Author Topic: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?  (Read 10757 times)

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The pants do go off-black in areas sunstruck.

The clothes that Whaley's passenger was wearing were BLUE  (Jacket and trousers)   

Lee Oswald was wearing a REDDISH BROWN shirt and gray trousers....

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The clothes that Whaley's passenger was wearing were BLUE  (Jacket and trousers)   

Whaley didn't say the jacket and trousers were blue.

Mr. BALL. Did you notice how he was dressed?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. I didn’t pay much attention to it right then. But it
all came back when I really found out who I had. He was dressed in just
ordinary work clothes. It wasn’t khaki pants but they were khaki material,
blue faded blue color, like a blue uniform made in khaki. Then he had on a
brown shirt with a little silverlike stripe on it and he had on some kind
of jacket, I didn’t notice very close but I think it was a work jacket that
almost matched the pants.

He said the pants were "like a blue uniform made in khaki". Personally, I think he's using the term "khaki" as a metaphor for something that's not a solid primary color. On Nov. 23, Whaley described Oswald as "dressed in gray khaki pants". Gray/Blue interchangable for Whaley because they're both not solid primary colors.

I don't think there was literally "blue khaki" back in the 1960s. As I showed, the trousers do lighten up in what some might call bluish-or-grayish (ie: not a solid primary color) when the pants are sunstruck.

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Lee Oswald was wearing a REDDISH BROWN shirt and gray trousers....

I think Whaley memory-merged the shirt and "jacket" when there was just the shirt.



"I didn’t notice very close but I think it was a work jacket that almost matched the pants"

Online Walt Cakebread

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Whaley didn't say the jacket and trousers were blue.

Mr. BALL. Did you notice how he was dressed?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. I didn’t pay much attention to it right then. But it
all came back when I really found out who I had. He was dressed in just
ordinary work clothes. It wasn’t khaki pants but they were khaki material,
blue faded blue color, like a blue uniform made in khaki. Then he had on a
brown shirt with a little silverlike stripe on it and he had on some kind
of jacket, I didn’t notice very close but I think it was a work jacket that
almost matched the pants.

He said the pants were "like a blue uniform made in khaki". Personally, I think he's using the term "khaki" as a metaphor for something that's not a solid primary color. On Nov. 23, Whaley described Oswald as "dressed in gray khaki pants". Gray/Blue interchangable for Whaley because they're both not solid primary colors.

I don't think there was literally "blue khaki" back in the 1960s. As I showed, the trousers do lighten up in what some might call bluish-or-grayish (ie: not a solid primary color) when the pants are sunstruck.

I think Whaley memory-merged the shirt and "jacket" when there was just the shirt.



"I didn’t notice very close but I think it was a work jacket that almost matched the pants"

Whaley was describing the fabric of the trousers as khaki ....  I'd guess that Whaley was referring to a cotton twill fabric.

But that's not relevant.....Whaley said the trousers were BLUE....And Lee Oswald"s trousers were dark gray.  Whaley said that the man in his taxi was wearing a BLUE jacket over a brown shirt.... Lee was NOT wearing a Jacket.   

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I think Whaley memory-merged the shirt and "jacket" when there was just the shirt.

"memory-merged" -- LOL

10W, all heat no light.

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I think Whaley memory-merged the shirt and "jacket" when there was just the shirt.

"memory-merged" -- LOL

10W, all heat no light.

You think Whaley was a digital camera?   :D

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You think Whaley was a digital camera?   :D

hinky - slang : SUSPICIOUS

Where is any supporting evidence of Whaley's WWII combat award?



Why did Whaley's birth year, consistent in all records, birth, multiple US census, on his son William's 1931 birth certificate, and on his 1940 draft registration, change from 1908 to 1905 sometime after that?



Phillips Family History: A Brief History of the Phillips ... - Page 127 books.google.com › books
Harry Phillips · 1935 ·


Why was Whaley's son and namesake raised by his deceased mother's sister and considered her husband to be his father?

Whaley genealogy as understood by a family member,:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Whaley-18


https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/157070315/
Tuesday, June 24, 1997

 Rio Rancho. WHALEY William Wayne Whaley, 65, passed away unexpectedly on June 18, 1997 in Michigan while on vacation. Husband of 43 years to Dorothy; father and father-in-law of Jamy and Gregg Peevy and Bill Jr. and Dee Whaley, all of Albuquerque; son of Alice (Pat) Scales of Albuquerque. Mr. Whaley retired from Us Alamos National Ubs in 1993 after 17 years. A memorial service will be held Wednesday, 3:00 p.m. at French Mortuary, Umas Blvd. Chapel, 10500 Umas NE. Cremation has taken place. In lieu of flowers, memorial contributions may be made to Noonday Ministry, P.O. Box 8769, Albuquerque, NM 87198 or New Mexico Boys and Girls Ranch, 6209 Hendrix NE, Albuquerque, NM 87110.

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/157414971/
Tuesday, October 30, 1984   Albuquerque Journal
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SEALES Mr. Alvin S. Seales, age 73 and a resident here 21 years, died Monday in a local hospital following an illness. He is survived by his wife, Alice; a son William W. Whaley and wife Dorothy; granddaughter Jamy Whaley; grandson, William W. Whaley Jr. and wife Nancy, all of Albuquerque; a brother Clarence L Seales and wife Ramona; sister Denme Mae Morris; sister-in-law Katie Seales; four nephews and five nieces. Mr. Seales retired from Federal A via Don Administration and was a member of the Methodist Church, Air Traffic Control Association, a veteran of WWII, and member of D.A.V. Borderland Post 10 in El Paso, TX. Services will be held Wednesday at 11.00 a.m. in the Chapel of Fitzgerald and Son Funeral Directors, 3113 Carlisle NE, with Rev. Henry Weston, officiating. Inter ment will follow in the Santa Fe National Cemetery at 1:00 p.m.

https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=1166607
Alice Patterson Seales  Alvin S Seales

http://obits.abqjournal.com/obits/show/124388
Published on: Fri January 29, 1999
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Seales -- Alice (Pat) Seales, passed away Wednesday morning, January 27, 1999, at Sunrise Mission Manor Care and Rehabilitation. She was 91 years old. She was preceded in death by her husband, Alvin S. Seales; and her son, William Whaley. She is survived by her daughter-in-law, Dorothy Whaley; and grandchildren, Jamy Peevy and her husband, Gregg, Bill Whaley and his wife, Dee. Memorial services will take place at a later date. Cremation has taken place. In lieu of flowers, memorial contributions may be made to Sandia Hospice, 4775 Indian School Rd. NE, Suite 310, Albuquerque, NM 87110.


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Online Walt Cakebread

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hinky - slang : SUSPICIOUS

Where is any supporting evidence of Whaley's WWII combat award?



Why did Whaley's birth year, consistent in all records, birth, multiple US census, on his son William's 1931 birth certificate, and on his 1940 draft registration, change from 1908 to 1905 sometime after that?



Phillips Family History: A Brief History of the Phillips ... - Page 127 books.google.com › books
Harry Phillips · 1935 ·


Why was Whaley's son and namesake raised by his deceased mother's sister and considered her husband to be his father?

Whaley genealogy as understood by a family member,:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Whaley-18


https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/157070315/
Tuesday, June 24, 1997

 Rio Rancho. WHALEY William Wayne Whaley, 65, passed away unexpectedly on June 18, 1997 in Michigan while on vacation. Husband of 43 years to Dorothy; father and father-in-law of Jamy and Gregg Peevy and Bill Jr. and Dee Whaley, all of Albuquerque; son of Alice (Pat) Scales of Albuquerque. Mr. Whaley retired from Us Alamos National Ubs in 1993 after 17 years. A memorial service will be held Wednesday, 3:00 p.m. at French Mortuary, Umas Blvd. Chapel, 10500 Umas NE. Cremation has taken place. In lieu of flowers, memorial contributions may be made to Noonday Ministry, P.O. Box 8769, Albuquerque, NM 87198 or New Mexico Boys and Girls Ranch, 6209 Hendrix NE, Albuquerque, NM 87110.

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/157414971/
Tuesday, October 30, 1984   Albuquerque Journal
..............
SEALES Mr. Alvin S. Seales, age 73 and a resident here 21 years, died Monday in a local hospital following an illness. He is survived by his wife, Alice; a son William W. Whaley and wife Dorothy; granddaughter Jamy Whaley; grandson, William W. Whaley Jr. and wife Nancy, all of Albuquerque; a brother Clarence L Seales and wife Ramona; sister Denme Mae Morris; sister-in-law Katie Seales; four nephews and five nieces. Mr. Seales retired from Federal A via Don Administration and was a member of the Methodist Church, Air Traffic Control Association, a veteran of WWII, and member of D.A.V. Borderland Post 10 in El Paso, TX. Services will be held Wednesday at 11.00 a.m. in the Chapel of Fitzgerald and Son Funeral Directors, 3113 Carlisle NE, with Rev. Henry Weston, officiating. Inter ment will follow in the Santa Fe National Cemetery at 1:00 p.m.

https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=1166607
Alice Patterson Seales  Alvin S Seales

http://obits.abqjournal.com/obits/show/124388
Published on: Fri January 29, 1999
..............
Seales -- Alice (Pat) Seales, passed away Wednesday morning, January 27, 1999, at Sunrise Mission Manor Care and Rehabilitation. She was 91 years old. She was preceded in death by her husband, Alvin S. Seales; and her son, William Whaley. She is survived by her daughter-in-law, Dorothy Whaley; and grandchildren, Jamy Peevy and her husband, Gregg, Bill Whaley and his wife, Dee. Memorial services will take place at a later date. Cremation has taken place. In lieu of flowers, memorial contributions may be made to Sandia Hospice, 4775 Indian School Rd. NE, Suite 310, Albuquerque, NM 87110.

The newspaper story is nothing but the reporter's imagination.....

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The newspaper story is nothing but the reporter's imagination.....

David ?

https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/07/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-767.html

Why was Whaley quoted on the day of the assassination, talking about his passenger log being in "15 minute increments," unless he, himself, had already had to defend it as supporting his claim Oswald had been his passenger?

Whaley's WC testimony, months later...

https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/whaley1.htm

"...Mr. BALL. Now, what happened after that, will you tell us in your own words what he did?
Mr. WHALEY. Well, on this which was the 14th trip when I picked up at the Greyhound I marked it 12:30 to 12:45.
Mr. BALL. You say that can be off 15 minutes?
Mr. WHALEY. That can be off either direction.
Mr. BALL. Anything up to 15 minutes, you say?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; I wrote that trip up the same time I wrote the one up from the Continental bus station to the Greyhound, I marked this 12:15 to 12:30 and started 12:30 to 12:45. And the next one starts at 1:15 to 1:30 and it goes on all day long every 15 minutes the time keeps pretty approximate.
Mr. BALL. Let's take the 12:30 trip, tell me about that, what the passenger said.
Mr. WHALEY. He said, "May I have the cab?"..."
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You think Whaley was a digital camera?   :D

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The line of argument that we can just dismiss an eyewitness because of a clothing discrepancy is absurd, from the time we are babies we first start to learn to recognise faces, like our mothers and fathers and as we continue to age when we first see someone we look at their face to gauge, attractiveness, emotion, etc, as they say, you make a good first impression by smiling and what a person is wearing comes a distant second, our fashion choices don't define who we are.

For example I went shopping at the local corner shop yesterday and I definitely know who served me and if I had to, I could say without reservation that that person was the one who packaged my bread and milk but if I had to recall their clothes then I simply couldn't because I had no reason to remember, much like Whaley.

In the following image is shown the man wearing BLACK who in and around Port Arthur killed 35 people and many eyewitnesses were face to face with this mass murderer and positively identified him and later this man admitted to the crime.



These eyewitnesses all positively identified the same man and understandably have differing memories on the clothing colour but if we use the same criteria of throwing out eyewitnesses because of a silly colour discrepancy then we'd still have a mass murderer on the loose. And this highlights the problem with rabid JFKA CT's, outside this single case, they have no real life experience!

Name of Witness: DUTTON Christian Names: James David       brown jacket
Name of Witness: KINGSTON Christian Names: Ian Gregory     green jacket
Name of Witness: BEEKMAN Christian Names: Michael Dean     ski type jacket, blue, orange and a few other colours on it
Name of Witness: WILLIAMS Christian Names: Colin Sydney    3/4 length jacket, dark in appearance
Name of Witness: WILLIAMS Christian Names: Iris Emelia     He had on a jacket of some description.
Name of Witness: SARGENT Christian Names: Michael Robert   blue jacket
Name of Witness: RIVIERE Christian Names: John Michael     “High length’ black jacket
Name of Witness: OLSON Christian Names: MARY LEE           I think was green
Name of Witness: LEVER Cristian Names: Coralee Helen       dark jacket
Name of Witness: NASH Christian Names: Carolyn Louise      khaki green jacket or parker type jacket
Name of Witness: BALASKO Christian Names: James            black jacket
Name of Witness: McKENNA Christian Names: Rebecca Kate     ski type jacket which was zipped all the way up. it was either navy, blue or grey.

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David ?

https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/07/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-767.html

Why was Whaley quoted on the day of the assassination, talking about his passenger log being in "15 minute increments," unless he, himself, had already had to defend it as supporting his claim Oswald had been his passenger?

Whaley's WC testimony, months later...

https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/whaley1.htm

"...Mr. BALL. Now, what happened after that, will you tell us in your own words what he did?
Mr. WHALEY. Well, on this which was the 14th trip when I picked up at the Greyhound I marked it 12:30 to 12:45.
Mr. BALL. You say that can be off 15 minutes?
Mr. WHALEY. That can be off either direction.
Mr. BALL. Anything up to 15 minutes, you say?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; I wrote that trip up the same time I wrote the one up from the Continental bus station to the Greyhound, I marked this 12:15 to 12:30 and started 12:30 to 12:45. And the next one starts at 1:15 to 1:30 and it goes on all day long every 15 minutes the time keeps pretty approximate.
Mr. BALL. Let's take the 12:30 trip, tell me about that, what the passenger said.
Mr. WHALEY. He said, "May I have the cab?"..."


Mr Whaley is referring to the man who was dressed in BLUE....  Whaley said that the man was wearing a BLUE  jacket and trousers the matched the color and material of jacket.    Lee was NOT wearing a BLUE jacket ( he wasn't wearing any jacket) nor was he wearing BLUE trousers.

 

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