Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?

[Robert Reeves]

Also, just so you know, @Jerry Organ, Marvin Wise stated to FBI 03/06/92.

The prisoners he escorted that day were released, that day, not 2 or 3 days, as the Doyle tramp character stated. No the tramps Marvin Wise escorted were released THAT DAY, DAY OF THE ASSASSINATION.



Doyle's FBI interview in 1992, also.



The reason you are mixed up is because there were two groups of tramps arrested. The lot with cops Marvin Wise, Billy Bass, William Chambers, and a group of tramps arrested immediately after the assassination, which I believe were the tramps Harold Doyle, John Gedney, and Gus Abrams.

Harold Doyle stated there were arrested immediately after the assassination and walked past angry crowds. Well there are no crowds in the series of three tramps photos. 

[Jerry Organ]

An easy to make error on your part. The cop now in front, in the lead, is actually Billy Bass (in this particular photo you've posted). Who was at the rear in the first picture, the picture showing Wise with the strange earpiece. See, they've changed a bit, Marvin Wise has gone from the frame. But nice try.

If this is Wise, the cotton is no longer there.

That's what you get when all you want to do is just debunk everything, for the sake of it.

I posted pictures I thought proved my point, just like you did. In this case, I was wrong. Now you admit you're wrong about the "arrest reports" requiring a thumb-print.

Also, just so you know, @Jerry Organ, Marvin Wise stated to FBI 03/06/92.

The prisoners he escorted that day were released, that day, not 2 or 3 days, as the Doyle tramp character stated. No the tramps Marvin Wise escorted were released THAT DAY, DAY OF THE ASSASSINATION.

Given that it's going on thirty years for these memories, I doubt Wise would have accurately recalled, and if he did, the deputy could have been mistaken. The "investigative prisoners" were not held at the county jail for long, being sent to the city jail. Could be someone thought they were "released" from county.

Doyle's FBI interview in 1992, also.

The reason you are mixed up is because there were two groups of tramps arrested. The lot with cops Marvin Wise, Billy Bass, William Chambers, and a group of tramps arrested immediately after the assassination, which I believe were the tramps Harold Doyle, John Gedney, and Gus Abrams.

Harold Doyle stated there were arrested immediately after the assassination and walked past angry crowds. Well there are no crowds in the series of three tramps photos. 

Sorry, but there was only one group of "tramps". I would guess the shadows show them walking along Houston about 2:30 PM. The Star-Telegram photographer who took the photo of the tramps by the gates arrived there about 2 PM. A photo (that showed the rooftop clock) taken just before the tramps photo shows the time as 2:19.

We don't have 1963-era photos of Doyle, Gedney and Abrams making a direct match-up difficult. Doyle and Gedney were still alive in 1992 and confirmed they were two of the tramps in the photographs. Wise and Roy Vaughn also identified the three tramps in the photos as Doyle, Gedney and Abrams.

If the walk-through of the Group A tramps was "immediately" after the assassination (when you contend there would have been "crowds") then pictures of that would have been taken, probably before 1 PM. Freelance photographer Jim Murray was in the Plaza until 1:15., leaving a few minutes to get film and shooting more film until 1:45. Newspaper photographer William Allen began shooting film in the Plaza about 12:40; he took pictures of one tramp parade, the 2:30 PM one.

[Richard Smith]

Imagine that CTers have gone over this case to the extent that an apparent cotton ball in the ear of a cop has become a topic but they still can't construct any plausible alternative narrative that explains away the evidence against Oswald. 

[Walt Cakebread]

Of all of these questions the two that are most striking to me are: "Why not plant witnesses in Dealey Plaza who say they saw Oswald shoot JFK?" and "Why not have Ruth Paine or Marina or Norman/Jarman/Williams more fully implicate Oswald in the shooting" Such as, he expressed hatred towards JFK, they saw him with a large package that morning, et cetera. Conspiracy believers say that there were all kinds of government agents or assets at the scene of the shooting. But none came forward and said they saw Oswald shoot from the window. Why not?

Hell, why not plant a note/letter from Oswald after Ruby shot him admitting guilt and giving his reasons, e.g., he hated the US, JFK was waging war on his hero Castro, et cetera? Oswald is dead. He can't refute it. One of the key points that Oswald defenders always raise is the question of motive. Well, here's the way to answer it.

If these powerful groups who were allegedly behind the assassination wanted to frame Oswald they could have done many more things to implicate him. But they didn't.

"Why not plant witnesses in Dealey Plaza who say they saw Oswald shoot JFK?"   

Answer .... Because Lee did not shoot JFK...... And if someone had swore they saw Lee shoot JFK and then someone like Marrion Baker ( for example) or some other person swore that he had seen LHO at a time when it made the witness statement obvious BS .....The police( if it had been a honest investigation)  would have called the witness and questioned  WHY they had reported something that they couldn't possibly have seen.....

You're not using your head......

The the number of people who knew of the plot to murder JFK had to be kept to a very small group.....The more people with knowledge of the plot, the greater the danger of the plot being discovered and foiled.   

[John Mytton]

"Why not plant witnesses in Dealey Plaza who say they saw Oswald shoot JFK?"   

Answer .... Because Lee did not shoot JFK...... And if someone had swore they saw Lee shoot JFK and then someone like Marrion Baker ( for example) or some other person swore that he had seen LHO at a time when it made the witness statement obvious BS .....The police( if it had been a honest investigation)  would have called the witness and questioned  WHY they had reported something that they couldn't possibly have seen.....

You're not using your head......

The the number of people who knew of the plot to murder JFK had to be kept to a very small group.....The more people with knowledge of the plot, the greater the danger of the plot being discovered and foiled.   

The the number of people who knew of the plot to murder JFK had to be kept to a very small group.....

Huh?, In practically every one of your thousands of posts you seem to implicate someone new, for instance just in the above post you are already suggesting the Police hadn't been honest, exactly who else besides the Dallas Police was responsible and why? And if there was even one group beyond the Dallas Police, wouldn't that make a conspiracy that wasn't very small?

JohnM

[Charles Collins]

I ask why no credible evidence of a conspiracy has been uncovered after all these years. And get treated to the absurd photo of what appears to be the outline of a flask of booze under the pants leg of one of the hobos! How paranoid do you have to be to believe that it looks like a walkie talkie? 

[Robert Reeves]

It's interesting how suddenly now the cop has bad memory. Marvin Wise confirmed in his FBI statement the three tramps he escorted from the railtracks were released ... it appears ... IMMEDIATELY upon being taken in. No questioning, just released.

[Alan Ford]

I told you before that Oswald was speaking in future tense, after Oswald ran into Baker and Truly on the 2nd floor Oswald made no secret that he went outside but if he was trying to create an alibi surely even you must agree he would have used past tense and explain "then I went outside and watched the P.Parade"

Besides we have Oswald himself on film no less, agreeing that he was inside which is totally corroborated by his interrogators.

Reporter:  "Were you in the building at the time?"
Oswald:  "Naturally, if I work in that building, yes sir."

And please don't try on your absurd notion that the outside steps were somehow inside because the outside steps as described by his workmates were outside.

Mr. LOVELADY - That's on the second floor; so, I started going to the domino room where I generally went in to set down and eat and nobody was there and I happened to look on the outside and Mr. Shelley was standing outside with Miss Sarah Stanton, I believe her name is, and I said, "Well, I'll go out there and talk with them, sit down and eat my lunch out there, set on the steps," so I went out there.

Mr. BALL - You were standing where?
Mr. SHELLEY - Just outside the glass doors there.
Mr. BALL - That would be on the top landing of the entrance?
Mr. SHELLEY - yes.

Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; not right then I didn't. I say, you know, he was supposed to come by during our lunch hour so you don't get very many chances to see the President of the United States and being an old Texas boy, and [he] never having been down to Texas very much I went out there to see him and just like everybody else was, I was standing on the steps there and watched for the parade to come by and so I did and I stood there until he come by

Sarah Stanton who was on the steps described to the FBI that after hearing the shots "immediately went into the building".



JohnM

Tsk, tsk, Mr Mytton these weak copes of yours have already been dealt with multiple times....................

-Since 2019 the claim that Mr Oswald never placed himself outside for the motorcade is dead
-In the exchange with the reporter, Mr Oswald simply and snippily confirms that he was at his place of employment at the time of the shooting
-The enclosed, roofed front entrance steps are at once part of the building (not out on the street) and outside

So! I repeat my question: Why was Mr Oswald's claim in custody that he "went outside to watch P. Parade" suppressed in all the official interrogation reports?