Author Topic: Poll: 51% of Republicans Expect Change in Election Outcome from Ballot Reviews  (Read 382 times)

Online Steve M. Galbraith

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This is simply not believable. Or maybe too believable. Here's the nut graf from the piece - and I do mean nut.

"51 percent [of respondents] think the reviews [of state election votes] will uncover information that will change the election’s outcome. The results follow another survey which found that roughly 3 in 10 Republicans say it’s at least somewhat likely that Trump will be reinstated as president this year..."

Are these people literally insane? Or just unbelievably ill informed? There is no legal method for Trump to be reinstated as president. None. Nothing in the Constitution permits it. Do they think the Supreme Court will rule Biden's election as invalid and put Trump in office?

Until Republican voters get over this Trump cult belief system they have no credibility to run a school board much less a country.

Full story/link here: https://morningconsult.com/2021/06/16/trump-election-reviews-gop-2022/
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Online Otto Beck

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Is the Warren cult belief system any different?

Online Richard Smith

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This is simply not believable. Or maybe too believable. Here's the nut graf from the piece - and I do mean nut.

"51 percent [of respondents] think the reviews [of state election votes] will uncover information that will change the election’s outcome. The results follow another survey which found that roughly 3 in 10 Republicans say it’s at least somewhat likely that Trump will be reinstated as president this year..."

Are these people literally insane? Or just unbelievably ill informed? There is no legal method for Trump to be reinstated as president. None. Nothing in the Constitution permits it. Do they think the Supreme Court will rule Biden's election as invalid and put Trump in office?

Until Republican voters get over this Trump cult belief system they have no credibility to run a school board much less a country.

Full story/link here: https://morningconsult.com/2021/06/16/trump-election-reviews-gop-2022/

How many dems believe Trump "colluded" with Russia to win the 2016 election after nearly four years of nonstop promotion of that fake story by the media?  How many believe there was a Russian bounty on US soldiers?  How many believe a Capitol police officer was killed by protestors on Jan. 6 after the press falsely reported that he had been hit with a fire extinguisher (and the autopsy was kept secret for months showing that he died of natural causes)?  How many believed Trump made a phone call demanding that Georgia officials "find the fraud"?  Those are all nutty and debunked stories that most Dems continue to believe.

Online Steve M. Galbraith

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How many dems believe Trump "colluded" with Russia to win the 2016 election after nearly four years of nonstop promotion of that fake story by the media?  How many believe there was a Russian bounty on US soldiers?  How many believe a Capitol police officer was killed by protestors on Jan. 6 after the press falsely reported that he had been hit with a fire extinguisher (and the autopsy was kept secret for months showing that he died of natural causes)?  How many believed Trump made a phone call demanding that Georgia officials "find the fraud"?  Those are all nutty and debunked stories that most Dems continue to believe.
They're thinking "nutty things" too. I don't see how pointing to other "nuttiness" is a response to this "nuttiness"?

If you want to be consistent you have to reject this type of conspiracy thinking from wherever it comes from. Is there a bias here? Is the media pushing one more than the other? Absolutely. I had a post about the "lab leak" hypothesis and how the bias of the media suppressed that question. We can add: the collusion story, the Lafayette Park protest story, the bounty story....it's not a small list. But that's a different matter.
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They're thinking "nutty things" too. I don't see how pointing to other "nuttiness" is a response to this "nuttiness"?

If you want to be consistent you have to reject this type of conspiracy thinking from wherever it comes from. Is there a bias here? Is the media pushing one more than the other? Absolutely. I had a post about the "lab leak" hypothesis and how the bias of the media suppressed that question. We can add: the collusion story, the Lafayette Park protest story, the bounty story....it's not a small list. But that's a different matter.

Then why single out one instance to imply that all Trump supporters are nuts when there are multiple examples of crazies on the other side?  How about starting threads on all those falsehoods.  There are right wing and left wing kooks.

Online Richard Smith

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They're thinking "nutty things" too. I don't see how pointing to other "nuttiness" is a response to this "nuttiness"?

If you want to be consistent you have to reject this type of conspiracy thinking from wherever it comes from. Is there a bias here? Is the media pushing one more than the other? Absolutely. I had a post about the "lab leak" hypothesis and how the bias of the media suppressed that question. We can add: the collusion story, the Lafayette Park protest story, the bounty story....it's not a small list. But that's a different matter.

Trump's personality leads him to deal in absolutes and often overstate conclusions.  Everything is the biggest or greatest.  That provides fodder for his numerous critics to claim that he lied.  In the case of the 2020 election, he overstated the claim that it was "stolen."  That was not the case.  But the claim contains elements of truth.  Nearly every state used the pandemic as an excuse to change their election laws.  This despite the CDC and Fauci (i.e. the "scientists" we were told to listen to) confirming that it was perfectly safe to vote in person.  These changes were advantageous to the Dems.  The results of the election confirm that these changes made the difference in the outcome as they significantly benefited Biden.  They resulted in an outlandish outlier.  Joe Biden, an old white guy with the charisma of a door knob who hardly campaigned and was in obvious decline, received more votes than any candidate for President in history.  Millions more than JFK, Reagan, Clinton, FDR, Obama etc.  So although the election may not have been stolen because the rules were changed legally at the last moment, it certainly was a questionable practice.  One that would have led Democrats to riot in the streets if the situation had been reversed and the rules were changed in such a way that resulted in Trump's re-election.  A clear double standard.  Particularly from the same folks who suggested for four years that the results of the 2016 were invalid due to Russian collusion.  For which there was no evidence.
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"51 percent [of respondents] think the reviews [of state election votes] will uncover information that will change the election’s outcome. . . .

Republicans are so stupid. With the Cyber Ninjas conducting the recount shouldn’t it be 100% of the Republicans expect a different election outcome in Arizona? I’m no longer a Republican but even I expect a different outcome in Arizona. Maybe this poll should be written off as more fake news.

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Things must really be getting bad for the Dems and Whispering Joe.  Inflation and crime are out of control.  The borders are wide open.  The service industries cannot find anyone to work since the Dems have paid them to stay home.  So now Fauci and company are desperately trying to convince people they have to wear masks again?  After they have been vaccinated with the Trump vaccine that is nearly 100% effective.  HA HA HA.   They know the red wave is coming in 2022 and 2024.  Desperate to change the narrative away from Old Joe's failed policies to dependence on the government and the fake Jan. 6 narrative. 

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The 51% is the deranged cult and these mentally challenged morons will believe any lie Criminal Donald and the fake news right wing media tells them.

'This didn’t happen': Trump's two biggest lies about the Arizona audit demolished by fact checkers
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-lies-2653956846/

Inside observers say the Arizona 'auditors' are backtracking — and the reality only supports Biden's win
https://www.rawstory.com/inside-observers-say-the-arizona-auditors-are-backtracking-and-the-reality-only-supports-biden-s-win/

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51% of the morons in the Republican party believe any lie the right wing media, lying GOP officials, and Criminal Donald tells them. They are just a bunch of sheep who will believe any lie of conspiracy told to them. This scam audit in Arizona was an absolute joke and when it was all said and done President Biden got more votes than was previously recorded. Criminal Donald is a laughing stock and his mental illness continues to spiral out of control.

Arizona ‘audit’ finds Biden won (by more votes) and no evidence of fraud

After months of work and some $6 million spent, a so-called audit that Trump supporters claimed would show that the election had been stolen from the defeated president found that Joe Biden actually won Arizona by more votes than the official tally — and it found no conclusive evidence that the election had been influenced by fraud.

Draft reports from the review that Senate President Karen Fann commissioned of Maricopa County’s election results declared that a hand count of nearly 2.1 million ballots from the November 2020 election found Donald Trump had 261 fewer votes than the county’s official canvass gave him, while Biden had 99 more. All told, Biden gained 360 votes in the Senate “audit” hand count — which was criticized by election experts as fundamentally flawed — giving him a victory of 45,469 votes in Maricopa County.

Official canvasses had Biden winning the county by 45,109 and the state by 10,457 votes.

The “audit” team is scheduled to unveil its findings to the Senate at 1 p.m. on Friday. But three draft reports that began circulating on Thursday show what audit critics have long argued — that the election was conducted fairly and the votes counted accurately.

“This means the tabulation equipment counted the ballots as they were designed to do, and the results reflect the will of the voters. That should be the end of the story. Everything else is just noise,” Jack Sellers, chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, said in a press statement Thursday night.

The audit reports also showed no evidence of fraud or malfeasance that might have changed the election outcome in Arizona.

The reports make a number of claims about ballots that might be problematic for different reasons. But it leaves the issues open-ended and makes no conclusive statements. The findings suggest that the audit team did not investigate those claims more deeply to determine their validity before compiling the reports.

For example, one section claimed that the review found 10,342 “potential voters” who had voted in multiple counties in Arizona, based on voters with identical first and last names, middle initials and birth years. The report said it’s possible for multiple people to share those details, but that the list “should be fully reviewed.”

The report does not state why the audit team did not conduct such a review.

State law permits voters to request that their early ballots be sent to a temporary address.

The draft report also claims that 23,344 early ballots were cast by people who shouldn’t have received them because they moved — a conclusion reached by comparing the names of voters who cast ballots with information from a third-party data vendor. Another section claims 9,041 people returned more ballots than they’d received, though the report acknowledges that there could be legitimate explanations for why the records said that.

The executive summary of the report — which did not mention the results of the hand-recount that took more than 3 months to complete — also concedes that many of the alleged concerns the review found could have been allayed if the county had cooperated with the audit. The county has steadfastly refused to cooperate or participate, to the point of refusing to even answer questions about election policies and procedures. That has presented a problem for the audit team, which has no background in elections work.

“Had Maricopa County chosen to cooperate with the audit, the majority of these obstacles would have easily been overcome. By the County withholding some subpoena items, their unwillingness to answer questions as is normal between auditor and auditee, and in some cases actively interfering with audit research, the County prevented a complete audit,” the summary read.

Sellers said there was a good reason the county refused to cooperate.

“How could we cooperate with an inquiry that was led by people who have no idea how to run any election, let alone one in the second largest voting district in the United States? The Board approved the election plan, we hired and supported our election experts, and they produced a well-run and accurate election in accordance with Arizona law,” he said in his press statement.

It’s unclear whether or how the final reports that audit team leader Doug Logan, CEO of the Florida-based company Cyber Ninjas, will present to the Senate on Friday will be different from the draft reports. Two spokespeople did not respond to inquiries from the Arizona Mirror, nor did Logan, who has almost entirely refused to speak with news media since Fann chose him to lead the audit in March.

Sen. Wendy Rogers, R-Flagstaff, one of the legislature’s most fervent advocates of the audit, claimed on Twitter that she’d spoken with Logan and that he told her the leaked drafts that were circulating Thursday night were only drafts and were partial reports.

“Tomorrow’s hearing will render findings of great consequence,” Rogers tweeted.

If Logan’s findings were in error, it wouldn’t be the first time. He has a documented history of making demonstrably false statements that were disproven by election records he already had in his possession.

During a presentation in July to Fann and Senate Judiciary Chairman Warren Petersen, Logan claimed the audit found 74,000 votes cast by people who had submitted early ballots but whom records did not show had requested them. The votes were actually cast at in-person early voting centers after the deadline to request early ballots by mail, which Logan could have easily found for himself based on the county’s master list of people who voted in the election, which he had.

In a note appended to a section about mail-in ballots being received without any record of them being sent, Logan’s team wrote that the claim was “unintentionally misleading” and was intended only to serve as advocacy for door-to-door canvassing of voters to determine if they really voted.

The results of the hand count, whatever they are, were the result of a process that election experts have long described as flawed and highly error-prone. The audit team, which had no practical experience in elections-related work and often displayed a lack of knowledge about basic election processes and procedures, spun ballots on turntables while workers counted the votes in the races for president and U.S. Senate.

https://www.azmirror.com/2021/09/23/arizona-audit-finds-biden-won-by-more-votes-and-no-evidence-of-fraud/

 

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