The Backyard Photo Paradox

[Walt Cakebread]

You mean the FBI realized that the photos they took from the Paine house on the Friday

I wasn't aware that the FBI (if that's what you mean by "they") took any evidence from Ruth Paine's house on 11/22/63.

Whatever the reasoning behind it, the fact is that DPD officers, with the assistance of local law enforcement officers, searched the house first on Friday, after Ruth Paine gave them permission, and then they decided to search again, but with a warrant, on Saturday.

so they whitewashed from the record that they had shown them to Michael Paine on the Friday [/b

It wasn't whitewashed from the record, at least not completely, because Michael Paine talked about having been shown one picture by an FBI agent on Friday evening in his testimony. In fact, the WC lawyer specifically asked him about it. Having said that, the official narrative is, however, that they were found during the second search, on Saturday afternoon. Yet another anomaly involving the evidence.

It was Mike Paine who showed a BY photo to the authorities.....Not the reverse.

[Martin Weidmann]

It was Mike Paine who showed a BY photo to the authorities.....Not the reverse.

How do you explain this, Walt?

Mr. LIEBELER - Did the FBI or any other investigatory agency of the Government ever show you a picture of the rifle that was supposed to have been used to assassinate the President?
Mr. PAINE - They asked me at first, the first night of the assassination if I could locate, identify the place where Lee was standing when he was holding this rifle and some, the picture on the cover of Life.
Mr. LIEBELER - Were you able to?
Mr. PAINE - I identified the place by the fine clapboard structure of the house.
Mr. LIEBELER - By the what?
Mr. PAINE - By the small clapboard structure, the house has an unusually small clapboard.
Mr. LIEBELER - What did you identify the place as being?
Mr. PAINE - The Neely Street address. He didn't drive a car, so to have them over for dinner I had to go over and pick them up.

[Gerry Down]

Are you aware that officially NONE of the photos had been found at the time Fritz showed Lee a BY photo at the noon interrogation on Saturday.    It was about three hours AFTER that interrogation session that the DPD detectives allegedly officially  discovered TWO BY photos in among Lee's possessions in the Paine's Garage.  Those photos are CE 133 A &  CE 133B.....So since they were found until AFTER that noon session..... They cannonot be the photo that Captain Fritz displayed to Lee Oswald.....Commonsense should prevail ...and you should know that Lee told Fritz the the phot had to have been what we know as 133C....  THAT"S the photo that Lee said was a fake......and we didn't know about that photo until Geneva White,( the widow of a Dallas cop) produced a copy of it several years after that Saturday interrogation session.   Clearly the DPD had was 133c , and Lee scoffed at it and told them it was a fake.  Lee KNEW it was a fake because he knew what the two photos that Marina had taken looked like. and so he could easily pronounce 133c as a fake.   ( He autographed a couple of copies of CE 133A  for his daughter June and George De,Morhenschildt ) When Lee immediately pronounced 133c to be  a fake it alarmed Fritz, who thought there must be something very obvious that Lee saw in the photo that indicated that it was a fake ....so he ordered that photo hidden and kept away from the public.

I wasn't aware. Is there a specific book where this is mentioned? Where are you getting this information?

[Walt Cakebread]

I wasn't aware. Is there a specific book where this is mentioned? Where are you getting this information?

Do you have the Warren Report?  Captain Will Fritz's memo starts on page 599.   It's Fritz himself who spills the beans....on page 607 Fritz writes about the interrogation session that started at 12:35 pm on Saturday 11 / 23 / 63, and he writes about asking Lee about a back Yard Photo that the DPD has.     BIG Problem.....Officially the authorities did not know about any BY photo until three hours AFTER this interrogation session.

[Gerry Down]

Do you have the Warren Report?  Captain Will Fritz's memo starts on page 599.   It's Fritz himself who spills the beans....on page 607 Fritz writes about the interrogation session that started at 12:35 pm on Saturday 11 / 23 / 63, and he writes about asking Lee about a back Yard Photo that the DPD has.     BIG Problem.....Officially the authorities did not know about any BY photo until three hours AFTER this interrogation session.

Ok. I'm assuming so this was covered up to hide the fact they had first taken the photo without an official search warrant.

[Walt Cakebread]

Ok. I'm assuming so this was covered up to hide the fact they had first taken the photo without an official search warrant.

No you're assumption is not correct.....

Will Fritz and many of the senior officers at DPD were conspirators.    Fritz knew about the BY photo before the murder of JFK.  He knew it would be a key piece of evidence in the framing of the patsy after the murder.  He may not have known that it was a fake photo, until Lee Oswald told him that he knew a bit about photography and the photo that Fritz was showing him was a fake.

This does NOT mean that CE 133A  and CE 133B are fakes.....  And I doubt that Lee was ever shown CE 133A and 133B at the DPD.   He only saw 133c ( the Geneva White photo) when Fritz displayed it to him.

[Walt Cakebread]

No you're assumption is not correct.....

Will Fritz and many of the senior officers at DPD were conspirators.    Fritz knew about the BY photo before the murder of JFK.  He knew it would be a key piece of evidence in the framing of the patsy after the murder.  He may not have known that it was a fake photo, until Lee Oswald told him that he knew a bit about photography and the photo that Fritz was showing him was a fake.

This does NOT mean that CE 133A  and CE 133B are fakes.....  And I doubt that Lee was ever shown CE 133A and 133B at the DPD.   He only saw 133c ( the Geneva White photo) when Fritz displayed it to him.

The police displayed a BY photo to Mary Bledsoe on Saturday 11-23-63.....

Mr. BALL - But, you looked at the pictures of Oswald?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Showed you the pictures of Oswald?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - The man down at the police station, he had a picture of him with a gun,

[Walt Cakebread]

How do you explain this, Walt?

Mr. LIEBELER - Did the FBI or any other investigatory agency of the Government ever show you a picture of the rifle that was supposed to have been used to assassinate the President?
Mr. PAINE - They asked me at first, the first night of the assassination if I could locate, identify the place where Lee was standing when he was holding this rifle and some, the picture on the cover of Life.
Mr. LIEBELER - Were you able to?
Mr. PAINE - I identified the place by the fine clapboard structure of the house.
Mr. LIEBELER - By the what?
Mr. PAINE - By the small clapboard structure, the house has an unusually small clapboard.
Mr. LIEBELER - What did you identify the place as being?
Mr. PAINE - The Neely Street address. He didn't drive a car, so to have them over for dinner I had to go over and pick them up.

I see no problem.....When a person displays a photo as evidence , it's good police work to ask the person who is presenting the photo, what they know about the photo.....

Mike Paine presented the photo ( which i believe was the photo that Lee denounced as a fake,  photo 133c) and the cops asked him where he had got the photo and what he knew about it.

They asked the same questions that Liebeler asked.

Mr. PAINE - They asked me at first, the first night of the assassination if I could locate, identify the place where Lee was standing when he was holding this rifle and some, the picture on the cover of Life.
Mr. LIEBELER - Were you able to?
Mr. PAINE - I identified the place by the fine clapboard structure of the house.
Mr. LIEBELER - By the what?
Mr. PAINE - By the small clapboard structure, the house has an unusually small clapboard.
Mr. LIEBELER - What did you identify the place as being?
Mr. PAINE - The Neely Street address.