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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: This is what Oswald died for...
« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2021, 02:20:25 AM »

Not all governments are a combination of Capitalist and Socialist economies.

Name one industrialized country that doesn't have a mixed economy.

Of course, China can’t identify itself as anything other than a “Marxist-Leninist” government. There have been too many decades of propaganda for them to identify themselves as anything else. Trump can “self-identify” himself as a Pro-Democracy politician who respects the principle of government of the people, by the people and for the people, but that doesn’t make him so. What governments and people “self-identify” themselves as does not matter to me.

China decided to participate in the Global economy abroad but domestically, they are still governed by ideological Marxists.

Deng Xiaoping: Socialism with Chinese Characteristics
https://newlearningonline.com/new-learning/chapter-4/deng-xiaoping-socialism-with-chinese-characteristics

At the founding of the People’s Republic, we inherited from old China a ruined economy with virtually no industry. There was a shortage of grain, inflation was acute and the economy was in chaos. But we solved the problems of feeding and employing the population, stabilized commodity prices and unified financial and economic work, and the economy rapidly recovered. On this foundation we started large-scale reconstruction. What did we rely on? We relied on Marxism and socialism. Some people ask why we chose socialism. We answer that we had to, because capitalism would get China nowhere. If we had taken the capitalist road, we could not have put an end to the chaos in the country or done away with poverty and backwardness. That is why we have repeatedly declared that we shall adhere to Marxism and keep to the socialist road. But by Marxism we mean Marxism that is integrated with Chinese conditions, and by socialism we mean a socialism that is tailored to Chinese conditions and has a specifically Chinese character.

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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: This is what Oswald died for...
« Reply #37 on: April 16, 2021, 07:44:38 PM »
I look at claims that China’s is an example of a Socialist country with a good economy as analogous to the following fable.

Initially there are men who claim we can fly like birds. If you run fast enough and flap your arms hard enough, a human can fly like a bird. These believers were called “Flappers”. But they never got anywhere.

Then, people developed airplanes with fixed wings and propellers and people truly started to fly.

The flappers responded by putting two men in an airplane, the pilot in the front and the “Flapper” sitting behind him, vigorously flapping his arms. And they did fly successfully, And the people who supported the “Flapper” theory pointing out these flights as “proving” that “Flapping” can allow people to fly through the air, just as they claimed all along.

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Re: This is what Oswald died for...
« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2021, 08:42:15 PM »
I look at claims that China’s is an example of a Socialist country with a good economy as analogous to the following fable.

Initially there are men who claim we can fly like birds. If you run fast enough and flap your arms hard enough, a human can fly like a bird. These believers were called “Flappers”. But they never got anywhere.

Then, people developed airplanes with fixed wings and propellers and people truly started to fly.

The flappers responded by putting two men in an airplane, the pilot in the front and the “Flapper” sitting behind him, vigorously flapping his arms. And they did fly successfully, And the people who supported the “Flapper” theory pointing out these flights as “proving” that “Flapping” can allow people to fly through the air, just as they claimed all along.


Excerpt from the article that I posted a couple of posts earlier in this thread:

“Since the 1990s there has been an increasing number of apartments built in China which remain empty. In 2010 approximately 65 million apartments, capable of housing some 250 million people, were unoccupied, due to there being too expensive for the majority of Chinese to purchase or rent.”

Empty apartments capable of housing 250 million people. That is over 3/4 of the current population of the United States for a perspective.

Yes, I agree Joe, much like flapping arms on the airplane and claiming that they can fly...

Online Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: This is what Oswald died for...
« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2021, 11:21:55 PM »

Excerpt from the article that I posted a couple of posts earlier in this thread:

“Since the 1990s there has been an increasing number of apartments built in China which remain empty. In 2010 approximately 65 million apartments, capable of housing some 250 million people, were unoccupied, due to there being too expensive for the majority of Chinese to purchase or rent.”

Empty apartments capable of housing 250 million people. That is over 3/4 of the current population of the United States for a perspective.

Yes, I agree Joe, much like flapping arms on the airplane and claiming that they can fly...
Hence, Oswald should have learnt German & married a German girl, a fascist China would not have empty apartments.

Offline Jon Banks

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Re: This is what Oswald died for...
« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2021, 05:21:23 PM »
I look at claims that China’s is an example of a Socialist country with a good economy as analogous to the following fable.

Initially there are men who claim we can fly like birds. If you run fast enough and flap your arms hard enough, a human can fly like a bird. These believers were called “Flappers”. But they never got anywhere.

Then, people developed airplanes with fixed wings and propellers and people truly started to fly.

The flappers responded by putting two men in an airplane, the pilot in the front and the “Flapper” sitting behind him, vigorously flapping his arms. And they did fly successfully, And the people who supported the “Flapper” theory pointing out these flights as “proving” that “Flapping” can allow people to fly through the air, just as they claimed all along.

Again, there are no purely socialist or capitalist countries.

China’s leaders identify as Marxist-Leninist but they’re pragmatic also and have permitted some Capitalism where it is practical.

America’s leaders identify as Capitalists but are pragmatic and allow some socialism, social welfare, and regulation of the business sector.

If China’s compromises prove pure Socialism doesn’t work than America’s compromises prove pure Capitalism doesn’t work.

Lastly, Oswald made his choice clear through his actions. He chose to return to the US after living in the USSR because he wasn’t a true believer in Communism. Some Americans, myself included, agree with many of the ideas of Marx with regard to his criticisms of Capitalism, but wouldn’t want to live in an authoritarian Communist country.