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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2021, 01:25:33 AM »
And the gaslighting with Richard continues. :D

Just like the story that ran for months that a Capitol officer had been hit with fire extinguisher. Another liberal falsehood.

no police officer was killed with a fire extinguisher as widely reported for months by the liberal media. That story is now another confirmed falsehood.
   

Richard is gaslighting us again and changing what he originally said.

Richard claimed the MAGA thug did not hit a Capitol Police officer with a fire extinguisher. The video I posted confirms it happened. It was no falsehood. 

After Richard was shown to be telling another falsehood, he changes his claim to the MAGA thug did not "kill" a Capitol Police officer with a fire extinguisher.

Another pathetic gaslighting attempt by Richard Smith. When he's exposed telling a falsehood he changes his claim to something new. That's why you can never have a decent discussion with this guy. 

P.S. there is no "Liberal Media" it is dominated by the far right with radio, cable, and local news.   

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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2021, 01:41:12 AM »
Every Republican that I'm aware of advocated for the arrest of anyone that committed a crime that day.  What you appear to be advocating is a mass shooting of every protestor at the Capitol (i.e. thousands of people) because you disagree with their politics.  Imagine the type of sick mind that would suggest the police could have mowed down hundreds or thousands of unarmed Americans because someone disagreed with their politics and they were all "bad" people.

The BS: this guy makes up is incredible.

Again, these MAGA thugs were not "protestors" they are classified as domestic terrorists who were attempting to execute our elected officials with deadly weapons in the House and Senate chambers. The job of the Capitol Police is to defend our elected officials lives and that is what they did. When these rioters breach security they will get shot. And you are too ignorant to understand that. I expect an apology from you with your disgusting and false attack against me

FBI Chief Says Riot at US Capitol Was 'Domestic Terrorism'
https://www.voanews.com/usa/fbi-chief-says-riot-us-capitol-was-domestic-terrorism

Jan 6th officially ‘domestic terrorist attack’: Nancy Pelosi's legislation creating Select Committee
https://www.rawstory.com/establishing-january-6-commission/

Prosecutors: Capitol Rioters Intended to ‘Capture and Assassinate’ Elected Officials
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-01-15/prosecutors-capitol-rioters-intended-to-capture-and-assassinate-elected-officials

Handguns, crowbars, Tasers and tomahawk axes: Dozens of Capitol rioters wielded "deadly or dangerous" weapons, prosecutors say
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/capitol-riot-weapons-deadly-dangerous/
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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2021, 02:20:28 AM »
    "The USCP had a robust plan established to address anticipated First
     Amendment activities.  But make no mistake these mass riots were
     not First Amendment activities; they were criminal riotous behavior.
     The actions of the USCP officers were heroic given the situation they
     faced, and I continue to have tremendous respect in the professionalism
     and dedication of the women and men of the United States Capitol Police."

          -- Steven Sund, Chief of Police

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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2021, 02:42:50 AM »
Let's try again real slow so that perhaps you can follow.  The protestors on Jan. 6 did commit many crimes for which they were arrested.  Many were minor misdemeanors such as trespass.  Some were more serious such as assault.  Some police officers were hit with objects (just as they were on multiple occasions by BLM protestors including those that tried to storm the White House) but no police officer was killed with a fire extinguisher as widely reported for months by the liberal media.  That story is now another
confirmed falsehood.   

And talk about gaslighting.  Here you are trying to conflate, as the media falsely did, the throwing of a fire extinguisher during the protest with the death of the police officer.  The police officer who died WAS NOT HIT WITH A FIRE EXTINGUIGHER or any object.  Rather his autopsy confirmed that he had no trauma to his body.  He died of a stroke.  Natural causes.  That is why there have been no charges.  There is no evidence whatsoever that the woman who was killed at the Capitol was armed.  None.  In fact, we know that she was unarmed since no gun was found. So another lie to add to your growing list.  Even if there were other armed people in that crowd (and there is no evidence of any protestor firing a firearm that day or being arrested with a gun in the Capitol) that would not justify selecting a random unarmed person from that crowd for execution.  This is America not Communist China.

Every Republican that I'm aware of advocated for the arrest of anyone that committed a crime that day.  What you appear to be advocating is a mass shooting of every protestor at the Capitol (i.e. thousands of people) because you disagree with their politics.  Imagine the type of sick mind that would suggest the police could have mowed down hundreds or thousands of unarmed Americans because someone disagreed with their politics and they were all "bad" people.

This MAGA thug intended to take our elected officials hostage and so did many other domestic MAGA thug terrorists.

They were attempting to overthrow the US Government by executing officials and stopping the vote certification to illegally keep Criminal Donald in power. That is an illegal coup.   

Many of them had deadly weapons including zip ties to to take hostages. That's why the Capitol Police officer shot Babbit who illegally broke through a Capitol window. She wasn't there to take a Capitol tour, she was there to attack our elected officials.

Are you ok wirh that Richard? Our elected officials are not supposed to be protected from MAGA domestic terrorists?         


Retired Air Force officer at Capitol riot intended "to take hostages," prosecutor says

A retired Air Force officer who was part of the mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol last week carried plastic zip-tie handcuffs because he intended "to take hostages," a prosecutor said in a Texas court on Thursday.

"He means to take hostages. He means to kidnap, restrain, perhaps try, perhaps execute members of the U.S. government," Assistant U.S. Attorney Jay Weimer said of retired Lieutenant Colonel Larry Rendall Brock Jr. He did not provide specifics.

The prosecutor had argued that Brock should be detained, but Magistrate Judge Jeffrey L. Cureton said he would release Brock to home confinement. Cureton ordered Brock to surrender any firearms and said he could have only limited internet access as conditions of that release.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/larry-brock-arrested-capitol-riots-intended-take-hostages/
 

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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2021, 05:36:39 PM »
This MAGA thug intended to take our elected officials hostage and so did many other domestic MAGA thug terrorists.

They were attempting to overthrow the US Government by executing officials and stopping the vote certification to illegally keep Criminal Donald in power. That is an illegal coup.   

Many of them had deadly weapons including zip ties to to take hostages. That's why the Capitol Police officer shot Babbit who illegally broke through a Capitol window. She wasn't there to take a Capitol tour, she was there to attack our elected officials.

Are you ok wirh that Richard? Our elected officials are not supposed to be protected from MAGA domestic terrorists?         


Retired Air Force officer at Capitol riot intended "to take hostages," prosecutor says

A retired Air Force officer who was part of the mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol last week carried plastic zip-tie handcuffs because he intended "to take hostages," a prosecutor said in a Texas court on Thursday.

"He means to take hostages. He means to kidnap, restrain, perhaps try, perhaps execute members of the U.S. government," Assistant U.S. Attorney Jay Weimer said of retired Lieutenant Colonel Larry Rendall Brock Jr. He did not provide specifics.

The prosecutor had argued that Brock should be detained, but Magistrate Judge Jeffrey L. Cureton said he would release Brock to home confinement. Cureton ordered Brock to surrender any firearms and said he could have only limited internet access as conditions of that release.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/larry-brock-arrested-capitol-riots-intended-take-hostages/

I'm not sure what you are babbling about here.  Again, I've said repeatedly that anyone who committed a crime on Jan. 6 should have been arrested.  I can't make that any clearer.  Hundreds of people have been arrested mostly for minor crimes such as trespass and vandalism.  I take issue only with the killing of an unarmed woman and a secret investigation that has not provided the details of her death.  She was shot in the head while unarmed.  The fact that you and others don't like her politics is not a justification for her execution any more than George Floyd's lengthy criminal history justified his murder.  That doesn't seem particularly controversial unless you believe that political beliefs are grounds to execute unarmed American citizens.  Like something out of Communist China.

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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2021, 05:46:47 PM »
The U.S. Supreme Court long ago recognized the government's right to stop demonstrations that present a "clear and present danger" of violence or another "immediate threat to public safety, peace, or order" (Cantwell v. Connecticut, 310 U.S. 296 (1940)).

Not one of the protestors (afaik) was forced to enter the capitol building. They all made a judgement at some point (more of them, as opposed to less) after hearing Trump's speech. imo

Once you make that decision(especially in mob fashion), your fate is sealed.

This is no different than an accomplice during a bank robbery who is only in it for the money but is ultimately responsible for the outcome from their participation.
They didn't shoot and kill the bank employee but nonetheless can/will be tried as such.

Yes, it's a shame she was shot and killed, but she only has herself to blame for her poor judgement.

Wrong.  You are conflating enforcement of the law - which obviously the police can do by arresting people - with the authority to execute unarmed people simply because they are in the commission of a crime.  These are very different concepts.  The police can use lethal force only in very limited circumstances even when a crime is being committed.  The police cannot execute people who jaywalk or speed.  And then  say they did so because the person was in the commission of a crime.  How did that work out for the police officer who murdered George Floyd?

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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2021, 07:14:17 PM »
Wrong.  You are conflating enforcement of the law - which obviously the police can do by arresting people - with the authority to execute unarmed people simply because they are in the commission of a crime.  These are very different concepts.  The police can use lethal force only in very limited circumstances even when a crime is being committed.

Well, there we have it. The martyr. Babbitt was "executed unarmed".

You don't have to go very far to find alt-right groups and media promoting Babbitt as a cause celebre. A few weeks ago, GOP Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona (whose three siblings are trying to get their brother removed from office because he's a racist) said the Capitol police were "lying in wait" for Babbitt.

For these guys, getting their "news" and lamebrain ideas from Fox News and Breitbart, to name a few, isn't about about keeping informed or understanding -- it's about right-wingers feeding their addiction.

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The police cannot execute people who jaywalk or speed.  And then  say they did so because the person was in the commission of a crime.  How did that work out for the police officer who murdered George Floyd?

This is as unhinged and false an equivalency as can be imagined. Neither Floyd nor Babbitt were "executed". Babbitt was shot in the midst of trying to beech a barricade to the Speaker's Lobby, after threatening police and urging others on with "Go! Go!" The officer might have thought she had a gun in her hand; now, if that comes out, you'll say he's lying. In any event, he felt she posed an immediate threat to himself or others.

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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2021, 12:07:48 AM »
Well, there we have it. The martyr. Babbitt was "executed unarmed".

You don't have to go very far to find alt-right groups and media promoting Babbitt as a cause celebre. A few weeks ago, GOP Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona (whose three siblings are trying to get their brother removed from office because he's a racist) said the Capitol police were "lying in wait" for Babbitt.

For these guys, getting their "news" and lamebrain ideas from Fox News and Breitbart, to name a few, isn't about about keeping informed or understanding -- it's about right-wingers feeding their addiction.

This is as unhinged and false an equivalency as can be imagined. Neither Floyd nor Babbitt were "executed". Babbitt was shot in the midst of trying to beech a barricade to the Speaker's Lobby, after threatening police and urging others on with "Go! Go!" The officer might have thought she had a gun in her hand; now, if that comes out, you'll say he's lying. In any event, he felt she posed an immediate threat to himself or others.

You are making stuff up again to suit your political bias.  The details of Babbitt's death have not been revealed.  So you have simply made up stuff to suit the Trump hating narrative.  Just like the claim that a Capitol police officer was killed with a fire extinguisher which was promoted for months.  Another fake story.  I have just pointed out your hypocrisy.  All I'm asking for is due process for someone killed by the police.  Something that I thought libs like yourself advocated.  But I guess you are only concerned with police abuses when they can be used for race baiting purposes.  Shoot an unarmed woman in the head?  No problem because you don't like her political views.

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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2021, 06:23:44 AM »
The violent MAGA cult is at it again threatening violence against Biden voters. These people are the bottom feeders of society and just a bunch of animals. Look at how they nearly crushed this cop to death as they were storming inside the Capitol. Disgraceful and despicable. The GOP tried to stop an investigation into their own violent coup. 

Michigan Republican spooked by Trump fans openly threatening violence against Biden-voting neighbors
https://www.rawstory.com/ed-mcbroom/

Capitol rioter's friends tell judge he was just 'helping' cop he was dragging on the ground
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-insurrectionist-2653623700/

Video shows US Capitol police officer crushed by door during riot by MAGA mob: The officer screamed for help as he was crushed
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/us-capitol-police-officer-crushed-riot-b1784670.html


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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2021, 10:41:31 AM »
Wrong.  You are conflating enforcement of the law - which obviously the police can do by arresting people - with the authority to execute unarmed people simply because they are in the commission of a crime.  These are very different concepts.  The police can use lethal force only in very limited circumstances even when a crime is being committed.  The police cannot execute people who jaywalk or speed.  And then  say they did so because the person was in the commission of a crime.  How did that work out for the police officer who murdered George Floyd?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/08/ashli-babbitt-shooting-video-capitol/
"Imminent danger" via mob action is the justification for the shooting. It appears the "Maginot Line" was the glass doors. Babbitt is the first one attempting to cross the line.
Who in their right mind would want to be the first person across the line, knowing full well guns are drawn upon them.
She gambled and she lost.
Floyd wasn't part of a mob. He was subdued at the time of his death. Totally different situation.
The short, but very telling video is quite revealing.
These lawbreakers should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

 

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