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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #300 on: September 15, 2021, 12:34:54 AM »
Yes , I understand that you'd like me to stop hammering you into submission, and I'll admit that I'm a little tired....  But I'm going to keep  pounding this truth into your head until you knock off the cheap diversions and start being honest with yourself.

Thanks for taking it easy on me Walt.
Oswald gets to the rooming house close to 1pm
How does he get there?
I am more than willing to honestly consider any evidence you may have regarding this question.

Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #301 on: September 15, 2021, 02:56:20 AM »
Thanks for taking it easy on me Walt.
Oswald gets to the rooming house close to 1pm
How does he get there?
I am more than willing to honestly consider any evidence you may have regarding this question.

Lee Oswald said that he boarded a bus but after a couple of blocks it became jammed in traffic so he got off ( 12:44) and walked a couple of blocks to the taxi stand at the Greyhound Bus depot, and hired a cab (12:48) to take him to the rooming house.  This Taxi was a CITY cab and it was NOT driven by Bill Whaley.  Lee told Fritz that a woman looked in the window and asked the driver to call a taxi for her.   (Fritz knew this and told Whaley that Lee had said that a woman had looked into the   taxi and requested that the driver call a taxi for her. Thus Whaley incorporated this detail into his lie) Lee told Fritz that the cab fare was 85 cents ....Whaley said that he charged his passenger 95 cents.  The 95 cents is the correct fare for a person traveling from the Greyhound depot to 500 N. Beckley ...and 85 cents is the correct fare for a person traveling from the bus depot to the intersection of Zangs and Beckley....

 

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #302 on: September 15, 2021, 03:18:21 AM »
Lee Oswald said that he boarded a bus but after a couple of blocks it became jammed in traffic so he got off ( 12:44) and walked a couple of blocks to the taxi stand at the Greyhound Bus depot, and hired a cab (12:48) to take him to the rooming house.  This Taxi was a CITY cab and it was NOT driven by Bill Whaley.  Lee told Fritz that a woman looked in the window and asked the driver to call a taxi for her.   (Fritz knew this and told Whaley that Lee had said that a woman had looked into the   taxi and requested that the driver call a taxi for her. Thus Whaley incorporated this detail into his lie) Lee told Fritz that the cab fare was 85 cents ....Whaley said that he charged his passenger 95 cents.  The 95 cents is the correct fare for a person traveling from the Greyhound depot to 500 N. Beckley ...and 85 cents is the correct fare for a person traveling from the bus depot to the intersection of Zangs and Beckley....

 

Do you know what Walt, that seems plausible to me.

Not 100% sure why the investigating authorities would fake a cab ride instead of just finding the real taxi driver.
A few phone calls to the various cab companies should've been enough to track him down.

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #303 on: September 15, 2021, 04:18:08 AM »
Do you know what Walt, that seems plausible to me.

Not 100% sure why the investigating authorities would fake a cab ride instead of just finding the real taxi driver.
A few phone calls to the various cab companies should've been enough to track him down.

But what if they had no luck in tracking him down? And what if this failure cast doubt on Mr Oswald's claims about getting a taxi?

This would have left the 'investigating' authorities with a really tricky situation-----------they couldn't find corroboration that Mr Oswald had made it to his rooming house independently, i.e. without the help of another person who was NEITHER a bus driver NOR a cab driver. Such a failure to establish that Mr Oswald acted alone in his 'getaway' would only raise further the specter of conspiracy in the public mind.

Enter Mr Whaley..............
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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #304 on: September 15, 2021, 04:59:54 AM »
But what if they had no luck in tracking him down? And what if this failure cast doubt on Mr Oswald's claims about getting a taxi?

This would have left the 'investigating' authorities with a really tricky situation-----------they couldn't find corroboration that Mr Oswald had made it to his rooming house independently, i.e. without the help of another person who was NEITHER a bus driver NOR a cab driver. Such a failure to establish that Mr Oswald acted alone in his 'getaway' would only raise further the specter of conspiracy in the public mind.

Enter Mr Whaley..............

Yet no pretend bus ride or cab ride to explain how Oswald got from his rooming house to the Tippit murder scene. The authorities found out about the Marsalis bus and Whaley taxi rides because they happened, not because they had to be invented.

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #305 on: September 15, 2021, 12:09:59 PM »
But what if they had no luck in tracking him down? And what if this failure cast doubt on Mr Oswald's claims about getting a taxi?

This would have left the 'investigating' authorities with a really tricky situation-----------they couldn't find corroboration that Mr Oswald had made it to his rooming house independently, i.e. without the help of another person who was NEITHER a bus driver NOR a cab driver. Such a failure to establish that Mr Oswald acted alone in his 'getaway' would only raise further the specter of conspiracy in the public mind.

Enter Mr Whaley..............

Really?

Whaley's affidavit is given the day after the assassination.
What's the big rush?
Why do the authorities feel the need to establish his getaway by the next day?
The investigation has only just begun. They have Oswald in custody and have as much time as they need to establish his movements after the TSBD.
Do you really think the investigating authorities were concerned about the "specter of conspiracy" the day after the assassination??
There is no need to start faking cab rides when a few phone calls would've tracked down the real cab driver.

You are not thinking about this correctly at all.
Why the need to start faking things the day after the assassination?
They've got weeks and moths to put all the pieces together.

Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #306 on: September 15, 2021, 04:30:48 PM »
Yet no pretend bus ride or cab ride to explain how Oswald got from his rooming house to the Tippit murder scene. The authorities found out about the Marsalis bus and Whaley taxi rides because they happened, not because they had to be invented.

no ----- bus ride or cab ride to explain how Oswald got from his rooming house to the Tippit murder scene.

BINGO !   That is the crux of the whole Whaley fabrication ....    Fritz & co wanted Whaley's tale to show that Lee Oswald lied when he told Fritz that he traveled to the Texas theater by bus.    And THAT is what Lee told Fritz.

Lee didn't realize that he was giving himself an airtight alibi when he told Fritz that he had traveled to the theater BY BUS....

From Thomas kelley's report page 626 of WR----   "In response to questions put by Captain Fritz, Oswald said that immediately after having left the building where he worked HE WENT BY BUS TO THE THEATHER where he was arrested.

Lee didn't know the location of the site where the police officer that he was accused of killing had been shot.  He didn't know that by telling Fritz that he traveled by bus to the theater that he was providing an alibi for his whereabouts at the time that JD Tippit was killed.  ....But of course Fritz knew full well that If the issue was focused on  They were in deep trouble in trying to frame Lee for Tippit's murder.     Thus Fritz knew that he had to show that Lee lied about how he traveled from the TSBD to the theater.   And Yes Lee did in fact "lie".....  He told one of those seemingly innocuous lies that we all tell from time to time.    Lee didn't realize that he should have told Fritz precisely how he had traveled from point to point after leaving the TSBD.  He simply abbreviated the journey by saying that he traveled by bus ........Leaving the listeners with impression that he had been on one bus for the entire trip.  He had no idea that he should have told Fritz the truth from the start.


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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #307 on: September 15, 2021, 04:36:39 PM »
Really?

Whaley's affidavit is given the day after the assassination.
What's the big rush?
Why do the authorities feel the need to establish his getaway by the next day?
The investigation has only just begun. They have Oswald in custody and have as much time as they need to establish his movements after the TSBD.
Do you really think the investigating authorities were concerned about the "specter of conspiracy" the day after the assassination??
There is no need to start faking cab rides when a few phone calls would've tracked down the real cab driver.

You are not thinking about this correctly at all.
Why the need to start faking things the day after the assassination?
They've got weeks and moths to put all the pieces together.

Why the need to start faking things the day after the assassination?

The conspirators were in a panic....  They never anticipated that the patsy would leave the TSBD alive.....

The public was clamoring for answers and their "fat was in the fire"  ......

You'll notice that Fritz does not ask lee how he traveled from the rooming house to the theater.   Fritz didn't want that answer....He wanted it to appear as though Lee had traveled from the rooming house to the scene of Tippit's murder.

The theory that Lee ran from the rooming house to 10th  & Patton streets has been exposed as impossible  because an eye witness to the Tippit murder swore under oath that Tippit was killed at 1:06 pm.   And since Lee was still at the rooming house at 1:03 pm it would have been impossible for him to have traveled the mile between the rooming house and the Tippit scene in just a couple of minutes.

An often overlooked bit of information is the fact that Lee said hat he was going to the movies before he ever departed from the TSBD.   Lee's destination when he left the TSBD was the Texas Theater. .....  So there is no reasonable explanation that would account for him to have been at 10th  & Patton.   

I know that the diehard LNer's have proposed many theories in an attempt to frame Lee Oswald for Tippit's murder, but they cannot refute the FACT that Lee told Fritz that he took a bus to the theater.    Nor can they refute the FACT that Tipit's killer was NOT using a S&W revolver.   Lee allegedly had a S&W revolver in his possession when he was arrested at the theater.  And nobody ever proved that the S&W was the murder weapon.   ( It can't be proven, because it was not the murder weapon.)
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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #308 on: September 15, 2021, 06:25:19 PM »
Why the need to start faking things the day after the assassination?

The conspirators were in a panic....  They never anticipated that the patsy would leave the TSBD alive.....

The public was clamoring for answers and their "fat was in the fire"  ......

You'll notice that Fritz does not ask lee how he traveled from the rooming house to the theater.   Fritz didn't want that answer....He wanted it to appear as though Lee had traveled from the rooming house to the scene of Tippit's murder.

The theory that Lee ran from the rooming house to 10th  & Patton streets has been exposed as impossible  because an eye witness to the Tippit murder swore under oath that Tippit was killed at 1:06 pm.   And since Lee was still at the rooming house at 1:03 pm it would have been impossible for him to have traveled the mile between the rooming house and the Tippit scene in just a couple of minutes.

An often overlooked bit of information is the fact that Lee said hat he was going to the movies before he ever departed from the TSBD.   Lee's destination when he left the TSBD was the Texas Theater. .....  So there is no reasonable explanation that would account for him to have been at 10th  & Patton.   

I know that the diehard LNer's have proposed many theories in an attempt to frame Lee Oswald for Tippit's murder, but they cannot refute the FACT that Lee told Fritz that he took a bus to the theater.    Nor can they refute the FACT that Tipit's killer was NOT using a S&W revolver.   Lee allegedly had a S&W revolver in his possession when he was arrested at the theater.  And nobody ever proved that the S&W was the murder weapon.   ( It can't be proven, because it was not the murder weapon.)

So much spinning.  This yarn is getting longer than Moby Dick.  In which we learn that the conspirators were in a panic because Oswald escaped the TSBD.  How or why this is allowed to occur is left to our imagination since the conspirators are otherwise efficient enough to kill the President who is protected by numerous secret service agents and police officers.  But they can't manage to kill the unarmed and unprotected Oswald.  Not even when he is approached by an armed police officer.  Whoops.  Then it gets even better.   The DPD has Oswald in a perfect place to silence him.  The TT where they can claim he was a dangerous mad dog killer resisting arrest.  No one would question if Oswald had been killed in the TT.  Instead they take him into custody, allow him to speak to the press, somehow recruit someone willing to kill Oswald in the presence of law enforcement (and on TV) to spend the rest of his life in jail or face execution and keep him silent for the rest of his days.   What a plan!

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #309 on: September 15, 2021, 06:43:42 PM »
Here's the guy that they absolutely had to silence - to prevent him from exposing the plot. If he talked, that would be it. Those objects to the right of him are microphones. That big square thing on the top/center is a TV camera. It was broadcasting live. There are dozens of people in the room.

They could have allowed some "favored" reporters to talk to Oswald secretly. Orchestrate an interview. Keep it quiet in case he exposed the plot. But no, they did this. Yes, that's what conspirators would do.


 

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