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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Who's this guy in Alyea footage
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2021, 11:46:20 AM »
Regarding the second unidentified man (in the white shirt/top).
This footage was taken on the sixth floor looking at the window between the stairway and the west elevator.
In the foreground we see Fritz listening to one of his men.
Behind them is the man I believe is Dougherty:

Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, when the FBI men---I imagine it was who it was---he showed me his credentials, but he asked me who the manager was, and I told him, "Mr. Truly." He told me to go find him. Well, I didn't know where he was so I started from the first floor and Just started looking for him, and by the time I got to the sixth floor, they had found a gun and shells.
Mr. BALL - When you went up to the sixth floor, it was after they found the shotgun and shells?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir;

If it is Dougherty in the clip it must have been taken after the shells and rifle had been found.


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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Who's this guy in Alyea footage
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2021, 10:11:49 PM »
I agree his facial features are similar to Lovelady's but there is definitely enough detail in the footage to show his check shirt.
The guy in the clip seems to be wearing a single coloured shirt, a quite dark colour.

If it's not Mr Lovelady, then the only other realistic candidate is Mr Oswald. But I still lean much more to Mr Lovelady
« Last Edit: May 04, 2021, 10:12:49 PM by Alan Ford »

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Re: Who's this guy in Alyea footage
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2021, 10:12:27 PM »
Regarding the second unidentified man (in the white shirt/top).
This footage was taken on the sixth floor looking at the window between the stairway and the west elevator.
In the foreground we see Fritz listening to one of his men.
Behind them is the man I believe is Dougherty:

Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, when the FBI men---I imagine it was who it was---he showed me his credentials, but he asked me who the manager was, and I told him, "Mr. Truly." He told me to go find him. Well, I didn't know where he was so I started from the first floor and Just started looking for him, and by the time I got to the sixth floor, they had found a gun and shells.
Mr. BALL - When you went up to the sixth floor, it was after they found the shotgun and shells?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir;

If it is Dougherty in the clip it must have been taken after the shells and rifle had been found.

Mr Lovelady also went up to six around this time. I think it's probably him in both clips
« Last Edit: May 04, 2021, 10:13:13 PM by Alan Ford »

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Re: Who's this guy in Alyea footage
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2021, 03:06:01 AM »
Mr Lovelady also went up to six around this time. I think it's probably him in both clips

One is wearing dark clothing and the other light clothing.
How does that work?

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Re: Who's this guy in Alyea footage
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2021, 06:08:02 PM »
One is wearing dark clothing and the other light clothing.
How does that work?

He took off his shirt

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Re: Who's this guy in Alyea footage
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2021, 08:07:39 PM »
This clip is from Tom Alyea's footage from inside the TSBD in the immediate aftermath of the assassination.
In it we see Baker and Truly. I believe the man in the dark suit/hat and glasses is Ochus Campbell (possibly).
Just behind him a man becomes partially visible for a second. Unlike the others he seems to be in work gear.




This is a close up of the man.


I wondered if anyone knew who he was.

If you look at the footage from the beginning, I think we can see a rectangular name plate and a badge above same as this person in front of the TSBD. I think that this person in front of the TSBD is not the same as the one we are looking for in Alyea film. Seems that the person in Alyea film is slender and missing a black bow tie but because of rectangular name plate I think that he belonged to DPD department or the same department as the person in front of TSBD.


And here is another person from the same department. So, seems that all three of them belonged to the same department.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2021, 08:13:46 PM by Patrick Jackson »

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Re: Who's this guy in Alyea footage
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2021, 12:07:27 AM »
If you look at the footage from the beginning, I think we can see a rectangular name plate and a badge above same as this person in front of the TSBD. I think that this person in front of the TSBD is not the same as the one we are looking for in Alyea film. Seems that the person in Alyea film is slender and missing a black bow tie but because of rectangular name plate I think that he belonged to DPD department or the same department as the person in front of TSBD.


And here is another person from the same department. So, seems that all three of them belonged to the same department.


Hi Patrick,

That is a really fantastic spot.
I'm going to try and get a clear shot of the frame that shows the name plate but I believe you are correct.
It explains why the man is in the TSBD at this moment - he is a law enforcement officer.
I'm not convinced he is either of the men you have circled but I'm sure he will turn up in another pic.
Nice work

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Re: Who's this guy in Alyea footage
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2021, 12:16:39 AM »


This is as good as I could do but I think it clearly shows the name tag and, potentially, a badge above it.

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Re: Who's this guy in Alyea footage
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2021, 01:24:15 PM »
Hi Patrick,

That is a really fantastic spot.
I'm going to try and get a clear shot of the frame that shows the name plate but I believe you are correct.
It explains why the man is in the TSBD at this moment - he is a law enforcement officer.
I'm not convinced he is either of the men you have circled but I'm sure he will turn up in another pic.
Nice work

Thank you.
Most probably Alyea film guy was a member of Dallas Sheriff Department. I was searching through photos a lot but seems only they had light blue shirts and name tags above their right pockets.

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Re: Who's this guy in Alyea footage
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2021, 12:06:55 AM »
Thank you.
Most probably Alyea film guy was a member of Dallas Sheriff Department. I was searching through photos a lot but seems only they had light blue shirts and name tags above their right pockets.

This obviously cannot be just the rectangular name tag, it needs to be name tag + badge------------or even just badge on its own:



But why would the badge be over his right breast pocket instead of his left?

 

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