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In the PDF notes of "Reclaiming History" it says:

The only other person who possibly connects Oswald to Banister, though he
doesn’t claim to have seen the two in each other’s presence, is a former investigator
for Banister, George Higgenbotham. Higgenbotham told a DA investigator during
a series of interviews on April 12, 16, and 17, 1968, that one time he was kidding
Banister about sharing a building with people passing out leaflets on the street,
and Banister said, “Cool it. One of them is one of mine.” Note that there’s no reference
to Oswald, or what the leaflets even said, and Banister and Higgenbotham
were talking about more than one person passing out leaflets, whereas Oswald, with
the exception of the time in front of the Trade Mart, was the only known person
passing out Fair Play for Cuba leaflets. Further, Higgenbotham worked for Banister
in 1960–1961, and Oswald wasn’t even in New Orleans during this period,
though Higgenbotham continued to have some social contact with Banister after
that. The information Higgenbotham furnished the DA’s office, possibly because
he was facing a charge of marijuana possession, was further suspect. For instance,
he said a fellow gay (Higgenbotham was gay), Eddie Porter, told him that Oswald
was a “hustler” on Royal Street. The DA investigator (whose identity is not clear
from the two-page, typewritten document) who interviewed Higgenbotham also
obviously had questions about the latter’s credibility, saying that “much of what
George said was difficult to orientate,” adding that “I was never sure whether what
he said was meant to be bait or not.”


And then from the website http://whokilledjfk.net/oswald1.htm it says:

Historian Dr. Michael L. Kurtz was a student at Louisiana State
University in New Orleans during the 1962-63 school year. In 1958,
LSU-NO, now the University of New Orleans, became one of the first
racially integrated universities in the South. One of the most vocal
opponents of that decision was W. Guy Banister. It is now common
knowledge that Banister recruited LSU-NO students to spy on fellow
students and faculty members, and Banister himself made frequent visits
to the campus to make his feelings known.
 
One day in May 1963, Michael Kurtz attended an informal meeting in an
unoccupied LSU-NO classroom where Guy Banister debated a number of
students on the issue of integration. Banister was introduced by an LSU
student named George Higganbothan. Kurtz knew of Banister; he'd seen
him on campus on perhaps a half-dozen occasions to this and would see
him a few times more. Guy Banister brought a young man to the meeting with him;
Banister introduced the young man as Lee Oswald. Banister debated
integration with the students, arguing for a return to full segregation
and criticizing the group for attending an integrated school. While
Banister tangled with the pro-integration collegiates, Oswald seemed to
fade into the background, and -- to the best of Kurtz' recollection --
said nothing. "If he did," Dr. Kurtz says, "I didn't hear him" (Author's
interview of October 5, 1998).
 
George Higgenbothan told Kurtz that Oswald and Banister made a second
visit to LSU, however, and the second time it was the alleged leftist
OSWALD who argued passionately against desegregation (Interview with
Michael L. Kurtz, December 2, 1998). Higgenbothan had told the Orleans
Parish DA's office in 1967 that he indeed had known Oswald (Garrison
files).


Who is telling the truth - Vincent Bugliosi or WhoKilledJFK.net when they state that Garrisons files state that Higgenbothan did or did not know Oswald and visually see him? Its noteworthy that Higgenbothan was gay (according to Bugliosi). Oswald keeps appearing to be seen in the company of gay people in New Orleans.
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Re: Higgenbothan - Did he know Oswald?
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2021, 04:55:01 PM »
In the PDF notes of "Reclaiming History" it says:

The only other person who possibly connects Oswald to Banister, though he
doesn’t claim to have seen the two in each other’s presence, is a former investigator
for Banister, George Higgenbotham. Higgenbotham told a DA investigator during
a series of interviews on April 12, 16, and 17, 1968, that one time he was kidding
Banister about sharing a building with people passing out leaflets on the street,
and Banister said, “Cool it. One of them is one of mine.” Note that there’s no reference
to Oswald, or what the leaflets even said, and Banister and Higgenbotham
were talking about more than one person passing out leaflets, whereas Oswald, with
the exception of the time in front of the Trade Mart, was the only known person
passing out Fair Play for Cuba leaflets. Further, Higgenbotham worked for Banister
in 1960–1961, and Oswald wasn’t even in New Orleans during this period,
though Higgenbotham continued to have some social contact with Banister after
that. The information Higgenbotham furnished the DA’s office, possibly because
he was facing a charge of marijuana possession, was further suspect. For instance,
he said a fellow gay (Higgenbotham was gay), Eddie Porter, told him that Oswald
was a “hustler” on Royal Street. The DA investigator (whose identity is not clear
from the two-page, typewritten document) who interviewed Higgenbotham also
obviously had questions about the latter’s credibility, saying that “much of what
George said was difficult to orientate,” adding that “I was never sure whether what
he said was meant to be bait or not.”


And then from the website http://whokilledjfk.net/oswald1.htm it says:

Historian Dr. Michael L. Kurtz was a student at Louisiana State
University in New Orleans during the 1962-63 school year. In 1958,
LSU-NO, now the University of New Orleans, became one of the first
racially integrated universities in the South. One of the most vocal
opponents of that decision was W. Guy Banister. It is now common
knowledge that Banister recruited LSU-NO students to spy on fellow
students and faculty members, and Banister himself made frequent visits
to the campus to make his feelings known.
 
One day in May 1963, Michael Kurtz attended an informal meeting in an
unoccupied LSU-NO classroom where Guy Banister debated a number of
students on the issue of integration. Banister was introduced by an LSU
student named George Higganbothan. Kurtz knew of Banister; he'd seen
him on campus on perhaps a half-dozen occasions to this and would see
him a few times more. Guy Banister brought a young man to the meeting with him;
Banister introduced the young man as Lee Oswald. Banister debated
integration with the students, arguing for a return to full segregation
and criticizing the group for attending an integrated school. While
Banister tangled with the pro-integration collegiates, Oswald seemed to
fade into the background, and -- to the best of Kurtz' recollection --
said nothing. "If he did," Dr. Kurtz says, "I didn't hear him" (Author's
interview of October 5, 1998).
 
George Higgenbothan told Kurtz that Oswald and Banister made a second
visit to LSU, however, and the second time it was the alleged leftist
OSWALD who argued passionately against desegregation (Interview with
Michael L. Kurtz, December 2, 1998). Higgenbothan had told the Orleans
Parish DA's office in 1967 that he indeed had known Oswald (Garrison
files).


Who is telling the truth - Vincent Bugliosi or WhoKilledJFK.net when they state that Garrisons files state that Higgenbothan did or did not know Oswald and visually see him? Its noteworthy that Higgenbothan was gay (according to Bugliosi). Oswald keeps appearing to be seen in the company of gay people in New Orleans.

The only other person who possibly connects Oswald to Banister, though he doesn’t claim to have seen the two in each other’s presence, is a former investigator for Banister, George Higgenbotham.

Perhaps you've forgotten that Banister nearly killed Jack Martin, by beating him with a .357 magnum revolver, because Just a couple of hours after it was announced that Lee Oswald had been arrested.  Jack Martin reminded Bannister that Lee Oswald had practically lived at 544 Camp street the previous summer.... and he had seen Lee Oswald talking to Banister in Banister's office many times.    Banister nearly killed Martin for saying that....  Just a few months later when the WC was investigating the murder of JFK....Banister "committed suicide"......  Just as George De Morhenschildt " committed suicide" when the heat became unbearable...
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Re: Higgenbothan - Did he know Oswald?
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2021, 05:43:49 PM »
The only other person who possibly connects Oswald to Banister, though he doesn’t claim to have seen the two in each other’s presence, is a former investigator for Banister, George Higgenbotham.

Perhaps you've forgotten that Banister nearly killed Jack Martin, by beating him with a .357 magnum revolver, because Just a couple of hours after it was announced that Lee Oswald had been arrested.  Jack Martin reminded Bannister that Lee Oswald had practically lived at 544 Camp street the previous summer.... and he had seen Lee Oswald talking to Banister in Banister's office many times.    Banister nearly killed Martin for saying that....  Just a few months later when the WC was investigating the murder of JFK....Banister committed suicide......

Ironically, Jack Martins is strong proof that Oswald never set foot in Bannisters office. After the assassination on Nov 25th and Nov 27th, Jack Martins gave two statements to the FBI in which he was bending over backwards trying to tie Ferrie to Oswald. Here are the two statements: https://www.jfk-online.com/jpsjmfbi63.html 

If Oswald had been in Bannisters office and had met with both Bannister and Ferrie (as Martins said to Jim Garrison - see below), wasn't the Nov 25th 1963 FBI statement Martins gave the perfect time to tell the FBI that Oswald had been Bannisters officer and had met with both Bannister and Ferrie? The very fact Martins makes no mention of Bannister anywhere in the FBI statement (even though Bannister had just beat him) is strong evidence that Oswald was never in Bannisters office that summer especially since Jack Martins was in that office the whole time that summer.

Here is what Jack Martins told Jim Garrisson (a very different story from what he told the FBI on Nov 25th and 27th). If Martins wanted to tie Ferrie to Oswald, then Martins should have told the FBI what he told Jim Garrison. The fact that he didn't, is evidence that Martins simply made it up later for Jim Garrison. Or Garrison himself made up the story.


Jim Garrison, On the Trail of the Assassins (1988)

Martin was seated across my desk, his anxious gaze fixed on my every move. An on-again, off-again alcoholic, he was a thin man with deeply circled, worried eyes. Although he had been written off as a nonentity by many, I had long regarded him as a quick-witted and highly observant, if slightly disorganized, private detective. I had known him casually as far back as my days as an assistant D.A. and always had gotten along well with him.

"Jack," I said, "why don't you relax a little? You should know by now that you're among friends here."

He nodded nervously. He was seated in the roomy, upholstered chair across from my desk, but he looked most uncomfortable. I offered him some coffee. "You're not under cross-examination. Jack," I said "I just want a little help. Understand?"

"The police report says the reason Banister beat you was you had an argument over telephone bills." I pulled a copy of the police report from my desk drawer and shoved it across to him. "Here, take a look at it." He bent his head over and examined it as if he had never seen it before. I was sure that he had seen it many times, probably even had a copy at home.

After a moment he looked up without saying a word. His eyes told me he was deeply concerned about something.

"Now, does a simple argument over phone bills sound like a believable explanation to you?" I asked.

I waited. Then, dreamily, he shook his head slowly. "No," he admitted. "It involved more than that."

"How much more?"

Again I waited. He breathed deeply, sucking in the air.

"It started like it was going to be nothing at all," he began. "We'd both been drinking at Katzenjammer's - maybe more than usual, because of the assassination and all. Banister especially."

Pausing to chug down another cup of coffee, he made a real effort to collect his thoughts.

"Well, when we came back to the office. Banister started hitching about one thing and then another. He was in a mean mood. Then all of a sudden, he accused me of going through his private files. Now I never went through his private stuff ever - absolutely never. And that really ticked me off."

He hesitated for a long moment.

"Go on. Jack," I said gently.

"I guess I blew up," he continued, his face flushed with memories of injustice. "That's when I told him he'd better not talk to me like that. I told him I remembered the people I had seen around the office that summer. And that's when he hit me. Fast as a flash - pulled out that big Magnum and slammed me on the side of the head with it."

"Just because you remembered the people you'd seen at his office the past summer?" I asked.

"Yeah, that's all it took. He went bananas on that one."

"And just who were the people you'd seen in the office that summer?" I prodded softly.

"There was a bunch of them. It was like a circus. There were all those Cubans - coming in and going out, coming in and going out. They all looked alike to me."

Someone once commenced that whenever you really want to do something unseen, whenever you go to great pains to make sure that you are unobserved, there always turns out to be someone who was sitting under the oak tree. At the strange place that was Banister's office. Jack Martin, unnoticed in the middle of it all, was the one sitting under the oak tree.

He drew a long breath and then went on. "Then there were all these other characters. There was Dave Ferrie - you know about him by now."

"Was he there very often?" I asked.

"Often? He practically lived there."

Then Martin fell silent. I saw by the look in his eyes that he had come to a full stop.

I was not about to let my weekend visit to 544 Camp Street go down the drain that easily, so I gave him a hand. 'And Lee Harvey Oswald'" I added.

Jack swallowed, then nodded. It was almost as if he felt relief in finally having a burden lifted from him. "Yeah, he was there too. Sometimes he'd be meeting with Guy Banister with the door shut. Other times he'd be shooting the bull with Dave Ferrie. But he was there all right."

"What was Guy Banister doing while all this was going on?"

"Hell, he was the one running the circus."

"What about his private detective work?"

"Not much of that came in, but when it did, I handled it. That's why I was there."

"So, Jack," I said. "Just what was going on at Banister's office?"

He held up his hand. "I can't answer that," he said firmly. "I can't go into that stuff at all." Unexpectedly, he stood up. "I think I'd better go," he said.

"Hold on. Jack. What's the problem with our going into what was happening at Banister's office?"

"What's the problem?" he said. "What's the problem?" he repeated, as if in disbelief. "The problem is that we're going to bring the goddamned federal government down on our backs. Do I need to spell it out? I could get killed - and so could you."

He turned around. "I'd better go," he mumbled. He wobbled as he headed for the door.

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Re: Higgenbothan - Did he know Oswald?
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2021, 07:10:33 PM »
In the PDF notes of "Reclaiming History" it says:

The only other person who possibly connects Oswald to Banister, though he
doesn’t claim to have seen the two in each other’s presence, is a former investigator
for Banister, George Higgenbotham. Higgenbotham told a DA investigator during
a series of interviews on April 12, 16, and 17, 1968, that one time he was kidding
Banister about sharing a building with people passing out leaflets on the street,
and Banister said, “Cool it. One of them is one of mine.” Note that there’s no reference
to Oswald, or what the leaflets even said, and Banister and Higgenbotham
were talking about more than one person passing out leaflets, whereas Oswald, with
the exception of the time in front of the Trade Mart, was the only known person
passing out Fair Play for Cuba leaflets. Further, Higgenbotham worked for Banister
in 1960–1961, and Oswald wasn’t even in New Orleans during this period,
though Higgenbotham continued to have some social contact with Banister after
that. The information Higgenbotham furnished the DA’s office, possibly because
he was facing a charge of marijuana possession, was further suspect. For instance,
he said a fellow gay (Higgenbotham was gay), Eddie Porter, told him that Oswald
was a “hustler” on Royal Street. The DA investigator (whose identity is not clear
from the two-page, typewritten document) who interviewed Higgenbotham also
obviously had questions about the latter’s credibility, saying that “much of what
George said was difficult to orientate,” adding that “I was never sure whether what
he said was meant to be bait or not.”


And then from the website http://whokilledjfk.net/oswald1.htm it says:

Historian Dr. Michael L. Kurtz was a student at Louisiana State
University in New Orleans during the 1962-63 school year. In 1958,
LSU-NO, now the University of New Orleans, became one of the first
racially integrated universities in the South. One of the most vocal
opponents of that decision was W. Guy Banister. It is now common
knowledge that Banister recruited LSU-NO students to spy on fellow
students and faculty members, and Banister himself made frequent visits
to the campus to make his feelings known.
 
One day in May 1963, Michael Kurtz attended an informal meeting in an
unoccupied LSU-NO classroom where Guy Banister debated a number of
students on the issue of integration. Banister was introduced by an LSU
student named George Higganbothan. Kurtz knew of Banister; he'd seen
him on campus on perhaps a half-dozen occasions to this and would see
him a few times more. Guy Banister brought a young man to the meeting with him;
Banister introduced the young man as Lee Oswald. Banister debated
integration with the students, arguing for a return to full segregation
and criticizing the group for attending an integrated school. While
Banister tangled with the pro-integration collegiates, Oswald seemed to
fade into the background, and -- to the best of Kurtz' recollection --
said nothing. "If he did," Dr. Kurtz says, "I didn't hear him" (Author's
interview of October 5, 1998).
 
George Higgenbothan told Kurtz that Oswald and Banister made a second
visit to LSU, however, and the second time it was the alleged leftist
OSWALD who argued passionately against desegregation (Interview with
Michael L. Kurtz, December 2, 1998). Higgenbothan had told the Orleans
Parish DA's office in 1967 that he indeed had known Oswald (Garrison
files).


Who is telling the truth - Vincent Bugliosi or WhoKilledJFK.net when they state that Garrisons files state that Higgenbothan did or did not know Oswald and visually see him? Its noteworthy that Higgenbothan was gay (according to Bugliosi). Oswald keeps appearing to be seen in the company of gay people in New Orleans.
Mr. Kurtz wrote an article on Oswald in 1980 (linked below) and supposedly later a book on the assassination (I can't find the source for this one). In neither publication did he mention seeing Oswald with Banister at any time. He does mention Oswald being seen by unnamed people with Banister. But again he himself is never mentioned as one of those sources.

It is only later in his 2013 book "Crime of the Century" that he says one of the sources was himself. I find it, well, strange that he wold never mention earlier that he HIMSELF saw Oswald with Banister.

It's certainly conceivable to me that Banister saw Oswald outside the Trade Mart distributing his flyers or advocating for Castro and was curious about him.  So wouldn't he talk to Oswald, try go find out what he was up to and who (if anyone) he was associated with? That is far different, of course, than what Kurtz said he saw them doing.

Banister's secretary and fiance Delphine Roberts told the Garrison investigators that he would often talk to groups on the left or right as part of his job gathering intelligence for his work. She also never mentioned during the interview seeing Banister with Oswald or him mentioning after the assassination about knowing Oswald. Years later however she said that Oswald regularly visited Banister's officer.

In any case, Kurtz's 1980 piece is here: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ngarchive/4231952.pdf

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Re: Higgenbothan - Did he know Oswald?
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2021, 07:40:33 PM »
In any case, Kurtz's 1980 piece is here: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ngarchive/4231952.pdf

Jim DiEugenio contradicts McAdams portrayal of Mr Kurtz. He does it on the second video on this page: http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/07/dvp-vs-dieugenio-part-27.html   at 1 hour, 39 minutes and 30 seconds in. McAdams seems unsure of himself in response to this.

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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2021, 07:58:11 PM »
Kurtz's descriptions of Oswald being with Banister make little sense to me. If Oswald is, in essence, a double agent working for Banister - pretending to be a Castro supporter to infiltrate pro-Castro groups that he then reports on to Banister - then why all of these appearances WITH Banister? Isn't that blowing his cover?

Again: Kurtz wrote several pieces where he mentions Banister being seen with Oswald. He cites unnamed sources. Then years later he reveals that he was one of those sources.

That's not credible to me.


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Kurtz's descriptions of Oswald being with Banister make little sense to me. If Oswald is, in essence, a double agent working for Banister - pretending to be a Castro supporter to infiltrate pro-Castro groups that he then reports on to Banister - then why all of these appearances WITH Banister? Isn't that blowing his cover?

Again: Kurtz wrote several pieces where he mentions Banister being seen with Oswald. He cites unnamed sources. Then years later he reveals that he was one of those sources.

That's not credible to me.

Could Oswald have been trying to infiltrate Banister?

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Ironically, Jack Martins is strong proof that Oswald never set foot in Bannisters office. After the assassination on Nov 25th and Nov 27th, Jack Martins gave two statements to the FBI in which he was bending over backwards trying to tie Ferrie to Oswald. Here are the two statements: https://www.jfk-online.com/jpsjmfbi63.html 

If Oswald had been in Bannisters office and had met with both Bannister and Ferrie (as Martins said to Jim Garrison - see below), wasn't the Nov 25th 1963 FBI statement Martins gave the perfect time to tell the FBI that Oswald had been Bannisters officer and had met with both Bannister and Ferrie? The very fact Martins makes no mention of Bannister anywhere in the FBI statement (even though Bannister had just beat him) is strong evidence that Oswald was never in Bannisters office that summer especially since Jack Martins was in that office the whole time that summer.

Here is what Jack Martins told Jim Garrisson (a very different story from what he told the FBI on Nov 25th and 27th). If Martins wanted to tie Ferrie to Oswald, then Martins should have told the FBI what he told Jim Garrison. The fact that he didn't, is evidence that Martins simply made it up later for Jim Garrison. Or Garrison himself made up the story.


Jim Garrison, On the Trail of the Assassins (1988)

Martin was seated across my desk, his anxious gaze fixed on my every move. An on-again, off-again alcoholic, he was a thin man with deeply circled, worried eyes. Although he had been written off as a nonentity by many, I had long regarded him as a quick-witted and highly observant, if slightly disorganized, private detective. I had known him casually as far back as my days as an assistant D.A. and always had gotten along well with him.

"Jack," I said, "why don't you relax a little? You should know by now that you're among friends here."

He nodded nervously. He was seated in the roomy, upholstered chair across from my desk, but he looked most uncomfortable. I offered him some coffee. "You're not under cross-examination. Jack," I said "I just want a little help. Understand?"

"The police report says the reason Banister beat you was you had an argument over telephone bills." I pulled a copy of the police report from my desk drawer and shoved it across to him. "Here, take a look at it." He bent his head over and examined it as if he had never seen it before. I was sure that he had seen it many times, probably even had a copy at home.

After a moment he looked up without saying a word. His eyes told me he was deeply concerned about something.

"Now, does a simple argument over phone bills sound like a believable explanation to you?" I asked.

I waited. Then, dreamily, he shook his head slowly. "No," he admitted. "It involved more than that."

"How much more?"

Again I waited. He breathed deeply, sucking in the air.

"It started like it was going to be nothing at all," he began. "We'd both been drinking at Katzenjammer's - maybe more than usual, because of the assassination and all. Banister especially."

Pausing to chug down another cup of coffee, he made a real effort to collect his thoughts.

"Well, when we came back to the office. Banister started hitching about one thing and then another. He was in a mean mood. Then all of a sudden, he accused me of going through his private files. Now I never went through his private stuff ever - absolutely never. And that really ticked me off."

He hesitated for a long moment.

"Go on. Jack," I said gently.

"I guess I blew up," he continued, his face flushed with memories of injustice. "That's when I told him he'd better not talk to me like that. I told him I remembered the people I had seen around the office that summer. And that's when he hit me. Fast as a flash - pulled out that big Magnum and slammed me on the side of the head with it."

"Just because you remembered the people you'd seen at his office the past summer?" I asked.

"Yeah, that's all it took. He went bananas on that one."

"And just who were the people you'd seen in the office that summer?" I prodded softly.

"There was a bunch of them. It was like a circus. There were all those Cubans - coming in and going out, coming in and going out. They all looked alike to me."

Someone once commenced that whenever you really want to do something unseen, whenever you go to great pains to make sure that you are unobserved, there always turns out to be someone who was sitting under the oak tree. At the strange place that was Banister's office. Jack Martin, unnoticed in the middle of it all, was the one sitting under the oak tree.

He drew a long breath and then went on. "Then there were all these other characters. There was Dave Ferrie - you know about him by now."

"Was he there very often?" I asked.

"Often? He practically lived there."

Then Martin fell silent. I saw by the look in his eyes that he had come to a full stop.

I was not about to let my weekend visit to 544 Camp Street go down the drain that easily, so I gave him a hand. 'And Lee Harvey Oswald'" I added.

Jack swallowed, then nodded. It was almost as if he felt relief in finally having a burden lifted from him. "Yeah, he was there too. Sometimes he'd be meeting with Guy Banister with the door shut. Other times he'd be shooting the bull with Dave Ferrie. But he was there all right."

"What was Guy Banister doing while all this was going on?"

"Hell, he was the one running the circus."

"What about his private detective work?"

"Not much of that came in, but when it did, I handled it. That's why I was there."

"So, Jack," I said. "Just what was going on at Banister's office?"

He held up his hand. "I can't answer that," he said firmly. "I can't go into that stuff at all." Unexpectedly, he stood up. "I think I'd better go," he said.

"Hold on. Jack. What's the problem with our going into what was happening at Banister's office?"

"What's the problem?" he said. "What's the problem?" he repeated, as if in disbelief. "The problem is that we're going to bring the goddamned federal government down on our backs. Do I need to spell it out? I could get killed - and so could you."

He turned around. "I'd better go," he mumbled. He wobbled as he headed for the door.


"He advised he had three telephone conversations with Assistant District Attorney HERMAN KOHLMAN, New Orleans, on Saturday, November 23, 1963, in which he told KOHLMAN that FERRIE had guns similar to the type used to kill President KENNEDY that had appeared on television, and further informed KOHLMAN that HARDY DAVIS had told him FERRIE possessed Cuban propaganda literature that he kept in attorney G. WRAY GILL's office in New Orleans, but GILL made FERRIE move it approximately a year ago. MARTIN said DAVIS claimed it was Fair Play for Cuba Committee literature but MARTIN did not believe it, because he knew FERRIE was active with the Cuban Front Group that was anti-Castro."

So what if Ferrie was Anti Castro....  Can you think of a better way to lure Castro's agents into revealing themselves then to pretend to be pro Castro by handing out FPFCC literature.