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Online Jon Banks

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Re: JFK Revisited currently has a Rotten Tomato score of 55%
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2021, 07:58:50 PM »
So a bunch of establishment media outlets have panned the documentary. Shocking! Say it ain't so. What a surprise. By the way, on IMDB, the documentary has a rating of 7.9 out of 10, but of course you went and cherry picked only the negative reviews.

The documentary is actually quite good. It's a huge improvement over the movie JFK.

That's good to hear. I'm looking forward to watching it.

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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2021, 09:46:02 PM »
Am I missing something, how are people reviewing JFK Revisited ... I am unable to even find any streaming service, etc, that is showing it. I'm in UK, is this available in USA yet?

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Re: JFK Revisited currently has a Rotten Tomato score of 55%
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2021, 10:28:15 PM »
Am I missing something, how are people reviewing JFK Revisited ... I am unable to even find any streaming service, etc, that is showing it. I'm in UK, is this available in USA yet?

The reviewers were in Cannes where the documentary was screened for them in a theatre. They also has an open-air screening (Cinema de la Plage) of the 1991 "JFK" movie.



Now we know where our $200+ monthly media bill goes.

(An illegal pirated copy of "JFK Revisited" will probably be available on YouTube soon.)

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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2021, 01:39:16 AM »
McCloy should not be in this group. There is no place for the bullet exiting JFK's throat to go but into JBC's back. McCloy also states this very point.  Mr. McCLOY  - Warren Commission Member to the HSCA about SBT...........
Frankly, I don't think he knew exactly when he was hit. I saw his recent testimony-- at least somebody reported to me, perhaps indirectly, that he wasn't as certain now as when he first appeared before us [Really? So who was that un-named indirect somebody?] --before our Commission when I don't know where that bullet could have gone if it didn't go through Governor Connally.... he said he was sure it wasn't the same shot which hit President Kennedy which hit him.
John Connally was absolutely "sure" about his being wounded--- but the Commission group would not accept this unrestricted certainty--- obviously because it did not fit the 6th window only account. Shabby and downright pathetic!
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Truth A lone gunman narrative is our only client.


The Warren Report stated: "There was no question in the mind of any member of the Commission that all the shots which caused the President's and Governor Connally's wounds were fired from the sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository." This is something at that time that all members agreed to. Yet, Freeman, whose motto is "I am not a 'CT'", wants (showing his bias) to have most of the Commissioners be CTs.
The whole purpose of the Commission was leave no question. So why all the questions to this day? Where did I say "I want to have" anything. I just quoted *wikipedia is all. Skepticism is not bias but Organ is quite obviously bias. Show where I advanced any conspiracy theory. I just shamelessly question the official theory.   
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Skepticism--- Four of the seven members of the commission, Boggs, Cooper, McCloy, and Russell, had serious doubts regarding the conclusions of the commission that the President and Governor Connally were both wounded by the "magic bullet" and regarding the view that Oswald had acted alone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Commission#Skepticism
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Re: JFK Revisited currently has a Rotten Tomato score of 56%
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2021, 01:57:42 AM »
John Connally was absolutely "sure" about his being wounded--- but the Commission group would not accept this unrestricted certainty--- obviously because it did not fit the 6th window only account. Shabby and downright pathetic!  The whole purpose of the Commission was leave no question. So why all the questions to this day?

Because CTs and the so-called "skeptics" (LOL!) lack the investigative training of the Commission staff and federal/state police agencies and labs. The anti-vaccine and Climate Change deniers don't understand science and think the government and scientists are lying to them.

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Where did I say "I want to have" anything.

    "The majority of the very Commission itself "had serious doubts" regarding their
     own conclusions!! So, would that not have made [by definition established here
     on this forum by the anti-skeptics] these gentlemen 'conspiracy theorists'?"

To which I responded: "Yet, Freeman, whose motto is "I am not a 'CT'", wants (showing his bias) to have most of the Commissioners be CTs."

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I just quoted *wikipedia is all. Skepticism is not bias but Organ is quite obviously bias. Show where I advanced any conspiracy theory. I just shamelessly question the official theory.   
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Commission#Skepticism
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Nah, you're a Conspiracy Theorist, no matter how you dress it up. LNers are like the WC staff: Truth is our only client.

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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2021, 12:03:54 AM »
The trailer looks great. Surprised this hasn't been picked up yet by any of the major streaming services. Sounds like Whoopi Goldberg is the narrator.


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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2021, 03:08:03 AM »
Because CTs and the so-called "skeptics" (LOL!) lack the investigative training of the Commission staff and federal/state police agencies and labs. The anti-vaccine and Climate Change deniers don't understand science and think the government and scientists are lying to them.

    "The majority of the very Commission itself "had serious doubts" regarding their
     own conclusions!! So, would that not have made [by definition established here
     on this forum by the anti-skeptics] these gentlemen 'conspiracy theorists'?"

To which I responded: "Yet, Freeman, whose motto is "I am not a 'CT'", wants (showing his bias) to have most of the Commissioners be CTs."

Nah, you're a Conspiracy Theorist, no matter how you dress it up. LNers are like the WC staff: Truth is our only client.

This will be distressing to you Mr O....   But I've noticed that the CT contingent is starting to sing in harmony.   For nearly 60 years the Ct's have been a discordant bunch..... They recognized that the WR was a pile of BS....but they couldn't agree on an alternative to the WR.     Primarily because most of them simply could not accept that "Good ol Unca Sam" was no better than a pimp dictator in some banana state .    They all wanted to find an evil boogie man like the Mafia, or the commies,  to hang the blame on.  Now that we've seen the corrupt politicians stealing elections and billions of our tax dollars, I perceive the citizens are starting to awake.   They are now willing to accept that the murder of President Kennedy was nothing but an old fashioned coup d e'tat....   

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Re: JFK Revisited currently has a Rotten Tomato score of 56%
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2021, 04:39:46 AM »
This will be distressing to you Mr O....   But I've noticed that the CT contingent is starting to sing in harmony.   For nearly 60 years the Ct's have been a discordant bunch..... They recognized that the WR was a pile of BS....but they couldn't agree on an alternative to the WR.     Primarily because most of them simply could not accept that "Good ol Unca Sam" was no better than a pimp dictator in some banana state .    They all wanted to find an evil boogie man like the Mafia, or the commies,  to hang the blame on.  Now that we've seen the corrupt politicians stealing elections and billions of our tax dollars, I perceive the citizens are starting to awake.   They are now willing to accept that the murder of President Kennedy was nothing but an old fashioned coup d e'tat....   

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But I've noticed that the CT contingent is starting to sing in harmony.

Huh, it's the exact opposite. With every passing year, the CT's can't agree on anything and just keep piling more and more diverse BS onto the pile and any chance of unification has long since passed.
You need a leader to herd the sheep and just stick to a conspiracy that you can all agree on but as if that will ever happen.
Sorry Walt but your long lost hopes of a utopia where you can all frolic through the Tulips will never come to pass and as we all die out, the only truth that remains will be the irrefutable Official Version, you know the one that was reinforced a decade and a half later by the HSCA.

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Re: JFK Revisited currently has a Rotten Tomato score of 55%
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2021, 12:52:19 PM »
quote"Sorry Walt but your long lost hopes of a utopia where you can all frolic through the Tulips will never come to pass and as we all die out, the only truth that remains will be the irrefutable Official Version, you know the one that was reinforced a decade and a half later by the HSCA." /quote


"Irrerfutable Official Version" ROTFLMAO

"Reinforced a decade and a half later by the HSCA" RONTFLMAOEH.

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« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2021, 08:12:21 PM »
Huh, it's the exact opposite. With every passing year, the CT's can't agree on anything and just keep piling more and more diverse BS onto the pile and any chance of unification has long since passed.
You need a leader to herd the sheep and just stick to a conspiracy that you can all agree on but as if that will ever happen.
Sorry Walt but your long lost hopes of a utopia where you can all frolic through the Tulips will never come to pass and as we all die out, the only truth that remains will be the irrefutable Official Version, you know the one that was reinforced a decade and a half later by the HSCA.

JohnM

JohnM.... JohnM..... JooooohhhhhhnnnnnMMM, identify and eliminate the irrelevant coincidences and you'll begin to convince a lot of us that, "acting alone, the lone nut, blah, blah, blah..." isn't the hinky BS these "background details," seem to indicate!

IOW, you don't know anymore than I do, here's why. (If you don't like being hit over the head by the equivalent of an evidentiary, "two X four," don't post like you're begging for it to happen.)

In 1955, this guy William B. Macomber, Jr. is 12 years out of wartime, accelerated Yale University graduation.

Bear in mind, there were only seven Warren Commissioners, one DeMohrenschildt, one lone nut.
Yale "turned out," just fifteen "bonesmen" annually.

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https://www.nytimes.com/1946/10/27/archives/miss-nancy-bush-becomes-a-bride-she-is-attended-by-nine-at-marriage.html?searchResultPosition=4



November, 1956 :


The date is Sept. 23, 1960 :


Again JohnM, only one George DeM, one "lone nut," seven Warren Commissioners, fifteen Yales Bonesmen tapped annually.

Three Bonesmen were Nancy Bush's father Prescott, brother George, husband Alexander Ellis, Yale football teammate of William Macomber.

https://www.nytimes.com/1973/09/25/archives/hunt-says-he-fabricated-cables-on-diem-to-link-kennedy-to-killing.html
Hunt Says He Fabricated Cables on Diem to Link Kennedy to ...
Sep 25, 1973 — Howard Hunt Jr. said today that he had fabricated State Depart ment cables to show a link between President Kennedy and the assassination of ...

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/Watergate/Watergate%20Items%2002196%20to%2002394/Watergate%2002386.pdf
May 9, 1973


Page five of sixth, Dan Hardaway of the HSCA investigative staff interviewed Cynthia Thomas.:

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32263513.pdf


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_B._Macomber_Jr.
William B. Macomber Jr. -
In 1978, Macomber became the first full-time president of the Metropolitan Museum of Art. As president, he oversaw implementation of the MMA's master plan ...

Two of the seven Warren Commissioners were Sen. John Sherman Cooper (R-KY), "tapped for Bones" in 1922, husband of Lorraine Mcadoo Shevlin, widow of Robert Mcadoo, brother of Nona Mcadoo de Mohrenschildt.





So, William Macomber served at least four Bonesmen, including Sen. John Sherman Cooper...

Robert, Francis (see quote box, below) and Nona Mcadoo's step-mother :

William Gibbs McAdoo was 26 years older than Eleanor Wilson.:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_Wilson_McAdoo
Eleanor Randolph Wilson McAdoo (October 16, 1889 – April 5, 1967)
...She was born on October 16, 1889 to Woodrow Wilson and Ellen Axson Wilson in Middletown, Connecticut. She was educated at Saint Mary's School, an Episcopal boarding school for girls in Raleigh, North Carolina.[1][2]
She married William Gibbs McAdoo, Wilson's Secretary of the Treasury, at the White House on May 7, 1914.[3] They had two daughters: Ellen Wilson McAdoo (1915–1946)[4] and Mary Faith McAdoo (1920–1988).[5] She divorced McAdoo in July 1935.[6]

You are not invisible, Tom.  Far from it.  Many descendants of whom you post about are reading with great aplomb.

Mark, it's just too complicated... (The bromo-seltzer convergence)

Some of US Treasury Secretary William McAdoo's children :

https://gw.geneanet.org/tdowling?lang=en&n=mcadoo&oc=0&p=william+gibbs
Francis Huger McAdoo 1889- Married dau. of Emerson, their son, Francis Huger McAdoo Jr. was Princeton classmate of Lem Billings and Nicholas Katzenbach & became president of Emerson Drug. Katzenbach's schoolmates at Exeter were Cogswell and his friend, Richard Ober of Operation Chaos notoriety... Patsy Southgate and Richard were in brother Nathaniel Ober's wedding party, Cogswell's parents attended as guests.

Nona Hazlehurst McAdoo 1893-1971  Married in 1917 to Ferdinand de Mohrenschildt †1919

Robert Hazlehurst McAdoo 1900- First spouse became wife of Warren Commissioner Sen. John Sherman Cooper
 


Patsy Southgate was well connected with the Paris Review staff in Paris when Tom Devine's partner, John Train was Paris Review business manager, Tom Devine met with DeMohrenschildt two weeks after DeMohrenschildt asked Oswald, "Lee, how did you miss?"

Joseph Dryer, who Cogswell introduced to the HSCA, also met with DeMohrenschildt on the same day, April 25, 1963, as Devine did. Joseph Dryer to Joan Mellen that Tom Devine was his closest friend in Rochester, NY.

Devine's Sigma Chi housemate at M.I.T., a home of 16 fraternity brothers in residence, was Priscilla Johnson's CIA handler, Garry Coit.

"John Sherman Cooper: The Global Kentuckian books.google.com › books
Robert Schulman · 2021
FOUND INSIDE
I hear John Cooper has been seeing a lot of Lorraine Shevlin.” Lorraine Rowan McAdoo Shevlin a well-educated, unusually charming “grass widow,” often ..."

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/17688-lem-billings-george-de-mohrenschildt-lee-harvey-oswald/?tab=comments#comment-225401
Saturday, May 7, 2011

"Jim DiEugenio's presentation from NID 2010

"...George de Mohrenschildt knew Bush from his old geology days. The fact that de Mohrenschildt was interviewed by the CIA before he went to Haiti and did not tell him [bush] about his acquaintance with Oswald, or about the upcoming coup attempt in Haiti, this somehow became suspicious,... In my opinion de Mohrenschildt didn’t even know what he was doing with Oswald. And he didn’t know until after the fact...."

What would have to be discovered to persuade someone of Jim DiEugenio's stature and accomplishment related to JFK assassination research, analysis, and historical review, to persuade him to stop communicating the opinions I have quoted above?

I would have thought there was already enough information out there, to dispel the notions that, at the time, in late 1962 into early 1963, De Mohrenschildt was an unwitting escort of Lee Harvey Oswald and his wife, Marina. I would have thought there was too great an amount of troubling information linking GHW Bush and his intimates, Ed Hooker and Tom Devine to De Mohrenschildt to discourage anyone as knowledgeable as Jim DiEugenio from distributing such strong opinions.

Jim offers his opinion that Bush was involved in an October "surprise" in 1980, indicating, at least to me, that it is not necessary for there to be strong evidence to influence Jim to take a position on whether or not Bush conspired to commit a major crime against the state.

If Russ Baker had never authored "Family of Secrets" the connections between De Mohrenschildt and the Oswalds, and De Mohrenschildt and Ed Hooker, Bush, and Devine would still exist. It would still be necessary to determine if these connections were merely coincidental of a criminally conspiratorial nature.

Jim seems to be saying he is not interfering with the work of determining the above, because he says he believes there are numerous other reasons to convict Bush of crimes and to jail him. I cannot agree with this opinion, because I think Jim is saying Russ Baker fell woefully short of making his case, which was too farfetched a case to pursue, and besides, we as researchers, have better things to do with our time and effort, that there is more potentially fertile ground to plow than to work to make the determinations I described above, in our quests to turn up information that will help to rule out what is coincidence and devote our attention to what is evidence or a solid lead.

My take on this is that the connections I described above, the same names displayed in the thread title, have not been determined to be coincidental, even after all of these years. More effort must be put in to attempt to separate coincidences from leads, not less.

On other threads, I've posted recent related curiousities I've stumbled upon.

De Mohrenschildt rented a room in Washington, DC in May, 1942, from a US Navy officer named Paul Joachim who was the stepson of the designer of the Underwood Code Machine, aka, the kata-kana typewriter. Joachim retired from the navy in 1954 at the rank of rear admiral, pursued his life long passion for art, and was killed in Chicago in 1962 in a still unsolved murder by multiple gunshots.

Another naval officer was living at Joachim's house in May, 1942. His name was Harry Hull, he was a WWII submarine commander, retired from the navy with the rank of rear admiral, and was married from 1939 until his death, to a first cousin of James Kelsey Cogswell, III. Hull's mother was widowed in 1920 and married again in 1925 to a man whose brother became a four star US Navy admiral.

In 1953, James Kelsey Cogswell, III married the first cousin of Bush's best friend, Will Farish III. At his wedding ceremony with Joan Farish, Cogswell's best man was WWII US Navy, PT boat Squadron 7 radar officer and silver star medalist, George Olin Walbridge, 2d.

Walbridge served in Squadron 7 in New Guineau during WWII with PT-129 navy officer and fellow silver star medalist, Francis H. McAdoo, Jr., Lt. (jg) USNR.

McAdoo was the nephew of Ferdinand De Mohrenschildt's widow, Nona McAdoo, the sister of Francis H. McAdoo, Jr's father.

New York Times - Mar 26, 1939

...Mr. McAdoo had Arthur Pew Gorman of Stevenson, Md., for his best man, and the ushers were K. Lemoyn Billings and Robert Bell Deford Jr. of Baltimore,...

"..Mr. McAdoo is a grandson of former United States Senator William Gibbs McAdoo of California and, on the maternal side, of Mrs. Isaac E. Emerson of Baltimore. He went to St. Paul's School at Concord, N. H., and w as a member of the calss of '38 at Princeton University...."

In addition to being Lem Billings's close friend from Princeton University, this newly emerged, American relative of George De Mohrenschildt, became president of Emerson Drug Co. and appointed Billings as V.P. Francis H. McAdoo, Jr's WWII fellow navy PT boat officer, George O. Walbridge, 2d, was hired as an Emerson Drug Co. marketing executive and worked for the company until his retirement. The first link in this post contains a photo of Billings and Walbridge in Cuba in 1955.



(Reminder, everything posted below the EducationForum link above is from May, 2011...)
The post immediately before the linked post displays details of James aka Jake, aka Jack Cogswell's relationship with AMRAZZ-1, aka Joaquin Godoy.

Elmer H. Bobst's Warner-Lambert acquired Emerson Drug Co. in 1953, and Billings left the company in 1958. McAdoo stayed on.

Isn't it at all curious that Lem Billings relationships with two PT boat winners of silver star medals for heroic combat performances in the Pacific theater during WWII was never reported by the press, before or after JFK's assassination, or by the WC or HSCA, or by Lem Billings, himself?

http://www.jfklibrary.org/Asset-Viewer/Archives/KLBPP.aspx "

Better start another thread....

And Yale Law School graduate and unelected POTUS and Warren Commissioner Gerald Ford, as the HSCA inquiry was heating up, appoints the recent chairman of the republican party, a man purported to have no experience in the field of intelligence collection and analysis, as DCI.

Less than a 1-1/2 years later, Billy Lord "fingers" BEAMIS as advisor to Bush's "emissary," Henry Hurt, on how best to coerce Billy Lord into talking about Lee Harvey Oswald!



https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=9963#relPageId=175


https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=12758#relPageId=2






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