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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2021, 05:29:06 PM »
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They wanted to get Oswald's prints on a Mauser and then they planted a Carcano, a different type of rifle.

Why couldn't they get Truly's "n****s" to implicate Oswald? They could say - or be forced to say - they saw Oswald carrying a large package with him that day. Or say that he expressed hatred of JFK.

The conspiracy believers think the conspirators could do anything. But they couldn't get Oswald's co-workers to implicate him directly in the assassination. Or get Marina to say he hated JFK. Or get Ruth Paine to say she saw him with a package that morning. Or get Michael to say he saw the rifle. Or get DeMohrenschildt  to say.....on and and on.

We've raised these matters repeatedly with the conspiracy believers. And they can never answer them. A type of conspiracy cognitive dissonance ensues and they get frustrated. If they truly considered them, their beliefs would crumble completely. This is something they cannot allow.

King of the Strawman Argument strikes again!  :D

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2021, 05:29:06 PM »


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2021, 10:10:05 PM »
No, I didn't mean anything of the sort, lol.

In the light of

a) this document---------------



----------------and

b) the known fact that "a _____________ rifle" refers to a Mauser rifle,

and

c) the fact that Lt Day says he put the Carcano in a locked evidence box from ~2pm to ~7pm,

I asked:

'Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?'

And! Lest there be any doubt that "the rifle" referred to in the document refers to a rifle found in the Depository, let us look at the paragraph before-------------



"THE GUN" = "THE RIFLE"

Mr Oswald is telling Captain Fritz he saw Mr Truly handling a Mauser rifle two days before the assassination, and is evidently relating this rifle to a rifle that has been found at the scene of the crime.

But how does Mr Oswald know to relate a Mauser rifle to a rifle found at the scene of the crime if he is not being shown a Mauser rifle and told it was found at the scene of the crime?

Now if only we had some evidence that a Mauser was found at the scene of the crime...................
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2021, 01:28:44 AM »
Mr. BALL. Did you ever bring any guns into the School Book Depository Building?
Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did.
Mr. BALL. When?
Mr. CASTER. I believe it was on Wednesday, November 20, during the noon hour.
Mr. BALL. Whose guns were they?
Mr. CASTER. They were my guns.
Mr. BALL. And what kind of guns were they?
Mr. CASTER. One gun was a Remington, single-shot, .22 rifle, and the other was a .30-06 sporterized Mauser.

Not knowing anything about firearms, I was wondering if "sporterized" meant there was a scope attached.

This testimony means NOTHING.....If you can produce something that Caster said on Friday or Saturday Before they knew that they needed to obfuscate Lee Oswald's statement..... Then it might be believable.

According to the FBI memo...Lee said that he saw TWO rifles....NOT THREE.   And there were NOT more than two men present.

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2021, 02:14:59 AM »

So...does "sporterized" mean it has a scope or not?

"According to the FBI memo...Lee said that he saw TWO rifles....NOT THREE.   And there were NOT more than two men present."

Who mentioned three rifles?
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Online Mitch Todd

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2021, 04:46:58 AM »
So...does "sporterized" mean it has a scope or not?

"According to the FBI memo...Lee said that he saw TWO rifles....NOT THREE.   And there were NOT more than two men present."

Who mentioned three rifles?

Typically, it means that someone took an old military bolt action rifle and shortened the barrel and/or forestock. Sometimes the military-style stock was replaced with a commercial rifle stock. A scope was often part of the equation, but not always.

For reference, two m1903 Springfield rifles, first an original then a sporter (these might be a bit big):


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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2021, 11:33:54 AM »
Thanks for that Richard.
My line of thought was that the Carcano couldn't be mistaken for a "sporterized" deer hunting rifle.
I'm assuming the stock of the Carcano was 'original' and that it hadn't been modifed.

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2021, 10:01:28 PM »
And! Lest there be any doubt that "the rifle" referred to in the document refers to a rifle found in the Depository, let us look at the paragraph before-------------



"THE GUN" = "THE RIFLE"

Mr Oswald is telling Captain Fritz he saw Mr Truly handling a Mauser rifle two days before the assassination, and is evidently relating this rifle to a rifle that has been found at the scene of the crime.

But how does Mr Oswald know to relate a Mauser rifle to a rifle found at the scene of the crime if he is not being shown a Mauser rifle and told it was found at the scene of the crime?

Now if only we had some evidence that a Mauser was found at the scene of the crime...................

Mr Oswald is telling Captain Fritz he saw Mr Truly handling a Mauser rifle two days before the assassination, and is evidently relating this rifle to a rifle that has been found at the scene of the crime.

No that's not correct!....

Mr Oswald is telling Captain Fritz he saw Mr Truly handling a CARCANO rifle two days before the assassination, and is evidently relating this rifle to a rifle that has been found at the scene of the crime.[

When Fritz showed Lee the carcano from the sixth floor and asked him if he'd ever seen it before... Lee Replied that he'd seen it and two other rifles outside Mr Truly's office on the first floor of the TSBD.   

I recently learned that Roy Truly was not familiar with guns and didn't know how to handle a rifle.    Whereas Lee had been trained in the Marine Corps .....    Whoever left the prints on the Carcano magazine did NOT know how to handle a rifle.  You'll notice in the BY photos Lee is holding the carcano at the WOODEN foregrip. I  seriously doubt that Lee would have grabbed the rifle at the magazine.  Whoever left the prints there ....was an ignoramus who would have been doing extra push ups  ....

Any ex GI can tell you that you DO NOT handle a rifle by the metal parts....  ( because sweat can cause rust and corrosion)  r

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2021, 10:11:00 PM »
So...does "sporterized" mean it has a scope or not?

"According to the FBI memo...Lee said that he saw TWO rifles....NOT THREE.   And there were NOT more than two men present."

Who mentioned three rifles?

Sporterized does not mean the converted military rifle would have a scope mounted....Sporterized means primarily that the old military wood of the rifle has been modified or replaced....But usually the wooden stock is replaced with a nicely grained hard wood like Walnut or Hickory, or Maple, and finished with a high gloss finish.  And usually the old military sights are replaced with civilian sights, and often a scope is mounted.