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Offline Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: Bronson saw Hickey shoot JFK.
« Reply #48 on: January 15, 2023, 08:57:01 PM »
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I'll ask again as I did previously.
How does a rifle (more than likely pointed downward at a 45° into the floorboard initially) end up shooting an object that is approx 2.5° lower in elevation than the rifle barrel, firing from someone's armpit?
My #44 answers your #43 -- but i now add the following.
In my below drawing on the side-photo of Queen Mary…..
…..If Hickey was as per his standard height (green ellipse shows his head) then he would have to hold the AR15 at almost chin height to do the dirt deed.
…..If Hickey's was half way up to being fully erect (blue ellipse shows head height but not necessarily pozzy) then he would have to hold the AR15 say 1" above chest height.
…..If Hickey were fully erect (red ellipse) then he would have to hold the AR15 say 4"  below chest height.
Now, the (poor 2017 museum copy of the) Bronson footage shows us that at UYB07 (which is equivalent to Z312)(the time of the headshot) Hickey was indeed at that frame half erect (height = blue ellipse).
And, we can't see (too blurry) whether Hickey was ever higher than the blue ellipse – he might have been (his auto burst must have started a say half second before Z313, ie at say Z304 or earlier).
The AR15 was laying somewhere on the floor – Hickey grabbed it & lifted it up with difficulty in the small space between his feet & the back of O'Donnell's jump seat – probly pointed down a bit – then he lifted it above O'Donnell's head & swung it around from pointing left to pointing right – while shimmying to Hickey's right so that he could get his legs out of the cramped space behind O'Donnell's seat (there was 3" of air between the front of Hickey's seat & the back of the top of O'Donnell's seat)(it was impossible to stand unless Hickey bent forward at say 45 deg while jamming his crutch forcefully into the back of O'Donnell's head)(so, Hickey had to shimmy to the center of Queen Mary).
Hickey would have intended to swing around to the rear towards the TSBD – but he didn’t get that far – Kinney braked Queen Mary & Hickey lurched forward onto O'Donnell (there was one witness) -- & Hickey accidentally squeezed the trigger (he should not have put his finger on the trigger until he had a definite target)(this was Hickey's first day with the AR15)(the AR15 was on SAFETY & cocked & loaded)(according to SSA Floyd Boring & according to SSA Kellerman)(Hickey flicked the selector back past SEMI all the way to AUTO while he was lifting it).
The first shot of the accidental auto burst (of at least 4 shots) went over the windshield of the JFK limo – this or a later shot resulted in Tague's bloody left cheek. The AR15 swung downwards as Hickey fell – an AR15 usually naturally swings up during a burst, but the up was trumped by the down.
The 2nd last shot of the burst passed over the windshield of Queen Mary & under the divider/rollbar of the JFK limo, & made a huge dent in the chrome trim above & just right of the rear vision mirror – it must have been a hollow-point koz a sharp nosed slug would have made a hole.
The last shot of the burst hit JFK in the head, & the remnant slug veered 6 deg & cracked the windshield – the remnant slug must have then bounced out onto the street without hitting anyone.
Hickey then fell backward back onto the 2 leather cases – his standard half sitting half standing pozzy (a few witnesses)(& as seen in the Bronson footage).
While lifting & swinging he could have had the AR15 under his armpit (as u insist) -- or more likely the AR15 was out in front of him & a little higher than his armpit (my reckoning) – bearing in mind that he had to lift the AR15 well up over O'Donnell's head to swing around (so, no, the AR15 was not in Hickey's armpit)(it was out front, & high up).
Re your linked footage – the shooter duznt ever place his AR15 anywhere near his armpit – this duznt help your argument – why did u include that link?

So, which bit(s) of my Hickey theory do u rate as impossible or improbable or whatever?
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Re: Bronson saw Hickey shoot JFK.
« Reply #48 on: January 15, 2023, 08:57:01 PM »


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Re: Bronson saw Hickey shoot JFK.
« Reply #49 on: January 15, 2023, 10:16:28 PM »

Funny -- in the above screenprint from a SS youtube of a re-enactment, it is probly Hickey driving Queen Mary -- believe it or knot.

Funny -- i bort my billiards table from a guy who needed the $15,000 to help pay for & ship a 1956 Cadillac from theusofa where he had bort it at auction -- it had dunn only 4 miles on the oddometer i think & had been in a showroom all its life.
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Re: Bronson saw Hickey shoot JFK.
« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2023, 01:06:22 AM »
Here are 2 gifs of the Bell footage that i made this week. If u download the 2 gifs u can watch them in full screen.
If u have a close look u can see that Hickey has the AR15 in both hands for most of the gif.


(See below) The guy far left is running koz a few seconds ago some of Hickey's auto burst whizzed just west of the lamp-pole very near to where the guy had been standing (one of the ricochets bloodied Tague's left cheek).

Bell's footage is hard evidence re the AR15, allbeit a long time after Z312.

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Re: Bronson saw Hickey shoot JFK.
« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2023, 01:06:22 AM »


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Re: Bronson saw Hickey shoot JFK.
« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2023, 01:12:18 AM »
My #44 answers your #43 -- but i now add the following.
In my below drawing on the side-photo of Queen Mary…..
…..If Hickey was as per his standard height (green ellipse shows his head) then he would have to hold the AR15 at almost chin height to do the dirt deed.
…..If Hickey's was half way up to being fully erect (blue ellipse shows head height but not necessarily pozzy) then he would have to hold the AR15 say 1" above chest height.
…..If Hickey were fully erect (red ellipse) then he would have to hold the AR15 say 4"  below chest height.
Now, the (poor 2017 museum copy of the) Bronson footage shows us that at B07 (which is equivalent to Z312)(the time of the headshot) Hickey was indeed at that frame half erect (height = blue ellipse).
And, we can't see (too blurry) whether Hickey was ever higher than the blue ellipse – he might have been (his auto burst must have started a say half second before Z313, ie at say Z304 or earlier).
The AR15 was laying somewhere on the floor – Hickey grabbed it & lifted it up with difficulty in the small space between his feet & the back of O'Donnell's jump seat – probly pointed down a bit – then he lifted it above O'Donnell's head & swung it around from pointing left to pointing right – while shimmying to Hickey's right so that he could get his legs out of the cramped space behind O'Donnel's seat (there was 3" of air between the front of Hickey's seat & the back of the top of O'Donnell's seat)(it was impossible to stand unless Hickey bent forward at say 45 deg while jamming his crutch forcefully into the back of O'Donnell's head)(so, Hickey had to shimmy to the center of Queen Mary).
Hickey would have intended to swing around to the rear towards the TSBD – but he didn’t get that far – Kinney braked Queen Mary & Hickey lurched forward onto O'Donnell (there was one witness) -- & Hickey accidentally squeezed the trigger (he should not have put his finger on the trigger until he had a definite target)(this was Hickey's first day with the AR15)(the AR15 was on SAFETY & cocked & loaded)(according to SSA Floyd Boring & according to SSA Kellerman)(Hickey flicked the selector back past SEMI all the way to AUTO while he was lifting it).
The first shot of the accidental auto burst (of at least 4 shots) went over the windshield of the JFK limo – this or a later shot resulted in Tague's bloody left cheek. The AR15 swung downwards as Hickey fell – an AR15 usually naturally swings up during a burst, but the up was trumped by the down.
The 2nd last shot of the burst passed over the windshield of Queen Mary & under the divider/rollbar of the JFK limo, & made a huge dent in the chrome trim above & just right of the rear vision mirror – it must have been a hollow-point koz a sharp nosed slug would have made a hole.
The last shot of the burst hit JFK in the head, & the remnant slug veered 6 deg & cracked the windshield – the remnant slug must have then bounced out onto the street without hitting anyone.
Hickey then fell backward back onto the 2 leather cases – his standard half sitting half standing pozzy (a few witnesses)(& as seen in the Bronson footage).
While lifting & swinging he could have had the AR15 under his armpit (as u insist) -- or more likely the AR15 was out in front of him & a little higher than his armpit (my reckoning) – bearing in mind that he had to lift the AR15 well up over O'Donnell's head to swing around (so, no, the AR15 was not in Hickey's armpit)(it was out front, & high up).
Re your linked footage – the shooter duznt ever place his AR15 anywhere near his armpit – this duznt help your argument – why did u include that link?

So, which bit(s) of my Hickey theory do u rate as impossible or improbable or whatever?

         This is flawed from the jump. Hickey "sitting high up" was NOT at the same level as the guy in front of him. He was well above the guys in front of him and the agent alongside him in that back seat. You need to look at the films again. And that Bell footage issa joke. You can Not tell which agent is which. They coulda shifted around inside the Limo. This is currently not worthy of consideration.
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Re: Bronson saw Hickey shoot JFK.
« Reply #52 on: November 21, 2023, 02:26:36 AM »
         This is flawed from the jump. Hickey "sitting high up" was NOT at the same level as the guy in front of him. He was well above the guys in front of him and the agent alongside him in that back seat. You need to look at the films again. And that Bell footage issa joke. You can Not tell which agent is which. They coulda shifted around inside the Limo. This is currently not worthy of consideration.
U should read all of my comments on this thread.

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Re: Bronson saw Hickey shoot JFK.
« Reply #53 on: November 21, 2023, 02:43:59 AM »
U should read all of my comments on this thread.

   The above is NOT a response to your putting Hickey at the WRONG HEIGHT inside the JFK Limo. And the Bell Footage you are offering as proof even FAILS the Mr Magoo Test.

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Re: Bronson saw Hickey shoot JFK.
« Reply #54 on: March 05, 2024, 07:38:16 AM »
Here is my latest analysis of Weissman's analysis of the Museum's copies of the Bronson film & scans,
 including my old analysis of Robin Unger's copies of the Bronson frames from Robin's website.
The columns are as follows....
                  
B          Nominal Bronson Bframes 26 total
UYB        Unger 's 2017 youtube UYB frames 20 total
          missing Unger UYB frames 6 total
2019         Museum's 2019 copies of 26 frames
Z frames      Z frame number if Bronson at 12fps & Zapruder at 18.3fps
   
B   UYB   M   2019   Z frames
   
B01   UYB01                91963   297.3750   
B02     02A   missing   91965   298.9000   
B03   UYB02                91967   300.4250   
B04   UYB03                91969   301.9500   
B05   UYB04                91971   303.4750   
B06   UYB05                91973    Z305   Left foot is on grass in B06.0 & in Z305.0 according to Weissman synchronization.
B07     06A   missing   91975   306.5250   
B08   UYB06                91977   308.0500   
B09   UYB07                91979   309.5750   Hickey is a half head higher in UYB07 (ie a half head below standing Agents).
B10     08A   missing   91981   311.1000   
                                                 Z312           91981.59    At say Z312.0 Hickey fires last shot of accidental auto burst of at least 4 shots.
B11   UYB08                91983   312.6250   Weissman says Z313 is just past 91983 (ie i reckon at 91983.25).
                                                 Z313            91983.25    At Z313.0 JFK's head has exploded.
B12   UYB09                91985   314.1500   Single blobby stick can be seen in UYB09 (at 50deg). Swishing AR15 can be seen in 91985 (45deg to 55deg).
B13   UYB10                91987   315.6750   
B14   UYB11                91989   317.2000   The AR15 can be seen in UYB11 (at 85deg).
B15     12A   missing   91991   318.7250   
B16   UYB12                91993   320.2500   Double sticks (artifacts)(not the AR15) can be seen in UYB12 (at 00deg).
B17   UYB13                91995   321.7750   
B18   UYB14                91997   323.3   
B19     15A   missing   91999   324.825   
B20     15B   missing   92001   326.35   
B21   UYB15                92003   327.8750   
B22   UYB16                92005   329.4000   
B23   UYB17                92007   330.9250   
B24   UYB18                92009   332.4500   
B25   UYB19                92011   333.9750   Weissman's report shows large copy of B25, small copies of 91993 91985 &91983, large of 91973.
B26   UYB20   blurry   92013   335.5000   
                  
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Re: Bronson saw Hickey shoot JFK.
« Reply #55 on: March 05, 2024, 08:04:21 AM »
How did Robin Unger miss 6 of the 26 frames?
Weissman tells us that the Museum gave him 26 2017 frames & 26 2019 frames. So, we can assume that that Bronson sequence in mid Elm St had at least 26 frames. But, praps there were more than 26, ie the Museum might have hidden some frames. But lets assume that there were only 26.

(1) Praps the Museum's 2017 youtube had 6 frames missing koz the Museum wilfully hid 6  frames.
(2) Praps the Museum's 2017 youtube had 6 frames missing koz the Museum accidentally hid 6  frames.
(3) Praps Robin Unger missed seeing/finding 6 of the 26 frames on youtube.
(4) Praps Robin skipped copying the 6 frames koz the 6 were too blurry. This is unlikely, if true then whey did Robin include his last frame UYB20 even tho this was very blurry.
Re (1), would the Museum hide frames that obviously showed the AR15?
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