Et tu, Bonnie?

[Bill Chapman]

and laying hands on the actual bag

What actual bag? The one you can't put in Owald's hand and only assume it was the one he carried?

Um... the actual bag in the photograph Dan was using for his analysis.

[Dan O'meara]

Using 'admits' to describe what BWR said on his affidavit is overkill since affidavits are not Q&A and really just shorthand compared to full testimony.

'Added to' is fair to BWR. 'Admits' is what dishonest CTers use for 'stated' to continue their reason for being here which is to make everything appear sinister (ie to create doubt)


 BWR had fck all to hide

In the affidavit you posted Williams states:

"We rode the elevator to the 1st floor and got our lunches. I went back to the fifth floor with a fellow called Hank and Junior..."

This is an explicit lie.
He did not go back to the fifth floor with Norman and Jarman. And he knows he didn't.
It is a lie.
The next day he admits that he got his lunch and went up to the 6th floor.
The reason he "admits" it is because he lied about what he did in his affidavit.
He has changed his lie. He has admitted the truth.
"Admits" is not overkill. It's the correct word to use.

I get the impression you have a specific view of CTers and, to a very large extent, I believe we share a similar view.
I find the the people who are talking the most sense on this forum are usually LNers.

But there are lots of little things that bug me and Williams lying on his affidavit is one of them. Not to mention other people I believe are lying who all seemed to be have been on the 6th floor that morning.
Their lies are recorded in their statements, interviews and testimonies.

Williams was on the 6th floor for a long time. His lying has something to do with what happened while he was up there (IMO)

[Colin Crow]

In the affidavit you posted Williams states:

"We rode the elevator to the 1st floor and got our lunches. I went back to the fifth floor with a fellow called Hank and Junior..."

This is an explicit lie.
He did not go back to the fifth floor with Norman and Jarman. And he knows he didn't.
It is a lie.
The next day he admits that he got his lunch and went up to the 6th floor.
The reason he "admits" it is because he lied about what he did in his affidavit.
He has changed his lie. He has admitted the truth.
"Admits" is not overkill. It's the correct word to use.

I get the impression you have a specific view of CTers and, to a very large extent, I believe we share a similar view.
I find the the people who are talking the most sense on this forum are usually LNers.

But there are lots of little things that bug me and Williams lying on his affidavit is one of them. Not to mention other people I believe are lying who all seemed to be have been on the 6th floor that morning.
Their lies are recorded in their statements, interviews and testimonies.

Williams was on the 6th floor for a long time. His lying has something to do with what happened while he was up there (IMO)

Williams knew the following when his affidavit was taken.

1. The shots were fired from above.
2. Oswald was in custody and a suspect in the assassination. Not necessarily a shooter at that point.

He was taken from the TSBD between 1.30 and 2pm. It is doubtful at that time he was aware his his chicken lunch was found or from which window the shots were fired. By 3pm the lunch was associated with the assassin, this was widely reported in the media in the following days.

By Saturday he would realise the bag and bottle would be fingerprinted so events in his original affidavit were changed to include a brief visit to the sixth floor about noon. Just a few minutes before visiting his workmates on the fifth floor. His "story" would continue to evolve until his appearance before the WC. Just days after Ball and Belin conducted various timelines and re-enactments a few days before in Dallas. Importantly Jarman and Norman would alter their previous statements and now remember, four months after the event, that he was not on the elevator with them on the way to the fifth floor.

[Bill Chapman]

In the affidavit you posted Williams states:

"We rode the elevator to the 1st floor and got our lunches. I went back to the fifth floor with a fellow called Hank and Junior..."

This is an explicit lie.
He did not go back to the fifth floor with Norman and Jarman. And he knows he didn't.
It is a lie.
The next day he admits that he got his lunch and went up to the 6th floor.
The reason he "admits" it is because he lied about what he did in his affidavit.
He has changed his lie. He has admitted the truth.
"Admits" is not overkill. It's the correct word to use.

I get the impression you have a specific view of CTers and, to a very large extent, I believe we share a similar view.
I find the the people who are talking the most sense on this forum are usually LNers.

But there are lots of little things that bug me and Williams lying on his affidavit is one of them. Not to mention other people I believe are lying who all seemed to be have been on the 6th floor that morning.
Their lies are recorded in their statements, interviews and testimonies.

Williams was on the 6th floor for a long time. His lying has something to do with what happened while he was up there (IMO)

Did BRW volunteer the changes unprovoked? Makes a difference.

[Colin Crow]

Williams knew the following when his affidavit was taken.

1. The shots were fired from above.
2. Oswald was in custody and a suspect in the assassination. Not necessarily a shooter at that point.

He was taken from the TSBD between 1.30 and 2pm. It is doubtful at that time he was aware his his chicken lunch was found or from which window the shots were fired. By 3pm the lunch was associated with the assassin, this was widely reported in the media in the following days.

By Saturday he would realise the bag and bottle would be fingerprinted so events in his original affidavit were changed to include a brief visit to the sixth floor about noon. Just a few minutes before visiting his workmates on the fifth floor. His "story" would continue to evolve until his appearance before the WC. Just days after Ball and Belin conducted various timelines and re-enactments a few days before in Dallas. Importantly Jarman and Norman would alter their previous statements and now remember, four months after the event, that he was not on the elevator with them on the way to the fifth floor.

Also Williams' Saturday FBI statement would preclude the later claim by Givens that he took the east elevator after 12 to get cigarettes and saw Oswald.

[Bill Chapman]

I reckon that Williams did in fact see Oswald in the sniper's nest because why would he go up to the 6th floor to sit with his mates and just plonk himself down in the middle of the floor without checking all the windows?

When Williams went down to the 5th floor he obviously went to the windows directly below the sniper's nest, so what stopped him doing the same on the floor above?

When confronted with the following wall of boxes, would Williams simply shout out to his friends and after not hearing an answer just move on or would he have a peek to see if his friends were there and perhaps just horsing around?

Blue box quote from JohnM

Firstly, to say 'why would' is assuming the fellow would do what you would or wouldn't do.

And silence has a funny way of sounding deafening: If he heard no sound as he entered the sixth floor, he might have had a pretty good idea that his buddies hadn't arrived yet. And he might have decided that the stack of boxes in the se corner blocked off that corner and maybe the windows as well; not worth checking out.

Colin, can you tell us just how long is the 'long time' you claim he was on the 6th floor during lunch. For one thing he wouldn't have to worry about missing the parade until he heard a big surge in crowd noise as would certainly occur when the motorcade finally turned the corner at Main (and even louder as the limo itself appeared). He had a wall of windows to choose from, dirty or not. And I doubt that they were nailed shut.

[Chris Davidson]

Gentlemen,

It is encouraging to read one of their more interesting pursuits lately within this thread...folks are beginning to gauge/weigh the statements, actions and movements of this thread's namesake, Mr. Williams (Bonnie Ray). A glaring red-flag arises when we take into account his first day affidavit (a link to it is in the initial post (page 1) for those who may not have already read it; and, his sudden departure from it four months later amid his Warren Commission testimony. Like his counterparts--the lying rooftop tandem--the evolving statements of Mr. Williams' bears the stench of a hastily contrived script.

A few questions that arise here are: (A) What were his true whereabouts given his two different versions of his "truth"; (B) Why did he initially lie in his same day affidavit? or (C) Is his WC testimony four months later a lie? Either way he is mired in quicksand of his own doing, or perhaps at the handling of someone he holds an allegiance to for whatever reason...that said, a much closer examination and spotlight on his actual movements & purpose is further research time well spent.

Last thought today, now taking into consideration WFAA journalist Tom Alyea's photo of Roy Truly, Marrion Baker, etc shared below by topshelf researcher Mr. Davidson ---->

Quote from: Chris Davidson on April 08, 2021, 01:19:24 AM
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1thgfDT6J0DCMaiKRdG9aJq9cDElhMJQW/view?usp=sharing

By pinpointing the arrival time of Captain Fritz to the Texas School Book Depository (1:58PM CST) his words per his testimony; and the following remarks by Marrion Baker...

Mr. BELIN - Did you leave Mr. Truly or did you stay with him?
Mr. BAKER - I left Mr. Truly there.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Mr. BAKER - I immediately went on out. I was with this motorcade and I went right on straight through the front door and got on my motorcycle and tried to find out what happened to the motorcade.

The importance here of comparing both timelines (Captain Fritz's arrival time to the crime scene and Baker's departure prior to that arrival) is to highlight that Tom Alyea couldn't have captured Roy Truly & Marrion Baker together unless his photo was taken upon his initial rush into the building w/police.

After Baker's departure no one, let alone Mr. Alyea could have produced the photo we see in the link placing him and Roy Truly together in that huddle. The more telling revelation here is that once again further evidence emerges that the lying rooftop tandem weren't otherwise busy charging up the backstairs amid a hastily contrived script.

Lest anyone thinks Tom Alyea took that "huddle" photo after the exploits of the lying rooftop tandem just read the following to know precisely where Mr. Alyea was looong after Marrion Baker's departure...

Fritz had joined the search party on the 5th floor and directed us to
> the elevator to go to the 6th floor. After about five minutes, an
> officer shouted to Capt. Fritz to come to the front window. I presume
> it was Mooney, I have never seen him before. This man did not go
> behind the barricade. Capt. Fritz and I arrived seconds later to look
> over the first barricade and see the open window with three book
> cartons stacked at and in the window. We looked over the first
> barricade and saw three shell casings. -- Tom Alyea

Why did the lying rooftop tandem lie about their exploits upon that otherwise locked roof from the inside? Why was Roy Truly in the SN before incriminating evidence was found? ---->

Mr. BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ak3JymYrSpzVtF0i-jbAxuRICk9lcZ5q/view?usp=sharing