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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2021, 10:00:06 PM »
Oswald have to "guess" about Jarman and Norman being together?  :D

Anyone looking out the south facade of the building would have seen them together. And they ended up arriving at the same moment just beneath the SN window

Seems to me that you've never actually been to the building because where Norman and Jarman stood they could not have been seen by somebody on the 6th floor unless that person's torso was hanging out of the window.

And pray tell, how did Oswald guess, that both men, after leaving the front of the building would stay together, walk down Houston and enter the back of the building?

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« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2021, 10:01:32 PM »
In the London "trial" of Oswald,  Buell Frazier testified that Oswald walked to the kitchen window and stared at his sister until she called out to her brother that there was a strange man outside. "Who is that?" she said. Frazier said it was Lee Oswald the man who worked with him. She had never seen him before.

Frazier continued: "That was the first time he had ever done that. He never came up to our house before." Before then Frazier had gotten into his car and drove to the Paine's house where Oswald would come out and get into the car.

But not that November day.

In the London "trial" of Oswald,  Buell Frazier testified that Oswald walked to the kitchen window and stared at his sister until she called out to her brother that there was a strange man outside. "Who is that?" she said. Frazier said it was Lee Oswald the man who worked with him. She had never seen him before.

He said no such thing you ignorant fool.

We all know who's winging it here.

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2021, 10:48:56 PM »
Being seen downstairs around noon does not preclude Oswald making it back upstairs

True... he could have gotten to the 6th floor in 5 minutes or so....

But here's the problem (which is why this story, along with Carolyn Arnold's statements, were ignored/dismissed/buried), according to witnesses there was movement in the 6th floor window at about 15 minutes prior to the shots. In other words, at 12:15.... Kinda difficult to explain if Oswald was in the Domino room at around 12:25, right? 

So, maybe he didn't do what he said he didn't do after all..... Unless you have some persuasive evidence to prove he did?

Well, do you have it?
Carolyn Arnold never gave a consistent time for her exit from the TSBD. on 11/26 she told the FBI that it was at 12:15 or maybe just before. Four months later, she said she went outside about 12:25.  In 1978, Earl Golz reported that Arnold said she left at about 12:25. But, at about the same time, she was telling Tony Summers that she made her way outside "about a quarter of an hour before the assassination" and "about 12:15." This makes her statements a bad choice for trying to pin down Oswald's whereabouts at a specific time.
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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2021, 11:14:41 PM »
Carolyn Arnold's never gave a consistent time for her exit from the TSBD. on 11/26 she told the FBI that it was at 12:15 or maybe just before. Four months later, she said she went outside about 12:25.  In 1978, Earl Golz reported that Arnold said she left at about 12:25. But, at about the same time, she was telling Tony Summers that she made her way outside "about a quarter of an hour before the assassination" and "about 12:15." This makes her statements a bad choice for trying to pin down Oswald's whereabouts at a specific time.

Carolyn Arnold's never gave a consistent time for her exit from the TSBD.

So what? Time estimates are seldom perfect (isn't that what you guys constantly are telling us?), but the fact remains that Arnold confirmed to the FBI twice that she saw Oswald prior to the shooting, between 12:15 and 12:25 and stuck to her story. This is relevant because witnesses reported movement in the 6th floor window from 12:15 onwards. In a normal murder investigation such a witness would not be ignored and dismissed out of hand.


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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2021, 11:37:50 PM »
Seems to me that you've never actually been to the building because where Norman and Jarman stood they could not have been seen by somebody on the 6th floor unless that person's torso was hanging out of the window.

Where in front of the Building do you think they were standing? In the Doorway Forey? They were to the West and across the street.

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And pray tell, how did Oswald guess, that both men, after leaving the front of the building would stay together, walk down Houston and enter the back of the building?

Oswald didn't "guess" (at least in the form of a statement or utterance) "that both men, after leaving the front of the building would stay together, walk down Houston and enter the back of the building".

You agree, though, that Jarman and Norman ended up together beneath the SN window before the assassination?
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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2021, 11:40:09 PM »
Seems to me that you've never actually been to the building because where Norman and Jarman stood they could not have been seen by somebody on the 6th floor unless that person's torso was hanging out of the window.

Mr. BELIN. At the time you saw this man on the sixth floor, how much of the man could you see?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, I could see at one time he came to the window and he sat sideways on the window sill. That was previous to President Kennedy getting there. And I could see practically his whole body, from his hips up. But at the time that he was firing the gun, a possibility from his belt up.


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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2021, 11:45:32 PM »
Where in front of the Building do you think they were standing? In the Doorway Foray? They were to the West and across the street.

Oswald didn't "guess" (at least in the form of a statement or utterance) "that both men, after leaving the front of the building would stay together, walk down Houston and enter the back of the building".

You agree, though, that Jarman and Norman ended up together beneath the SN window before the assassination?

They were to the West and across the street.

Across what street?

Mr. JARMAN - I was standing over to the right in front of the building going toward the west.
Mr. BALL - Were you on the sidewalk or curb?
Mr. JARMAN - On the sidewalk.
Mr. BALL - The sidewalk in front of the Texas School Book Depository Building?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes, sir.

Mr. NORMAN. We went outside.
Mr. BALL. You went out the front door, did you?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. That is the Elm Street?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Where did you stand?
Mr. NORMAN. We stood on the Elm Street sidewalk.
Mr. BALL. On the sidewalk?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes. We didn't go any further than that point.

They were on the sidewalk directly in front of the building and out of sight from the 6th floor window.

Oswald didn't "guess" (at least in the form of a statement or utterance) "that both men, after leaving the front of the building would stay together, walk down Houston and enter the back of the building".

He didn't? That's strange, because some LNs, like John Mytton, have been claiming exactly that. But if you're right, and I think you are, how did Oswald know that Norman and Jarman entered the back of the building (as we know they did) if he wasn't there to see them?

You agree, though, that Jarman and Norman ended up together beneath the SN window before the assassination?

Yes. It's meaningless

Do you agree that Norman and Jarman entered the shipping department of the TSBD through the back door, to take the elevator to the 5th floor around 5 minutes prior to the shots being fired?
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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2021, 11:47:03 PM »
Mr. BELIN. At the time you saw this man on the sixth floor, how much of the man could you see?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, I could see at one time he came to the window and he sat sideways on the window sill. That was previous to President Kennedy getting there. And I could see practically his whole body, from his hips up. But at the time that he was firing the gun, a possibility from his belt up.


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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2021, 11:57:46 PM »
He didn't? That's strange, because some LNs, like John Mytton, have been claiming exactly that.

Exactly what did I claim? Cite?

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2021, 12:05:09 AM »
Exactly what did I claim? Cite?

JohnM

You were idiotic enough to claim that Oswald saw Norman and Jarman on the sidewalk in front of the TSBB from the 6th floor window and that he saw both men walking down to the back of the building on Houston street, and that he guessed they had entered the back of the TSBD.

Do you now deny you claimed this?

 

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