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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
« Reply #112 on: August 11, 2021, 01:02:01 AM »
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'I doubt that anybody dictated to him about what he should or should not do'
> Oswald: 'I'm just a PATSY!'

Oops..
They ordered him to fake defect to the USSR, he then denounced (as part of this act) the US while in the Soviet Union, they ordered him back to the US, they ordered him to pretend to admire Castro, they ordered him to Mexico City to fake defect (or try to) to Cuba, they ordered him to bring his rifle to the TSBD.....

And he went along with all of this and much much more.

But having him say critical things about JFK was a bridge too far, was something he simply wouldn't do.

If he's pretending to be a Marxist, if he's pretending to admire Castro, if he's pretending to denounce the US, he's going to pretend to dislike Kennedy as part of this act. That's obvious to anyone.

But he didn't. Why not?

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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
« Reply #113 on: August 11, 2021, 01:05:54 AM »
'I doubt that anybody dictated to him about what he should or should not do'
> Oswald: 'I'm just a PATSY!'

Oops..

Hey stupid......   Lee being a freelance who created his own scenes , doesn't mean that others couldn't have used his antics for their own schemes.      And made him a scapegoat.       You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you.

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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
« Reply #114 on: August 11, 2021, 01:42:29 AM »


And there's that 1970 book by Albert H. Newman "The Assassination of John F. Kennedy: The Reasons Why".

The author tried to delve into Oswald's avowed Marxism. For one thing, he noticed that among the items found in Oswald's room at N. Beckley was a Soviet-era Turist radio. Newman thought it a shortwave radio; he took the cheapest shortwave radio he could buy to Oak Cliff and discovered the reception of the twice-nightly English broadcasts of Radio Havana was three-times stronger in Dallas than in New York City. Newman suggested that Oswald was being radicalized by the broadcasts.

James H. Johnston, in his 2019 book "Murder, Inc.: The CIA under John F. Kennedy" appears to have discredited Newman's claim.

                                       
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Newman was wrong, however, about the radio being a shortwave. The Turist has two frequency bands, which are known as long wave and medium wave, selected by buttons on the top. The medium-wave band is the same as A M radio in the United States. Short waves travel farther than the long wave bands. That Newman was able to pick up Radio Havana in Dallas on a short-wave frequency isn't surprising, but picking up Cuban stations on the frequencies that Oswald's radio was designed for might be harder. Frequencies used for A M radio travel well over water at night but degrade within a short distance after reaching land. therefore, while a Cuban station operating on the A M band might be heard at night along the Gulf Coast, Oswald might have had difficulty hearing it inland in Dallas. On the other hand, an amateur radio operator in Dallas, contacted for this book, said that he is able to pick up shortwave transmissions from Cuba on a frequency that is just above the A M radio band.

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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
« Reply #115 on: August 11, 2021, 01:50:42 AM »
They ordered him to fake defect to the USSR, he then denounced (as part of this act) the US while in the Soviet Union, they ordered him back to the US, they ordered him to pretend to admire Castro, they ordered him to Mexico City to fake defect (or try to) to Cuba, they ordered him to bring his rifle to the TSBD.....

And he went along with all of this and much much more.

But having him say critical things about JFK was a bridge too far, was something he simply wouldn't do.

If he's pretending to be a Marxist, if he's pretending to admire Castro, if he's pretending to denounce the US, he's going to pretend to dislike Kennedy as part of this act. That's obvious to anyone.

But he didn't. Why not?

Dr Hartogs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald#cite_note-WarrenChapter7-18

"Lee has to be diagnosed as "personality pattern disturbance with schizoid features and passive-aggressive tendencies". Lee has to be seen as an emotionally, quite disturbed youngster who suffers under the impact of really existing emotional isolation and deprivation, lack of affection, absence of family life and rejection by a self involved and conflicted mother."[17]

[17] Chapter 7: Lee Harvey Oswald: Background and Possible Motives
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-7.html#newyork
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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
« Reply #116 on: August 11, 2021, 02:07:53 AM »
Dr Hartogs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald#cite_note-WarrenChapter7-18

"Lee has to be diagnosed as "personality pattern disturbance with schizoid features and passive-aggressive tendencies". Lee has to be seen as an emotionally, quite disturbed youngster who suffers under the impact of really existing emotional isolation and deprivation, lack of affection, absence of family life and rejection by a self involved and conflicted mother."[17]

[17] Chapter 7: Lee Harvey Oswald: Background and Possible Motives
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-7.html#newyork

Hey Crapman.... This is nothing new.... It's the same old BS you liars have been trying to sell for the last half century....

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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
« Reply #117 on: August 11, 2021, 06:52:16 AM »

Do the Math!

JohnM

High school drop-outs are the last people you should be asking to do anything at all, let alone the math..

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
« Reply #118 on: August 11, 2021, 07:17:18 AM »
Hey stupid......   Lee being a freelance who created his own scenes , doesn't mean that others couldn't have used his antics for their own schemes.      And made him a scapegoat.       You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you.

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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
« Reply #119 on: August 11, 2021, 01:16:45 PM »
John, we had this claim - it's the only one that I know of where Oswald allegedly was critical of JFK - from Volkmar Schmidt. This is from the PBS special "Who was Lee Harvey Oswald?".

NARRATOR: "At a party in February 1963, Oswald was introduced to oil geologist Volkmar Schmidt. The two hunkered down by a window to talk politics.

VOLKMAR SCHMIDT: "Lee Harvey Oswald brought up in the conversation with me the fact that he really felt very angry about the support which the Kennedy administration gave to the Bay of Pigs invasion. It turned out that Lee Harvey Oswald really idealized socialism of Cuba, while he was critical of the socialism in the Soviet Union. And he was just obsessed with his anger towards Kennedy."

Schmidt's problem re credibility is that he was interviewed shortly after the assassination by the FBI and he said he and Oswald never discussed politics in their discussion. And nowhere in the FBI interview did he mention the above obsession by LHO. His story is simply not credible to me.

On the other hand, it's very odd that if Oswald was pretending to be a Marxist, pretending to be a supporter of Castro's that anti-Kennedy views wouldn't be part of this cover or "legend." In other words, if he's told to be a pro-Castro supporter or a Marxist, wouldn't part of that act consist of expressing anti-Kennedy views? It makes no sense otherwise. Why pretend to dislike the US and not also pretend to dislike the head of that country?

Oswald was a complicated guy but as someone of the Left, I don’t see how supporting Marxism equates to disliking the US. One can criticize capitalism and racism (Oswald did both but so too did MLK Jr) while not disliking the US as a whole.

Of course, in the early 1960s it made no difference. Being labeled a “Commie” was almost as bad as being labeled a Nazi.

In other words, the nuances of Oswald’s views didn’t matter at the time when JFK was murdered. The facts that he was a self-identified Marxist and had lived in the USSR looked bad enough in the court of public opinion.
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