Greer, and George Hickey. We can see the damage of the third shot. So what evidence is there of a missed shot? Start with evidence that contradicts the evidence that the first shot struck JFK.

The second shot striking JBC is corroborated by several witnesses: Dave Powers, Gayle Newman, Wm. Greer, and George Hickey
_Then they were obviously eyeballing the guv, not Kennedy, when the womanizer was busy ducking Jackie's punches and being struck by cs399 at supersonic speed

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Re: 3D Modeling
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2021, 06:03:07 PM »
The second shot striking JBC is corroborated by several witnesses: Dave Powers, Gayle Newman, Wm. Greer, and George Hickey
_Then they were obviously eyeballing the guv, not Kennedy, when the womanizer was busy ducking Jackie's punches and being struck by cs399 at supersonic speed
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As far as the witnesses who provided corroboration that the second shot struck JBC in the back:

  • Powers was directly behind both men and after JFK moved left he said he was able to see both.  He said could see JBC until just after the second shot when JBC disappeared from his view. JBC would only have disappeared from his view when he fell back onto Nellie.
  • The car had just passed Gayle and William Newman so both men were within their field of vision.
  • Wm. Greer turned around for the first time immediately after (almost simultaneous with) the second shot and saw Connally falling back onto his wife. So Greer wasn't watching either until he turned around.  He turns from z280 or some time just before z280 until z284.
  • George Hickey was watching JFK.  He did not see JBC hit by the shot.  What he said he observed was simply that the hair on the right side of JFK's head flew up when the second shot sounded so it seemed to just miss his head. If it just missed his head, it could not have missed the car.  JFK's hair flies up on the right side from z273-276.

We don't need JBC to say that JFK reacted to the first shot.  There are 60+ witnesses, including Nellie, who provided evidence that JFK was struck by the first shot.  The question is whether JBC was struck in the back by the second. Both Nellie Connally and Governor Connally said that JBC was not hit in the back on the first shot. JBC said he felt the forceful impact of the bullet that struck him in the back well after he heard the first shot.   Nellie said she watched JFK reacting to his neck wound before the second shot that struck her husband. That is the primary evidence that JBC was hit on the second shot.
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Re: 3D Modeling
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2021, 01:10:38 AM »
If Mr Andrew Mason is correct then 3 shots were fired in about 4.8 secs.

It matches well with Harold Norman’s (closest ear witness to the shooter ) boom clack clack spacing.

There has been suggestion made that the “clack clack” noise may be the “clink clink” noise of shells bouncing rather than manual bolt operation.

If so then a semi auto rifle such as an FN-FAL with larger scope centrally mounted , could have been the rifle used.

Such rifle seen by Arnold Rowland from distance when shooter was at SW window at 12;15 , could have been mistaken as an 30.06 hunting rifle much more probably than the MC rifle with scope mounted to side.

The FN-FALcould  be disassembled (barrel removed from receiver )such that both parts could be Possibly hidden  under a jacket . Or brought into the building in a 24” length package?

The shooter would need an accomplice to help use the East elevator to descend to the 2nd floor and exit out into storage room at approximately 45sec post shots

(Note: this possibly resolves the Mrs Garner by the 4th floor staircase and Adams and Styles descending staircase not seeing anyone on the staircase.)

Accomplice returns elevator to 5th floor and locks it there by 60sec post shots,

(Note: elevator travel speed approx 5 sec per floor based on WC testimony of approx 30 sec time to travel from
1st floor to 6th floor.)

The rifle could be temporarily hidden in the storage room or lunchroom just before Baker/Truly reach 2nd floor landing approx 85-90 sec post shots.

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Re: 3D Modeling
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2021, 02:36:59 PM »
If Mr Andrew Mason is correct then 3 shots were fired in about 4.8 secs.

It matches well with Harold Norman’s (closest ear witness to the shooter ) boom clack clack spacing.

There has been suggestion made that the “clack clack” noise may be the “clink clink” noise of shells bouncing rather than manual bolt operation.

If so then a semi auto rifle such as an FN-FAL with larger scope centrally mounted , could have been the rifle used.

Such rifle seen by Arnold Rowland from distance when shooter was at SW window at 12;15 , could have been mistaken as an 30.06 hunting rifle much more probably than the MC rifle with scope mounted to side.

Norman heard a rifle being fired at the SE corner.

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The FN.-FALcould  be disassembled (barrel removed from receiver )such that both parts could be Possibly hidden  under a jacket . Or brought into the building in a 24” length package?

The shooter would need an accomplice to help use the East elevator to descend to the 2nd floor and exit out into storage room at approximately 45sec post shots

(Note: this possibly resolves the Mrs Garner by the 4th floor staircase and Adams and Styles descending staircase not seeing anyone on the staircase.)

Accomplice returns elevator to 5th floor and locks it there by 60sec post shots,

(Note: elevator travel speed approx 5 sec per floor based on WC testimony of approx 30 sec time to travel from
1st floor to 6th floor.)

You're not allowing for the 10-15 seconds to open/close the gate door. Did the elevator instantly begin to travel or was there an initial lag?

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The rifle could be temporarily hidden in the storage room or lunchroom just before Baker/Truly reach 2nd floor landing approx 85-90 sec post shots.

Who hid the 6.5 mm Carcano on the sixth floor? It would have a different caliber bullet that the 30.06 bullets fired by the "conspirators".

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Re: 3D Modeling
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2021, 07:54:20 AM »
The questions about the why, when and how an MC rifle with useless scope was placed on the 6th floor, are I must admit, problematic to resolve as part of a CT theory.

As for the man with rifle at the SW window per Arnold Rowland, that’s at 12:15, then he is not seen again by Rowland. So this gunman moved to the SE window by not later than 12;24 so as to have time to put the box in the window before it’s recorded in the Bronson film approx 12:25.

So it’s probable that the black man that Rowland saw in the SE window at
12:15 was BRW who leaves that window by at least not later than about 12:23.

So a heory of a shooter with semi auto rifle at SW who is the same who moves to the SE window would be supported by Norman hearing only 3 shots from that SE window and not any other more distance noise  by a second shooter at the SW window.

If the operation of the East elevator gate and slowing elevator  adds 15 secs = 75 secs total time it’s still possible that TrulyBaker arriving at 70-75 sec to the elevators at ground floor would not perceive East elevator had been in operation a few seconds prior.

There might be a ? about if the cables were visible and If any lateral swaying occurs for a few seconds after and elevator cab has traveled 3 floors upwards.






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Re: 3D Modeling
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2021, 05:51:04 PM »
The questions about the why, when and how an MC rifle with useless scope was placed on the 6th floor, are I must admit, problematic to resolve as part of a CT theory.

As for the man with rifle at the SW window per Arnold Rowland, that’s at 12:15, then he is not seen again by Rowland.

There are problems with Rowlands' credibility and the "detail" he seemed to invent. Maybe Rowland thought more detail would increase believabilty in his stories.



Arnold Rowland was 250 or more feet away from the window he claimed he could see a figure's scar and "well-combed" dark hair. Also where were the "three women" on the Underpass he claimed he saw?

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So this gunman moved to the SE window by not later than 12;24 so as to have time to put the box in the window before it’s recorded in the Bronson film approx 12:25.

Isn't Rowland scanning the upper floors at that time?

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So it’s probable that the black man that Rowland saw in the SE window at
12:15 was BRW who leaves that window by at least not later than about 12:23.

Could be BRW in the set of windows next to the Sniper's Nest. Could be Dougherty at the SW window with a piece of board and not a rifle.

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So a heory of a shooter with semi auto rifle at SW who is the same who moves to the SE window would be supported by Norman hearing only 3 shots from that SE window and not any other more distance noise  by a second shooter at the SW window.

If the operation of the East elevator gate and slowing elevator  adds 15 secs = 75 secs total time it’s still possible that TrulyBaker arriving at 70-75 sec to the elevators at ground floor would not perceive East elevator had been in operation a few seconds prior.

There might be a ? about if the cables were visible and If any lateral swaying occurs for a few seconds after and elevator cab has traveled 3 floors upwards.

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Re: 3D Modeling
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2022, 03:09:29 AM »
Marina testified that she saw him practicing with it.

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