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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #168 on: April 12, 2021, 01:12:04 AM »
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The witness description is vague "kind of" and "sort of."

Right who needs witnesses when you can go with "the bag could have been carried"  :D

Nothing about the condition of CE 142 precludes it from having been used to carry the rifle.

Except for the fact that the witnesses who saw that bag Oswald carried and denied CE 142 is it..... A minor detail, right?

There is no doubt this is bag Oswald carried that morning.

Only in the mind of a fanatical LN fool who ignores the evidence.

A witness who knew Oswald saw him on the bus, another witness ID'd him as the person he drove in a cab, another witness saw him leaving the boarding house, several witnesses ID'd Oswald as the person who murdered Tippit but you don't believe them.  Right?  Just Frazier's subjective estimate of the length of a bag that he had himself confirmed that he had little cause to notice and his description of how it was carried from some distance behind Oswald.  Wow.

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #169 on: April 12, 2021, 01:14:24 AM »
RingRing
Linnie: Buell, shorten the bag.
Buell: What bag?
Llnnie: The bag that could get you fried.
Buell: I wasn't really paying attention to the bag. But now that I think about it, he did seem to be trying to hide it...

Frazier indicated in his 6th floor museum interview that he spoke with his sister on the phone while at the hospital prior to being taken in for questioning by the police. 

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #170 on: April 12, 2021, 01:22:10 AM »
The bag is low hanging fruit.

1) Frazier indicates that Oswald carried a long bag that morning that Oswald confirmed to him did not contain his lunch but according to Oswald contained curtain rods.
2) Oswald denied to the DPD that he carried anything other than his lunch.  Completely contradicting the story he told to Frazier. No curtain rods, two foot long bag as described by Frazier or longer bag as found in the TSBD.  Why would he lie if the bag didn't contain the rifle?
3) Oswald's prints are found on the bag next to the SN.  That bag can't be accounted for in any way except as the one Oswald carried.  It had no work-related purpose to be there, no TSBD ever explained its presence, and no one else ever claimed ownership of the bag.  It appears to be a singular type of bag in that building as no other such bag was found or photographed.
4) The bag is discovered next to the SN which had Oswald's prints on the boxes and fired bullet casings from his rifle.
5) If the bag was constructed at the TSBD, then it would have to remain open on one end for Oswald to insert the rifle when he arrived at Irving.  Folding or wrapping the open end of the bag allows him to open the package without having to rip the tape off.  A nice piece of planning if you don't know if anyone else would be on the floor in the moments before assassinating the President.
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« Reply #171 on: April 12, 2021, 02:27:33 AM »
Frazier indicated in his 6th floor museum interview that he spoke with his sister on the phone while at the hospital prior to being taken in for questioning by the police.

Frazier’s HSCA interview......once again for you. Times on the tape indicated.

14.50. He went to his sisters house first and his Mother was there – he then went to the hospital – Irving Professional Center – helped to give giving  step father oxygen. (Later versions become counting drops from glucose drip) “Sister said, she was there” she had to go somewhere. I can give him oxygen.
Phone call – after oxygen – two detectives tried to grab him  - he ran to exit  – they said stop or shoot – there was a frisk and shake down – Rose and Stovall – they thought it was strange he ran - took to Irving PS – took to Dallas

27:20 got home and coverage was on TV – his sister knew what had happened (TSBD) – we both said it was bad thing ------then an 8 sec pause ----- “she said”……..changes to I went to house and mother was there. Asked where sister was and she was at hospital. She had been there a while, he went to relieve her.

31:10 Only thought of curtain rods when questioned – its been reported he had a package with him – what did it look like?

32:30 cops went to my sisters house first – asked my mother  - told them up at hospital with sister

Let’s say home about 2pm......at least 3 hours before arrest.


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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #172 on: April 12, 2021, 02:52:09 AM »
Frazier's CE 1381

"I left the School Book Depository Building
sometime between 1:00 PM and 2:00 PM on November 22, 1963,
and went directly home"


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« Reply #173 on: April 12, 2021, 03:18:18 AM »


Using his left hand, one can easily angle the bag over to the right to position the top out of sight of the trailing Buell Frazier.
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« Reply #174 on: April 12, 2021, 03:28:47 AM »


Using his left hand, one can easily angle the bag over to the right
to position the top out of sight of the trailing Buell Frazier.

And the top six inches sure looks like curtain rods. Why do you think the rifle was disassembled? For 3 inches?

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« Reply #175 on: April 12, 2021, 03:45:16 AM »
And the top six inches sure looks like curtain rods. Why do you think the rifle was disassembled? For 3 inches?


Size matters.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2021, 03:45:42 AM by Bill Chapman »