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Offline Michael O'Brian

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Re: Windows facing Dal Tex for inspection
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2018, 08:15:21 PM »
    If you look at photos of the sniper's nest taken the day of the assassination, (boxes in place), the bricks running down to the bottom of the window ledge are Not Chipped/Crumbling. The damage we are seeing on the bricks occurred at some point After 11/22/63.

Yes thanks for that Royell I noticed this, just wondering why or how that damage got there.

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Re: Windows facing Dal Tex for inspection
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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Windows facing Dal Tex for inspection
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2018, 10:01:01 PM »
I assume he heard the rifle as it fired and that the rifle moved a modest amount. I don't think he needed to explain that to police or the WC.

"I was looking at the man in this window at the time of the last explosion."

But he didn't say that the rifle moved.  He said he saw no recoil.  So it was just an assumption that the noise he heard came from the rifle he supposedly saw.

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Re: Windows facing Dal Tex for inspection
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2018, 10:45:02 PM »
But he didn't say that the rifle moved.  He said he saw no recoil.  So it was just an assumption that the noise he heard came from the rifle he supposedly saw.

Maybe he thought they meant a substantial movement when they asked about a recoil, rather than some little momentary bounce he might have seen. Is there any other place than this WC exchange where Brennan says he didn't see the rifle fired?

His affidavit says he did and he has said so, I believe, in several interviews.

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Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: Windows facing Dal Tex for inspection
« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2018, 10:08:51 AM »
 Brennan states the same thing four different times to four different interviewers. Three of them on 11/22.


Brennan Sheriffs Affidavit 11/22:


"I then saw this man I have described in the window and he was taking aim with a high powered rifle. I could see all of the barrel of the gun. I do not know if it had a scope on it or not. I was looking at the man in this window at the time of the last explosion. "

 "Then this man let the gun down to his side and stepped down out of sight. He did not seem to be in any hurry. "


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FBI Affidavit 11/22:


"The man he observed in the window had what appeared to be a "heavy" rifle in his hands. He could not tell whether or not this rifle had a telescopic sight, as the rifle was protruding only about half its length outside the window. He was positive that after he had observed this man in the window, he saw this person take "deliberate aim" and fire a shot. He then observed this person take the rifle from his shoulder and hold it by the barrel of the rifle, as if he were resting the but of the rifle on the floor. He said this individual observed the scene on the street below, momentarily, and then stepped back from the window"


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Brennan 11/23 Dallas Morning News by Kent Biffle.


"After the first shot, I looked up and saw him. The gun was sticking out the window. I saw him fire a second time."

He was a slender guy, a nice looking guy. He didn't seem to ne in no hurry," said Brennan
 

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Once again Brennan states he seen the rifle fired on 1/7/64 in an FBI Report.


"The car passed out of sight and shortly thereafter, he heard one shot, which he first believed to have been a firecracker, and he immediately looked toward the TSBD building and saw a man on the sixth floor in the same window, near the southeast corner of the building, and noticed that this man took deliberate aim and shot the rifle again. "

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Re: Windows facing Dal Tex for inspection
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2018, 05:14:37 PM »
Brennan states the same thing four different times to four different interviewers. Three of them on 11/22.

Those aren't the same at all.  First he says he saw all of the barrel and just says he was looking at the man, not that he saw him fire.  Then he says the rifle was protruding half its length and he saw the shot fired.  3 of those quotes indicate that he saw the second shot fired and doesn't mention a third shot at all.  But as long as Brennan is visible in the Z film (long after the alleged missed first shot) he is looking at the motorcade.

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Re: Windows facing Dal Tex for inspection
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2018, 09:57:05 AM »
He is looking at the man, the man has a rifle, Brennan notes the explosion but he doesn't see him fire the rifle?   Brennan immediately tells the police where the shots came from but he doesn't see him fire the rifle?
 
OK, I must be missing the logic in that reasoning.


Actually Brennan was correct on both accounts. Unlike a sporting rifle, a militay rifle like the carcano  rifle has a hand guard which only exposes part of the total barrel. Brennan states he seen 1/2 of the rifle which he did but he also stated he seen the entire barrel which he did. He seen the entire portion of the barrel that was not covered by the handguard and 1/2 of the rifle would be the barrel portion up to the receiver.


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The reason Brennan does not mention a third shot is because two shots total is all Brennan stated he heard. What is also constant in all four of Brennan's different statements is he noted the shooter was in no hurry and definitely was not in a frenzy to fire the rifle three times in the 5 second time frame. That in itself explains why there were so many eyewitnesses who stated they heard only two shots.

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Re: Windows facing Dal Tex for inspection
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2018, 05:15:16 PM »

 Michael, it is not my first post. I had never seen that picture before. Just thought it looked funny. Got some questions for you. Was the window of the TSBD facing the Dal- Tex open so the shooter

could shoot through it and the snipers nest window of the TSBD?  Wouldn't the person in the window that Brennan seen and the nest of boxes make it harder for the shooter in the Dal-Tex to find

and hit his target?

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Re: Windows facing Dal Tex for inspection
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2018, 11:16:16 PM »
He is looking at the man, the man has a rifle, Brennan notes the explosion but he doesn't see him fire the rifle?

Just because you hear a noise and see an object doesn't mean the noise came from the object.

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Actually Brennan was correct on both accounts. Unlike a sporting rifle, a militay rifle like the carcano  rifle has a hand guard which only exposes part of the total barrel. Brennan states he seen 1/2 of the rifle which he did but he also stated he seen the entire barrel which he did. He seen the entire portion of the barrel that was not covered by the handguard and 1/2 of the rifle would be the barrel portion up to the receiver.

He didn't say he saw half of the rifle.  He said that half its length was protruding outside the window.  He said he saw 70-85 percent of the rifle.  But somehow didn't see a scope.

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The reason Brennan does not mention a third shot is because two shots total is all Brennan stated he heard. What is also constant in all four of Brennan's different statements is he noted the shooter was in no hurry and definitely was not in a frenzy to fire the rifle three times in the 5 second time frame. That in itself explains why there were so many eyewitnesses who stated they heard only two shots.

Fair enough.  There's really no evidence for the alleged "first missed shot".  But I'm still trying to figure out how Brennan saw the gunman shoot the head shot and saw JFK's head explode from where he was sitting.

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Re: Windows facing Dal Tex for inspection
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2018, 03:48:00 PM »
Brennan tells a number of detectives and news reporters he seen the rifle fired. Brennan was sure enough that the rifle was fired from the 6th floor window to direct the police to it and feel they were running in the wrong direction.

Mr. BRENNAN. I observed to my thinking that they were directing their search towards the west side of the building and down Houston Street.
Mr. BELIN. When you say "they", who do you mean?
Mr. BRENNAN. Law-enforcement officers.
Mr. BELIN. By the west side of the building, you mean towards the underpass or railroad tracks?
Mr. BRENNAN. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. After you saw that, what did you do?
Mr. BRENNAN. I knew I had to get to someone quick to tell them where the man was. So I ran or I walked--there is a possibility I ran, because I have a habit of, when something has to be done in a hurry, I run. And there was one officer standing at the corner of the Texas Book Store on the street. It didn't seem to me he was going in any direction. He was standing still.
Mr. BELIN. What did you do or what did you say to him?
Mr. BRENNAN. I asked him to get me someone in charge, a Secret Service man or an FBI. That it appeared to me that they were searching in the wrong direction for the man that did the shooting.
And he was definitely in the building on the sixth floor.
I did not say on the sixth floor. Correction there.
I believe I identified the window as one window from the top.

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Mr. DULLES. Did you give any estimate was it a matter of 5 minutes, 6 minutes, 7 minutes? In general, how long did it take you from the time that you left where you were protecting yourself to the time you were on the front steps? What order of magnitude? 10 minutes?
Mr. BRENNAN. No; it was a shorter time than that.
I talked to Mr. Sorrels--I believe it was Mr. Sorrels--and the Secret Service men there I don't believe I talked to them more than 3 to 5 minutes.
Mr. McCLOY. But you had prior to that time talked to the police officer?

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Mr. DULLES. Could you see who or what he was aiming at? You testified as to the declination of the rifle, the angle of the rifle. But could you see what he was firing at?
Mr. BRENNAN. Subconsciously I knew what he was firing at. But immediately I looked towards where President Kennedy's car should be, and there was something obstructing my view. I could not see the President or his car at that time.
And I still don't know what was obstructing my view, because I was high enough that I should have been able to see it. I could not see it.


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Brennan's description of "deliberate aim" and not recalling there being a scope would likely indicate the scope was not used by the shooter. Why he estimates 75% after all the other descriptions is anybodies guess. A more reasonable explanation is the scope was obscured by the window frame. If he only sees 1/2 the rifle protruding  out of the window, he would not have seen the scope.


Sheriif Affidavit  11/22
I then saw this man I have described in the window and he was taking aim with a high powered rifle. I could see all of the barrel of the gun. I do not know if it had a scope on it or not. I was looking at the man in this window at the time of the last explosion.

FBI Affidavit  11/22

The man he observed in the window had what appeared to be a "heavy" rifle in his hands. He could not tell whether or not this rifle had a telescopic sight, as the rifle was protruding only about half its length outside the window. He was positive that after he had observed this man in the window, he saw this person take "deliberate aim" and fire a shot.

Dallas Morning News 11/23 y Biffle

No mention of a description of the gun.

FBI Affidavit 1/7/64

 and he immediately looked toward the TSBD building and saw a man on the sixth floor in the same window, near the southeast corner of the building, and noticed that this man took deliberate aim and shot the rifle again. When he saw the man shoot the rifle this time

WC Testimony

Mr. BELIN. Then what did you observe or hear?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, then something, just right after this explosion, made me think that it was a firecracker being thrown from the Texas Book Store. And I glanced up. And this man that I saw previous was aiming for his last shot.
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Mr. BELIN. Would you describe just exactly what you saw when you saw him this last time?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, as it appeared to me he was standing up and resting against the left window sill, with gun shouldered to this right shoulder, holding the gun with his left hand and taking positive aim and fired his last shot.


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Did Brennan state he seen the president shot? All I am aware of is this statement.


Mr. DULLES. Could you see who or what he was aiming at? You testified as to the declination of the rifle, the angle of the rifle. But could you see what he was firing at?
Mr. BRENNAN. Subconsciously I knew what he was firing at. But immediately I looked towards where President Kennedy's car should be, and there was something obstructing my view. I could not see the President or his car at that time.
And I still don't know what was obstructing my view, because I was high enough that I should have been able to see it. I could not see it.

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Re: Windows facing Dal Tex for inspection
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Offline John Anderson

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Re: Windows facing Dal Tex for inspection
« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2018, 03:44:59 AM »
I've cracked it. Oswald was hanging out the window with a rifle when someone else shot Kennedy.  ;D

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