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« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2021, 03:33:51 PM »
Investigating an attempted overthrow of the US Government is not a waste of time. The overwhelming majority of Americans support the investigation.

Again, the FBI has investigated this incident with every resource available to them.  They have arrested hundreds of people for mostly petty minor crimes.  They have found no evidence of any larger effort to "overthrow the US Government" because there is none.  This is a distraction from the very real disasters unfolding under Biden.  Pandemic cases are up 300% even with the vaccine widely available.  Afghanistan ended in chaos and more unnecessary deaths.  A drone strike was launched on a humanitarian aid worker and his family resulting in the deaths of many children to show that Biden was not weak and incompetent in the aftermath of the bombing at the Kabul airport.  The Biden administration has lied and covered up that incident to suggest they killed a terrorist.  How about investigating that with the same rigor as the Jan. 6 incident?  How about someone be held accountable for the lies and cover ups in Afghanistan that resulted in the deaths of thousands?  Where is Liz Cheney on that issue?  How about investigating her father as a war criminal for the intentional lies he told that resulted in untold numbers of deaths?

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Re: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2021, 11:47:00 PM »
Again, the FBI has investigated this incident with every resource available to them.  They have arrested hundreds of people for mostly petty minor crimes.  They have found no evidence of any larger effort to "overthrow the US Government" because there is none.  This is a distraction from the very real disasters unfolding under Biden.  Pandemic cases are up 300% even with the vaccine widely available.  Afghanistan ended in chaos and more unnecessary deaths.  A drone strike was launched on a humanitarian aid worker and his family resulting in the deaths of many children to show that Biden was not weak and incompetent in the aftermath of the bombing at the Kabul airport.  The Biden administration has lied and covered up that incident to suggest they killed a terrorist.  How about investigating that with the same rigor as the Jan. 6 incident?  How about someone be held accountable for the lies and cover ups in Afghanistan that resulted in the deaths of thousands?  Where is Liz Cheney on that issue?  How about investigating her father as a war criminal for the intentional lies he told that resulted in untold numbers of deaths?


100% false.

You read a debunked Reuters article.

The insurrectionists have admitted in court their goal was to overturn the election results and overthrow the US Government. They weren't there for fun.

And who negotiated the Afghanistan deal with the Taliban and released 5000 Taliban terrorists? Donald Trump. That was his deal from 2020 and every single expert said it would be a disaster.       

This was the largest rescue mission in history with over 122,000 people evacuated. Unfortunately deaths do occur when we lost a few of our military. Donald Trump called our troops "losers and suckers". 

President Biden has been honest and truthful from the start and has brought our troops home. Pathetic how you accuse President Biden of "lying" when you supported a pathological liar who called COVID a hoax and has lied over 30,000 times.         


Capitol assault a more sinister attack than first appeared

Under battle flags bearing Donald Trump’s name, the Capitol’s attackers pinned a bloodied police officer in a doorway, his twisted face and screams captured on video. They mortally wounded another officer with a blunt weapon and body-slammed a third over a railing into the crowd.

“Hang Mike Pence!” the insurrectionists chanted as they pressed inside, beating police with pipes. They demanded House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s whereabouts, too. They hunted any and all lawmakers: “Where are they?” Outside, makeshift gallows stood, complete with sturdy wooden steps and the noose. Guns and pipe bombs had been stashed in the vicinity.

Only days later is the extent of the danger from one of the darkest episodes in American democracy coming into focus. The sinister nature of the assault has become evident, betraying the crowd as a force determined to occupy the inner sanctums of Congress and run down leaders — Trump’s vice president and the Democratic House speaker among them.

This was not just a collection of Trump supporters with MAGA bling caught up in a wave.

That revelation came in real time to Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass., who briefly took over proceedings in the House chamber as the mob closed in Wednesday and Pelosi was spirited to safer quarters moments before everything went haywire.

“I saw this crowd of people banging on that glass screaming,” McGovern told The Associated Press on Sunday. “Looking at their faces, it occurred to me, these aren’t protesters. These are people who want to do harm.”

“What I saw in front of me,” he said, “was basically home-grown fascism, out of control.”

Pelosi said Sunday “the evidence is that it was a well-planned, organized group with leadership and guidance and direction. And the direction was to go get people.” She did not elaborate on that point in a ”60 Minutes” interview on CBS.

The scenes of rage, violence and agony are so vast that the whole of it may still be beyond comprehension. But with countless smartphone videos emerging from the scene, much of it from gloating insurrectionists themselves, and more lawmakers recounting the chaos that was around them, the contours of the uprising are increasingly coming into relief.

THE STAGING

The mob got stirring encouragement from Trump and more explicit marching orders from the president’s men.

“Fight like hell,” Trump exhorted his partisans at the staging rally. “Let’s have trial by combat,” implored his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, whose attempt to throw out election results in trial by courtroom failed. It’s time to “start taking down names and kicking ass,” said Republican Rep. Mo Brooks of Alabama.

Criminals pardoned by Trump, among them Roger Stone and Michael Flynn, came forward at rallies on the eve of the attack to tell the crowds they were fighting a battle between good and evil. On Capitol Hill, Republican Sen. Josh Hawley of Missouri gave a clenched-fist salute to the hordes outside the Capitol as he pulled up to press his challenge of the election results.

The crowd was pumped. Until a little after 2 p.m., Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell was at the helm for the final minutes of decorum in partnership with Pence, who was serving his ceremonial role presiding over the process.

Both men had backed Trump’s agenda and excused or ignored his provocations for four years, but now had no mechanism or will to subvert the election won by Biden. That placed them high among the insurrectionists’ targets, no different in the minds of the mob from the “socialists.”

“If this election were overturned by mere allegations from the losing side, our democracy would enter a death spiral,” McConnell told his chamber, not long before things spiraled out of control in what lawmakers call the “People’s House.”

Far-right social media users had openly hinted for weeks that chaos would erupt at the Capitol when Congress convened to certify the election results. As the attack unfolded, they urged followers to “trust the plan” and “hold the line.” Just what the plan might have been is central to the investigation.

The FBI is investigating whether some of the attackers intended to kidnap members of Congress and hold them hostage. Authorities are particularly focused on why some in the mob were seen carrying plastic zip-tie handcuffs and had apparently accessed areas of the Capitol generally difficult for the public to locate.

THE ASSAULT

Thousands had swarmed the Capitol. They charged into police and metal barricades outside the building, shoving and hitting officers in their way. The assault quickly pushed through the vastly outnumbered police line; officers ran down one man and pummeled him.

In the melee outside, near the structure built for Joe Biden’s inauguration on Jan. 20, a man threw a fire extinguisher at the helmeted head of a police officer. Then he picked up a bullhorn and threw it at officers, too.

The identity of the officer could not immediately be confirmed. But Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick, who was wounded in the chaos, died the next night; officials say he had been hit in the head with a fire extinguisher.

Shortly after 2 p.m., Capitol Police sent an alert telling workers in a House office building to head to underground transportation tunnels that criss-cross the complex. Minutes later, Pence was taken from the Senate chamber to a secret location and police announced the lockdown of the Capitol. “You may move throughout the building(s) but stay away from exterior windows and doors,” said the email blast. “If you are outside, seek cover.”

At 2:15 p.m., the Senate recessed its Electoral College debate and a voice was heard over the chamber’s audio system: “The protesters are in the building.” The doors of the House chamber were barricaded and lawmakers inside it were told they may need to duck under their chairs or relocate to cloakrooms off the House floor because the mob has breached the Capitol Rotunda.

Even before the mob reached sealed doors of the House chamber, Capitol Police pulled Pelosi away from the podium, she told “60 Minutes.”

“I said, ‘No, I want to be here,’”she said. “And they said, ‘Well, no, you have to leave.’ I said, ‘No, I’m not leaving.’ They said, ‘No, you must leave.’” So she did.

At 2:44 p.m., as lawmakers inside the House chamber prepared to be evacuated, a gunshot was heard from right outside, in the Speaker’s Lobby on the other side of the barricaded doors. That’s when Ashli Babbit, wearing a Trump flag like a cape, was shot to death on camera as insurrectionists railed, her blood pooling on the white marble floor.

The Air Force veteran from California had climbed through a broken window into the Speaker’s Lobby before a police officer’s gunshot felled her.

Back in the House chamber, a woman in the balcony was seen and heard screaming. Why she was doing that only became clear later when video circulated. She was screaming a prayer.

Within about 10 minutes of the shooting, House lawmakers and staff members who had been cowering during the onslaught, terror etched into their faces, had been taken from the chamber and gallery to a secure room. The mob broke into Pelosi’s offices while members of her staff hid in one of the rooms of her suite.

“The staff went under the table, barricaded the door, turned out the lights and were silent in the dark,” she said. “Under the table for two and a half hours.”

On the Senate side, Capitol Police had circled the chamber and ordered all staff and reporters and any nearby senators into the chamber and locked it down. At one point about 200 people were inside; an officer armed with what appeared to be a semi-automatic weapon stood between McConnell and the Democratic leader, Sen. Chuck Schumer.

Authorities then ordered an evacuation and rushed everyone inside to a secure location, the Senate parliamentary staff scooping up the boxes holding the Electoral Collage certificates.

Although the Capitol’s attackers had been sent with Trump’s exhortation to fight, they appeared in some cases to be surprised that they had actually made it in.

When they breached the abandoned Senate chamber, they milled around, rummaged through papers, sat at desks and took videos and pictures. One of them climbed to the dais and yelled, “Trump won that election!” Two others were photographed carrying flex cuffs typically used for mass arrests.

But outside the chamber, the mob’s hunt was still on for lawmakers. “Where are they?” people could be heard yelling.

That question could have also applied to reinforcements — where were they?

At about 5:30 p.m., once the National Guard had arrived to supplement the overwhelmed Capitol Police force, a full-on effort began to get the attackers out.

Heavily armed officers brought in as reinforcements started using tear gas in a coordinated fashion to get people moving toward the door, then combed the halls for stragglers. As darkness fell, they pushed the mob farther out onto the plaza and lawn, using officers in riot gear in full shields and clouds of tear gas, flash-bangs and percussion grenades.

At 7:23 p.m., officials announced that people hunkered down in two nearby congressional office buildings could leave “if anyone must.”

Within the hour, the Senate had resumed its work and the House followed, returning the People’s House to the control of the people’s representatives. Lawmakers affirmed Biden’s election victory early the next morning, shell-shocked by the catastrophic failure of security.

https://apnews.com/article/us-capitol-attack-14c73ee280c256ab4ec193ac0f49ad54

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« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2021, 12:57:38 AM »
Again, the FBI has investigated this incident with every resource available to them.  They have arrested hundreds of people for mostly petty minor crimes.  They have found no evidence of any larger effort to "overthrow the US Government" because there is none.  This is a distraction from the very real disasters unfolding under Biden.  Pandemic cases are up 300% even with the vaccine widely available.  Afghanistan ended in chaos and more unnecessary deaths.  A drone strike was launched on a humanitarian aid worker and his family resulting in the deaths of many children to show that Biden was not weak and incompetent in the aftermath of the bombing at the Kabul airport.  The Biden administration has lied and covered up that incident to suggest they killed a terrorist.  How about investigating that with the same rigor as the Jan. 6 incident?  How about someone be held accountable for the lies and cover ups in Afghanistan that resulted in the deaths of thousands?  Where is Liz Cheney on that issue?  How about investigating her father as a war criminal for the intentional lies he told that resulted in untold numbers of deaths?

"No evidence" you say?  ;)


FBI seizes phone of Oath Keepers lawyer in 'seditious conspiracy' investigation

The FBI has seized the phone of a Texas attorney who volunteered for Lawyers for Trump and served as general counsel for the radical-right Oath Keepers organization as part of 'seditious conspiracy' investigation.

Kellye SoRelle, a close associate of Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes, was at the US Capitol during the January 6 riot and addressed the crowd in a speech repeating the false claims that Joe Biden had 'stolen' the election from Donald Trump.

This week, her iPhone was seized by the feds under an August 30 search warrant which cited an investigation into seditious conspiracy, civil disorder, false statements, destruction of government property, obstruction of Congress, and unlawful entry on restricted buildings or grounds.'

The seditious conspiracy charge refers to two or more people conspiring to overthrow or destroy the US government by force. It can also refer to hindering or delaying 'the execution of any law' and seizing possession of a federal building by force.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9977527/FBI-Seizes-phone-far-right-milita-group-lawyer-conspiracy-investigation.html

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« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2021, 07:01:48 PM »
"No evidence" you say?  ;)


FBI seizes phone of Oath Keepers lawyer in 'seditious conspiracy' investigation

The FBI has seized the phone of a Texas attorney who volunteered for Lawyers for Trump and served as general counsel for the radical-right Oath Keepers organization as part of 'seditious conspiracy' investigation.

Kellye SoRelle, a close associate of Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes, was at the US Capitol during the January 6 riot and addressed the crowd in a speech repeating the false claims that Joe Biden had 'stolen' the election from Donald Trump.

This week, her iPhone was seized by the feds under an August 30 search warrant which cited an investigation into seditious conspiracy, civil disorder, false statements, destruction of government property, obstruction of Congress, and unlawful entry on restricted buildings or grounds.'

The seditious conspiracy charge refers to two or more people conspiring to overthrow or destroy the US government by force. It can also refer to hindering or delaying 'the execution of any law' and seizing possession of a federal building by force.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9977527/FBI-Seizes-phone-far-right-milita-group-lawyer-conspiracy-investigation.html

No concern about the military and Biden administration lying to cover up the deaths of a family in Afghanistan who they falsely reported were terrorists after blowing them up in a drone strike.  Including numerous children.  The only thing that matters to you is that some protestors entered the Capitol back in Jan. 6?

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« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2021, 10:37:53 PM »
No concern about the military and Biden administration lying to cover up the deaths of a family in Afghanistan who they falsely reported were terrorists after blowing them up in a drone strike.  Including numerous children.  The only thing that matters to you is that some protestors entered the Capitol back in Jan. 6?

Going off topic and switching the subject isn't going to change the fact the seditious GOP members along with the "president" coordinated and planned an attempted coup with domestic terrorists to overthrow the US Government trying to stop the election certification by force. That is called treason, and yes, that matters to me and the overwhelming majority of Americans who also want it investigated. No concern from you for the dead officers and their families because of a Trump supporters attack on the United States?       

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« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2021, 01:04:50 AM »
Going off topic and switching the subject isn't going to change the fact the seditious GOP members along with the "president" coordinated and planned an attempted coup with domestic terrorists to overthrow the US Government trying to stop the election certification by force. That is called treason, and yes, that matters to me and the overwhelming majority of Americans who also want it investigated. No concern from you for the dead officers and their families because of a Trump supporters attack on the United States?     

Huh?  No officers were killed.  None.  That is another demonstrable lie.  Only one person was killed that day.  An unarmed female military vet shot by a police officer with a record of reckless dereliction of duty including leaving his firearm in the public restroom.  Her death, much like those of the children who died in Afghanistan as the result of Biden's incompetence, was barely reported by the left wing media seeking to protect Biden. 

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« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2021, 02:38:16 AM »
Huh?  No officers were killed.  None.  That is another demonstrable lie.  Only one person was killed that day.  An unarmed female military vet shot by a police officer with a record of reckless dereliction of duty including leaving his firearm in the public restroom.  Her death, much like those of the children who died in Afghanistan as the result of Biden's incompetence, was barely reported by the left wing media seeking to protect Biden.

An officer died on duty due to a stroke because of the intense situation he faced. Several officer committed suicide after this attack by Trump's domestic terrorists. The female vet was a domestic terrorist who was warned several times not to break through the Capitol window and she did anyway so she was shot. She was a serious danger to the lives of our elected officials who were targeted by her and her right wing thugs. The officer was a hero who saved the lives of our elected officials. Right wingers don't care about death of children in America due to gun violence and COVID but pretend to care about children in Afghanistan for a phony political issue. What a joke. Seems you forgot about Trump's debacle in Africa where 4 soldiers died and they were laughing about it. There is no "left wing media". CNN and MSNBC were pushing the same bogus propaganda like on Faux.               

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« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2021, 05:02:26 PM »
An officer died on duty due to a stroke because of the intense situation he faced. Several officer committed suicide after this attack by Trump's domestic terrorists. The female vet was a domestic terrorist who was warned several times not to break through the Capitol window and she did anyway so she was shot. She was a serious danger to the lives of our elected officials who were targeted by her and her right wing thugs. The officer was a hero who saved the lives of our elected officials. Right wingers don't care about death of children in America due to gun violence and COVID but pretend to care about children in Afghanistan for a phony political issue. What a joke. Seems you forgot about Trump's debacle in Africa where 4 soldiers died and they were laughing about it. There is no "left wing media". CNN and MSNBC were pushing the same bogus propaganda like on Faux.             

He died from a stroke caused by a blood clot.  It had no more connection to the events of Jan. 6 than any other death that occurred from natural causes.  In fact, he died the next day.  His death was falsely attributed to being struck with a fire extinguisher for months despite there being no basis for that conclusion.  It was yet another in a long line of fake media stories perpetuated to smear Trump that turned out to be baseless.  As you correctly note, the only person killed that day was an unarmed female military vet.  Shot at point blank range by an officer.  The investigation into her death was covered up to the extent that his name was not even revealed.  Like something from Commie China. 
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« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2021, 12:12:45 AM »
Of course there was a planned coordination to overthrow the US Government and keep Criminal Donald illegally in power. As more information comes out and the investigation continues, Criminal Donald and his cohorts will all go to prison for treason and crimes against the United States of America.   

'Absolutely terrifying': CNN's Jake Tapper reacts in horror to new revelations about Trump and Capitol riots

CNN host Jake Tapper on Tuesday reacted with horror after reporter Jamie Gangel broke down new details from the new bombshell book by Washington Post reporters Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.

While appearing on Tapper's show, Gangel explained the crucial role that Steve Bannon played in getting Trump to attend the January 6th "Stop the Steal" rally, which he hoped would severely damage President Joe BIden's tenure in office.

"December 30th -- when Trump is down in Mar-a-Lago, Steve Bannon's in Washington -- and Trump is complaining that the Republicans aren't doing enough for his effort," Gangel said. "And Bannon says to him... 'You've got to return to Washington right now, you've got to make a dramatic return."

Gangel went on to explain Bannon's thinking behind getting Trump to rail against the election results in front of his most rabid supporters on January 6th.

"[Bannon] calls January 6th a moment for reckoning, and then he goes even further," Gangel said. "This is about Bannon on Biden, and he says... 'We're going to bury Biden on January 6th, effing bury him.' This was, it sounds like from Woodward and Costa, that Bannon saw this as a moment to undermine Biden's legitimacy, and he goes on, according to the book, Bannon says, 'We're going to kill it in the crib, kill the Biden presidency in the crib.'"

"That is just absolutely terrifying," Tapper replied.


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« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2021, 01:33:06 AM »
He died from a stroke caused by a blood clot.  It had no more connection to the events of Jan. 6 than any other death that occurred from natural causes.  In fact, he died the next day.  His death was falsely attributed to being struck with a fire extinguisher for months despite there being no basis for that conclusion.  It was yet another in a long line of fake media stories perpetuated to smear Trump that turned out to be baseless.  As you correctly note, the only person killed that day was an unarmed female military vet.  Shot at point blank range by an officer.  The investigation into her death was covered up to the extent that his name was not even revealed.  Like something from Commie China.

The officer died from the intense situation he faced from the violent insurrectionists. Police were beaten by Trump thugs with weapons, objects, and a fire extinguisher. Ashli Babbitt was a deranged Qanon conspiracy theorist who intended to attack members of Congress. She was warned several times not to break through the Capitol window and she did anyway. It was her own fault. There was no "cover up" an investigation was done and the police officer who is an American hero was interviewed telling the entire story. There are no "baseless stories to smear Trump". Trump is a mentally ill deranged lunatic who attempted an illegal coup to remain in power and he ordered his thugs to storm the Capitol to overturn the certification from happening. That is clear treason.   

She was deep into it': Ashli Babbitt, killed in Capitol riot, was devoted conspiracy theorist
Babbitt, shot by police on Wednesday, saw storming of Capitol as a pivotal moment for the country

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/09/ashli-babbitt-capitol-mob-trump-qanon-conspiracy-theory


Trump biographer explains the biggest thing General Milley got wrong about the former president

Trump biographer Tim O'Brien penned a column on Tuesday explaining one big thing they new Bob Woodward/Bob Costa's book Peril gets wrong.

It was reported Tuesday that Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was terrified that Trump would go to war and launch a nuclear strike to try to stay in power. He went so far as to promise China that if Trump did something like that he'd flag it for China ahead of time.

Pelosi called Milley after the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol to ask about what "precautions are available to prevent an unstable president from initiating military hostilities," a transcript of the call said.

There were "a lot of checks in the system," Milley told her.

"He's crazy. You know he's crazy," Pelosi said. "He's crazy and what he did yesterday is further evidence of his craziness."

"I agree with you on everything," Milley answered.

The excerpt of the book also claimed that Milley believed Trump "suffered a mental decline after the election."

O'Brien explained that it may seem that Trump went "rogue" or became worse, but the reality is that "Trump was the same guy before and after the 2020 presidential election and on Jan. 6 that he was when he was elected in 2016."

In fact, Trump is the same guy he has been for decades, he explained.

"Love him or hate him, Trump is consistent and has stayed true to form for most of his 75 years. It's that authenticity that endears him to his supporters," O'Brien wrote.

For anyone watching closely, Trump's anger about 2020 is the same as his allegations of "voter fraud" in 2016 when he said that he actually won the popular vote because of millions of "illegal" votes. It's the same as the lie that his crowd at the inauguration was bigger than former President Barack Obama.

"The risks that the country, the rule of law and our institutions still confront stems from that reality," said O'Brien. "The Republican Party continues to embrace and foment Trumpism. Much could still go wrong. And we can't rely on military leaders going rogue to protect us from rogue presidents."

He said that the fact that Milley had to go around Trump proves how broken things are.

"Milley is a sophisticated and dedicated public servant, and he was well aware how his actions would appear," the column says.

"Milley also understands where all this might be headed," the piece closed. "He compared the Jan. 6 insurrection to the failed 1905 uprising in Russia. While the 1905 rebellion sputtered out and was repressed, it paved the way for the more seismic and indelible Russian Revolution of 1917."

Milley confessed to senior staffers that the Jan. 6 attack could have been "a precursor to something far worse down the road."

O'Brien said that Milley's options, not his actions, should be what causes fear.

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-obrien-woodward-book-milley/

 

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