Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?

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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2021, 11:49:53 AM »
Mr. BALL. Did you ever bring any guns into the School Book Depository Building?
Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did.
Mr. BALL. When?
Mr. CASTER. I believe it was on Wednesday, November 20, during the noon hour.
Mr. BALL. Whose guns were they?
Mr. CASTER. They were my guns.
Mr. BALL. And what kind of guns were they?
Mr. CASTER. One gun was a Remington, single-shot, .22 rifle, and the other was a .30-06 sporterized Mauser.

Not knowing anything about firearms, I was wondering if "sporterized" meant there was a scope attached.

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2021, 03:52:09 PM »
Afraid you've misunderstood the question I'm asking, Mr Smith. Let me help you by repeating the title of the thread: "Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?"

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No, he didn't if you mean the same model of rifle that was used by Oswald to assassinate JFK.  "Mauser" is often used in a generic manner.   
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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2021, 03:54:06 PM »
I've always thought that Truly was hoping to get Lee Oswald to handle the rifle, so his finger prints would be on it.  Truly knew that Lee had been in the Marine Corp and probably appealed to Lee's expertise.    They weren't worried about Truly's "n-----s" seeing the rifle because as we know they claimed the rifle was some other rifle and not the carcano.

So Truly and Caster are involved in the plot? Did they actually get Oswald to put his prints on the rifle?

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2021, 04:29:32 PM »
So Truly and Caster are involved in the plot? Did they actually get Oswald to put his prints on the rifle?
They wanted to get Oswald's prints on a Mauser and then they planted a Carcano, a different type of rifle.

Why couldn't they get Truly's "n****s" to implicate Oswald? They could say - or be forced to say - they saw Oswald carrying a large package with him that day. Or say that he expressed hatred of JFK.

The conspiracy believers think the conspirators could do anything. But they couldn't get Oswald's co-workers to implicate him directly in the assassination. Or get Marina to say he hated JFK. Or get Ruth Paine to say she saw him with a package that morning. Or get Michael to say he saw the rifle. Or get DeMohrenschildt  to say.....on and and on.

We've raised these matters repeatedly with the conspiracy believers. And they can never answer them. A type of conspiracy cognitive dissonance ensues and they get frustrated. If they truly considered them, their beliefs would crumble completely. This is something they cannot allow.




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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2021, 05:01:40 PM »
They wanted to get Oswald's prints on a Mauser and then they planted a Carcano, a different type of rifle.

Why couldn't they get Truly's "n****s" to implicate Oswald? They could say - or be forced to say - they saw Oswald carrying a large package with him that day. Or say that he expressed hatred of JFK.

The conspiracy believers think the conspirators could do anything. But they couldn't get Oswald's co-workers to implicate him directly in the assassination. Or get Marina to say he hated JFK. Or get Ruth Paine to say she saw him with a package that morning. Or get Michael to say he saw the rifle. Or get DeMohrenschildt  to say.....on and and on.

We've raised these matters repeatedly with the conspiracy believers. And they can never answer them. A type of conspiracy cognitive dissonance ensues and they get frustrated. If they truly considered them, their beliefs would crumble completely. This is something they cannot allow.

Yes, it is amazing.  So many logical inconsistencies.  They must live in an interesting fantasy world.  They often dispute, for example, that Oswald's prints were on the rifle because the authorities had control of the evidence and could make up any findings they wanted. So why go through this bizarre charade with Caster's rifles to actually get Oswald's prints on the rifle?  Necessitating the recruitment of at least two random citizens into the plot who have to be kept quiet etc.  We are sometimes told Frazier is lying about the long bag to implicate Oswald, but then Frazier can't be convinced to confirm that it was long enough to carry the rifle.  The entire purpose of making up the long bag story.  We are told the conspirators assassinated JFK as a pretext for war with Cuba, but then all the blame is put on Oswald and the authorities decline to implicate Cuba.  Thus undermining the entire basis for the assassination under this theory.  And on and on.  But logic and narrative consistency are not a necessary pretext for a good conspiracy fantasy.

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2021, 05:27:34 PM »
No, he didn't if you mean the same model of rifle that was used by Oswald to assassinate JFK.

No, I didn't mean anything of the sort, lol.

In the light of

a) this document---------------



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b) the known fact that "a _____________ rifle" refers to a Mauser rifle,

and

c) the fact that Lt Day says he put the Carcano in a locked evidence box from ~2pm to ~7pm,

I asked:

'Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?'
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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2021, 05:29:06 PM »
They wanted to get Oswald's prints on a Mauser and then they planted a Carcano, a different type of rifle.

Why couldn't they get Truly's "n****s" to implicate Oswald? They could say - or be forced to say - they saw Oswald carrying a large package with him that day. Or say that he expressed hatred of JFK.

The conspiracy believers think the conspirators could do anything. But they couldn't get Oswald's co-workers to implicate him directly in the assassination. Or get Marina to say he hated JFK. Or get Ruth Paine to say she saw him with a package that morning. Or get Michael to say he saw the rifle. Or get DeMohrenschildt  to say.....on and and on.

We've raised these matters repeatedly with the conspiracy believers. And they can never answer them. A type of conspiracy cognitive dissonance ensues and they get frustrated. If they truly considered them, their beliefs would crumble completely. This is something they cannot allow.

King of the Strawman Argument strikes again!  :D

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2021, 10:10:05 PM »
No, I didn't mean anything of the sort, lol.

In the light of

a) this document---------------



----------------and

b) the known fact that "a _____________ rifle" refers to a Mauser rifle,

and

c) the fact that Lt Day says he put the Carcano in a locked evidence box from ~2pm to ~7pm,

I asked:

'Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?'

And! Lest there be any doubt that "the rifle" referred to in the document refers to a rifle found in the Depository, let us look at the paragraph before-------------



"THE GUN" = "THE RIFLE"

Mr Oswald is telling Captain Fritz he saw Mr Truly handling a Mauser rifle two days before the assassination, and is evidently relating this rifle to a rifle that has been found at the scene of the crime.

But how does Mr Oswald know to relate a Mauser rifle to a rifle found at the scene of the crime if he is not being shown a Mauser rifle and told it was found at the scene of the crime?

Now if only we had some evidence that a Mauser was found at the scene of the crime...................
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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2021, 01:28:44 AM »
Mr. BALL. Did you ever bring any guns into the School Book Depository Building?
Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did.
Mr. BALL. When?
Mr. CASTER. I believe it was on Wednesday, November 20, during the noon hour.
Mr. BALL. Whose guns were they?
Mr. CASTER. They were my guns.
Mr. BALL. And what kind of guns were they?
Mr. CASTER. One gun was a Remington, single-shot, .22 rifle, and the other was a .30-06 sporterized Mauser.

Not knowing anything about firearms, I was wondering if "sporterized" meant there was a scope attached.

This testimony means NOTHING.....If you can produce something that Caster said on Friday or Saturday Before they knew that they needed to obfuscate Lee Oswald's statement..... Then it might be believable.

According to the FBI memo...Lee said that he saw TWO rifles....NOT THREE.   And there were NOT more than two men present.

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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2021, 02:14:59 AM »

So...does "sporterized" mean it has a scope or not?

"According to the FBI memo...Lee said that he saw TWO rifles....NOT THREE.   And there were NOT more than two men present."

Who mentioned three rifles?
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