Author Topic: The precise location of a bullet hole in the windshield of JFK's limousine.  (Read 1717 times)

Offline Christer Jacobsson

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An interesting and informative interview concerning the location of a bullet hole in the limousine windshield, the hole was located just above the metal near the bottom of the glass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx2DhBgasCM    Thumb1:

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Online Marjan Rynkiewicz

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I spent hours looking into the supposed hole, all hole statements are baloney.
Fragment CE567 or CE569 of Hickey's AR15 bullet that killed JFK in Z313 hit the inside of the windshield just left of mirror (ie driver's side), there are photos of the cracked windshield on the day & on the next day & recent (the cracked windshield is today on display)(the modern cracks go completely across).
Lead fragments were taken from the impact area, on the inside.
The cracks were (& i would say "are" except that i havent inspected the windshield myself) on the outside layer of the laminated glass.
There was a very small chip missing on the outside.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2021, 03:12:03 PM by Marjan Rynkiewicz »

Online Steve M. Galbraith

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How do we know this supposed "hole" was caused by a bullet? How do we know it was a hole and not a crack?

Robert Frazier of the FBI testified that he examined the limo. He said this about the windshield (this is from his testimony in the Clay Shaw trial).

Q: Did you find anything unusual about the windshield and if so, please describe that condition?
A: The windshield was partially broken in a star-shaped fashion, that is there was a crack in the windshield. I made a specific examination of it to determine what caused the crack. I found on the inside surface of the windshield a deposit of lead which had been forced against the glass and had splattered and as a result determined the glass had been broken by the impact of a projectile striking the inside surface of the glass and fracturing the windshield in the outer layer.
Q: Upon what did you base your determination that the glass had been hit by a projectile hitting the inside rather than the outside?
A: As a result of having examined hundreds of pieces of glass which have been broken in a known fashion, that is by a blow delivered in a known way, it is possible by studying the radial cracks or fractures emanating from the point of force to determine the side of the glass on which the force was applied.
Using the stress lines left on this glass at the time the glass was broken and caused by the object which broke the glass it is possible to determine the direction the force was applied. This examination of the cracks showed that the pressure had been applied on the inside surface.
Q: Now the opinion which you formed as to which side of the windshield had been hit, Mr. Frazier, was that a definite opinion or was there any doubt in your mind as an expert?
A: It is a definite conclusion.

Full testimony is here: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/frazrsh.htm
« Last Edit: February 14, 2021, 08:38:20 PM by Steve M. Galbraith »

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I spent hours looking into the supposed hole, all hole statements are baloney.
Fragment CE357 or CE359 of Hickey's AR15 bullet that killed JFK in Z313 hit the inside of the windshield just left of mirror (ie driver's side), there are photos of the cracked windshield on the day & on the next day & recent (the cracked windshield is today on display)(the modern cracks go completely across).
Lead fragments were taken from the impact area, on the inside.
The cracks were (& i would say "are" except that i havent inspected the windshield myself) on the outside layer of the laminated glass.
There was a very small chip missing on the outside.

Information about the theory that agent Hickey should have shot President Kennedy by mistake: https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/Shooting_holes_in_theory_that_a_Secret_Service_agent_killed_President_Kennedy.html


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Information about the theory that agent Hickey should have shot President Kennedy by mistake: https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/Shooting_holes_in_theory_that_a_Secret_Service_agent_killed_President_Kennedy.html
That article stinks. There are lots of good articles re Hickey.
At present i am looking into Bronson's footage of Hickey at about Z313. I hope to see Hickey raised up a little holding his AR15. But its all so blurry.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2021, 12:42:13 PM by Marjan Rynkiewicz »

Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Here's a photo of the note that FBI agent Robert Frazier made regarding his examination of the windshield. Again, he said he recovered "lead" from the inside of the windshield. That could only have been created by a bullet fragment (a hole whole bullet would presumably have gone right through the windshield) hitting the inside and not a bullet entering from the outside.

« Last Edit: February 15, 2021, 01:26:56 AM by Steve M. Galbraith »

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At present i am looking into Bronson's footage of Hickey at about Z313. I hope to see Hickey raised up a little holding his AR15.

Keep on hoping..

1) https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z31YpzXwiQrpxTD59

2) https://photos.app.goo.gl/ubDCqJYsRSNC76yr9

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FBI agent Robert Frazier said he recovered "lead" from the inside of the windshield. That could only have been created by a bullet fragment (a hole bullet would presumably have gone right through the windshield) hitting the inside and not a bullet entering from the outside.



Caused by this: https://photos.app.goo.gl/w8DPZqDB4quwbvtx6


Online Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Here's a photo of the note that FBI agent Robert Frazier made regarding his examination of the windshield. Again, he said he recovered "lead" from the inside of the windshield. That could only have been created by a bullet fragment (a whole bullet would presumably have gone right through the windshield) hitting the inside and not a bullet entering from the outside.
I think that a whole bullet could possibly leave lead on a hole (but of course very unlikely).

I think that CE567 was mainly copper but had lots of lead attached, so this is the likely culprit.
CE569 looks to have almost zero lead, but this probly made the dent in the chrome (how did it not graze the vizor?).

Interestingly (but as expected)(ie there was a conspiracy)(actually lots of conspiracies) there doesnt appear to have been an investigation whether CE567 & CE569 are from an AR15 hollow point 0.223 slug. Does anyone know?

If these 2 fragments came from a Carcano then that would mean that someone must have found some other large fragments of 0.223 in the limo & then that that someone or someone else must have kept these a secret. We know that that is the case because the windshield hasnt got any damage in Altgens-6 which is at Z255, & Oswald's 2nd shot (ie his last shot) was at Z218 (or Z224).

And my mind couldnt cope with CE567 being from a Carcano & CE569 being from an AR15, or vice versa.
« Last Edit: April 08, 2021, 03:03:32 AM by Marjan Rynkiewicz »

Online Dan O'meara

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An interesting and informative interview concerning the location of a bullet hole in the limousine windshield, the hole was located just above the metal near the bottom of the glass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx2DhBgasCM    Thumb1:

Best Regards,
Christer

HI Christer,

just a couple of points about the video I felt worth mentioning. The first is this pic which is supposed to show a crack in the window shown in Altgens 6. The 'white blob' Weldon uses as his crack is actually JFK's shirt. This seems pretty obvious to me:



Secondly, the note Weldon uses to demonstrate there was a hole really low down on the windshield actually blows his proposal out of the water. The note clearly reads:

...HAD BULLET HOLE IN IT, THE
...WAS ABOUT 4 OR 6 INCHES TO
...RIGHT OF THE REAR VIEW MIRROR...




The note is clearly referencing this hole in the windshield:



The note, the centrepiece of Weldon's argument, is not referring to a hole low down on the windshield.

 

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