The lapel flip -- what did i miss?

[Royell Storing]

A plot (conspiracy) is not the same as a cover up.
The Hickey shots were not intentional (intentional would be conspiracy).

   Acting in concert is a Conspiracy. Your "not intentional" vs "intentional" has nothing to do with determining a possible Conspiracy.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

   Acting in concert is a Conspiracy. Your "not intentional" vs "intentional" has nothing to do with determining a possible Conspiracy.

If a senior SSAgent destroys a doc to hide Hickey's negligent homicide then that is illegal but aint necessarily a conspiracy.
If everyone in Queen Mary lies (ten ovem), then that aint necessarily a conspiracy.

[Tom Graves]

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Why did Hickey lean over and start looking at the pavement around Z-150?

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Why did Hickey lean over and start looking at the pavement around Z-150?

Koz of Oswald's shot at pseudo Z105-110.
Hickey woz looking at tyres.

[Andrew Mason]

   I do Not know what Hickey might be doing. I am curious why SA Hickey is sitting so much higher than everyone else inside the Queen Mary. He has to be sitting on top of something. Maybe something connected to that AR15 on the floorboard?

Hickey was always partially sitting/standing.  Here is his position on Houston:



It looks like he has his back pressed on the seat back. It looks like he is about 1 head higher than Glen Bennett to his right, who appears to be seated.  I don't see any change in that position in the zfilm.

We see him in Altgens 6 turned around and perhaps a bit higher than before.  To turn to the rear, he had to partially stand and turn around, perhaps putting a knee on the seat bottom. Hickey said (18 H 765): "As 100-X made the turn and proceeded a short distance I heard what seemed to me that a firecracker exploded to the right and rear. I stood partially up and turned to the rear to see if I could observe anything".

[Royell Storing]

  Just look at the Zapruder footage of the JFK Limo coming down Elm St. SA Hickey is consistently much higher than everyone else inside the Queen Mary. The Hickey standing stuff for the entire journey throughout Dallas doesn't fly. Plus, the AR15 was on the floorboard in front of Hickey. There was not a lot of room at the feet of Hickey to be popping up-n-down. 

[Jack Nessan]

Of course.  I never said otherwise.  I said he accepts that there were three shots. You think that's weird. I don't.I am saying that the evidence puts the second shot at a point after Altgens' #6 photo at z255 and before JBC begins falling back which starts about z278. It was enough after z255 so that the interval between the second and third shots was noticeably shorter than the interval between the first and second.  The first struck JFK in the back and exited his throat.  I say that the evidence puts it between z190 and z200 not at z223. You see him jumping off?  I don't quite understand how you get 30 feet but it is not far off.  The separation Hill-handhold is 14 feet.  In 1.65 seconds at 8 mph (11.7 fps) the car moves 19 feet.  So in 1.65 seconds he has to cover 19+14 feet.  So his average speed is 33 ft/1.65 sec. = 20 fps= 13.6 mph.  That has to be his average speed from the time he jumps off until he reaches the car. 

Have you ever tried jumping off a car moving at 8 mph and trying to out-run it?  I haven't but if you have please relate to us how long it took for you to get up to a speed of running faster than the car.
The 10 m split time for Usain Bolt in his 2009 world record 100 m of 9.58 sec. was 1.85 sec. 10 m is 32 feet.  So you think Clint Hill, wearing a suit and street shoes could beat Usain Bolt at his prime?  You seem to be saying he did.
You are reading things into Kinney's statement.  Your interpretation of what Kinney meant does not fit with his interviews with Gerald Blaine. In his book "The Kennedy Detail", chapter 12 - Six Seconds in Dallas, author Gerald Blaine says this:

• "Follow-up car driver Sam Kinney’s responsibility was to maintain his focus
  on the president’s car. He saw Kennedy’s reaction to the first shot and then saw
  Clint leap onto the pavement a split second later. He immediately turned the
  follow-up car slightly to the right to clear a path for Clint to reach the president
  and first lady. His eyes were still focused on President Kennedy when he heard
  the second shot and saw Governor Connally slump toward his wife".

Except that Hickey said the flying hair on the right side of JFK's head was on the second shot and it appeared not to have hit JFK.  He saw the third shot hit JFK in the head.  See: Hickey,  18 H 762 (statement 30Nov63).

• At the moment he was almost sitting erect I heard two reports which I thought were shots and that appeared to me completely different in sound than the first report and were in such rapid succession that there seemed to be practically no time element between them. It looked to me as if the President was struck in the right upper rear of his head. The first shot of the second two seemed as if it missed because the hair on the right side of his head flew forward and there didn't seem to be any impact against his head. The last shot seemed to hit his head and cause a noise at the point of impact which made him fall forward and to his left again.

What is interesting to note, though, about Hickey is that JFK's hair actually does fly up and back down just as he described - at z273-278:

which is immediately before JBC starts sailing forward and falling back onto Nellie...

You see him jumping off?   

Yes, not only can you see Hill jump off the car in the Muchmore film. SA Hill jumps off close to the headshot and the car is seen noticeably slowing down, while the motorcycles reactions were slower to the Limo slowing down. SA Hill makes it to the Limo in 5 steps. SA Kinney stated Hill jumped off the running board after the headshot.

SA Kinney
"At this time the second shot was fired and I observed hair flying from the right side of his head."

"*At this time Clint Hill jumped off and ran to the President's car, jumped on the back, and laid out across the trunk in a prone position where he rode the entire trip to the hospital. "

All after the second shot headshot.
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Of course.  I never said otherwise.  I said he accepts that there were three shots. You think that's weird. I don't.

It is exactly what you are saying. It is weird, really weird. Hill said he only heard two shots. He could not have been any clearer on that point. The rest is all you. What is really weird is refusing to acknowledge the fact SA Landis’s statement is the exact same as SA Hill’s with only two shots having been fired. SA Landis was standing on the running board inches behind SA Hill and never left the car. He never ran anywhere. SA Landis completely verifies Hill’s statement.

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I am saying that the evidence puts the second shot at a point after Altgens' #6 photo at z255 and before JBC begins falling back which starts about z278. It was enough after z255 so that the interval between the second and third shots was noticeably shorter than the interval between the first and second.  The first struck JFK in the back and exited his throat.  I say that the evidence puts it between z190 and z200 not at z223.

As has been pointed out to you numerous times, the eyewitnesses do not agree with you. Simply put, this is just a bunch of forced fit nonsense because you refuse to accept how messed up this really is.

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The 10 m split time for Usain Bolt in his 2009 world record 100 m of 9.58 sec. was 1.85 sec. 10 m is 32 feet.  So you think Clint Hill, wearing a suit and street shoes could beat Usain Bolt at his prime?  You seem to be saying he did

Your knowledge of a foot race does not appear to be any better than your comprehension of the JFKA.

The sprinter is nothing but an idiotic comparison. You wonder why you are unable to understand the JFK Assassination. Really it is a simple thought process. At the starting line for all sprinters the speed is 0 ft/sec.

Usain Bolt’s speed at the finish line was 27.3 mph or 40 ft/sec. Your point is he went from 0 mph to 27.3mph? At no point in time is it known what speed he is at and when. Now help me out, relate that to the JFK assassination and Hill running.

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Have you ever tried jumping off a car moving at 8 mph and trying to out-run it?  I haven't but if you have please relate to us how long it took for you to get up to a speed of running faster than the car.

I am sure the list of things you are unable to do is very long. Do not judge the rest of us by your lack of coordination. If you would take the time to actually read the statements of these agents, you would know SA Hill had been doing it all through the route.

Simple physics, Hill’s momentum is the exact same as the cars. Remember a male can run at a speed of 14.5 mph.

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What is interesting to note, though, about Hickey is that JFK's hair actually does fly up and back down just as he described - at z273-278:

What is interesting is after all these years of having Hickey’s statement read to you. You still refuse to accept what he stated. I would assume it is only because it completely refutes this Z255 shot you are always promoting.

SA Hickey: “At the moment he was almost sitting erect, I heard two reports .... and were in such rapid succession that there seemed be practically no time element between them.”

“Practically no time element between them” and you think that means what? Try not to embarrass yourself with your explanation for this like you have with your explanation for the hair flying. 

SA Kinney also had the second shot as the headshot. The same as Hickey. Hair flying: Kinney and Hickey were roommates and both reference the hair flying.
SA Kinney

Index Frame (history-matters.com)

I was driving SS 679-X, follow-up. As we turned off Main Street (left) about 4 minutes from our destination of Trade Mart. The first shot was fired as we were going into an underpass. The first shot was fired, I glanced from the taillight of SS 100-X, at the President and it appeared that he had been shot because he slumped to the left. Immediately he sat up again.* At this time the second shot was fired and I observed hair flying from the right side of his head. With this, simultaneously with the President's car, we stepped on the gas. I released the siren at that time. I did hear three shots but do not recall which shots were those that hit the President. *At this time Clint Hill jumped off and ran to the President's car, jumped on the back, and laid out across the trunk in a prone position where he rode the entire trip to the hospital. 

[Andrew Mason]

You see him jumping off?   

Yes, not only can you see Hill jump off the car in the Muchmore film. SA Hill jumps off close to the headshot and the car is seen noticeably slowing down, while the motorcycles reactions were slower to the Limo slowing down. SA Hill makes it to the Limo in 5 steps. SA Kinney stated Hill jumped off the running board after the headshot.

In order to see him jump off, you need a frame while he is on the running board.  Neither Muchmore or Nix films show that. Muchmore just shows Hill along side the front of the QM.

SA Kinney
"At this time the second shot was fired and I observed hair flying from the right side of his head."

That is consistent with what Hickey said happened on the second shot - that the hair on the right side of the President's head flew up but did not appear to hit him.  It was the third and last shot that struck his head.

What is really weird is refusing to acknowledge the fact SA Landis’s statement is the exact same as SA Hill’s with only two shots having been fired. SA Landis was standing on the running board inches behind SA Hill and never left the car.

Landis was on the right side behind Jack Ready. SA William McIntyre was behind Hill. McIntyre heard three shots.

As has been pointed out to you numerous times, the eyewitnesses do not agree with you. Simply put, this is just a bunch of forced fit nonsense because you refuse to accept how messed up this really is.

Not sure what you mean.  Everyone who reported hearing 3 shots disagrees with you.

The 10 m split time for Usain Bolt in his 2009 world record 100 m of 9.58 sec. was 1.85 sec. 10 m is 32 feet.  So you think Clint Hill, wearing a suit and street shoes could beat Usain Bolt at his prime?  You seem to be saying he did

Usain Bolt’s speed at the finish line was 27.3 mph or 40 ft/sec. Your point is he went from 0 mph to 27.3mph? At no point in time is it known what speed he is at and when.

Split times every 10 m are determined by analysis of the race film such as this analysis.

What is interesting is after all these years of having Hickey’s statement read to you. You still refuse to accept what he stated. I would assume it is only because it completely refutes this Z255 shot you are always promoting.

I have never suggested the second shot was as early as z255.  z255 is only 2 frames after the midpoint between z193 and z313. The second shot was well after the midpoint.  I put it at z271-2.

“Practically no time element between them” and you think that means what? Try not to embarrass yourself with your explanation for this like you have with your explanation for the hair flying.

“Practically no time element between them” means "almost but not quite. 

We don't know why Hickey described the last two shots that way.  Perhaps he was referring to what Mary Woodward noticed, which was that the sound reverberations of the second had not died out before the third sounded:  “The second two shots were immediate --- it was almost as if one were an echo of the other -- they came so quickly. The sound of one did not cease until the second shot.”  Mary Woodward in a 1988 interview by Nigel Turner for the film "The Men Who Killed Kennedy"