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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2021, 04:14:16 PM »
Gee, that's a tough one!

So you admit that you don't know WHERE Howlett got the curtain rods......

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2021, 04:37:35 PM »
So you admit that you don't know WHERE Howlett got the curtain rods......

~Sigh~

Texas School Book Depository building

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Online Joe Elliott

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2021, 08:01:27 PM »

Here is an interesting incident told by Mr Buell Wesley Frazier to the authors of the new book The Lone Star Speaks:

If Oswald had really been carrying curtain rods that day, they should have been found somewhere in the Depository. Supposedly, they were never found. However, a few years after the assassination, Frazier received an intriguing phone call. Once the caller established that she was speaking to the man who had driven Oswald to work on November 22, 1963, she quietly confided to Frazier that some curtain rods had indeed been found in the Depository after the assassination.
She then hung up without revealing her identity. Apparently, this woman wanted Frazier to know that someone knew his story was true. If this woman knew the truth, other people did, too.


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So, a phone call made by an anonymous woman to Mr. Frazier is real evidence that current rods were found at the Depository?

If you live in a culture that assumes every claim made, even by an anonymous source, is true then you live in a culture where some “facts” are manufactured. It is inevitable.

Mellissa Carone manufactured false claims and presented them to the Michigan Legislature. Carone presented manufactured false facts, but at least she was not an anonymous source.

The culture you belong to doesn’t even measure up to the standards of the Trump culture.

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2021, 10:05:18 PM »
So, a phone call made by an anonymous woman to Mr. Frazier is real evidence that current rods were found at the Depository?

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No, Mr Bono--------------look at the document I posted, that's the evidence. Can you explain it away?

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If you live in a culture that assumes every claim made, even by an anonymous source, is true then you live in a culture where some “facts” are manufactured. It is inevitable.

Mellissa Carone manufactured false claims and presented them to the Michigan Legislature. Carone presented manufactured false facts, but at least she was not an anonymous source.

The culture you belong to doesn’t even measure up to the standards of the Trump culture.

Off-topic drivel

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2021, 10:05:18 PM »

Online Joe Elliott

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2021, 01:18:25 AM »
The evidence indicates curtain rods being removed from Mrs. Paine’s garage, not the Depository building.

It looks like a request to pick up evidence was made on 03-15-64, the evidence was picked up on 03-23-64 and this paperwork was completed the next day on 03-24-64.

So, what is the big deal?

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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2021, 01:18:25 AM »

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2021, 01:23:21 AM »
The evidence indicates curtain rods being removed from Mrs. Paine’s garage, not the Depository building.

It looks like a request to pick up evidence was made on 03-15-64, the evidence was picked up on 03-23-64 and this paperwork was completed the next day on 03-24-64.

So, what is the big deal?

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The big deal, Mr Bono, is that you can't read. These curtain rods were submitted by Agent Howlett on 3/15/64, eight days before Agent Howlett took two curtain rods from the Paine residence.



Wanna have another go?

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« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2021, 01:23:21 AM »

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2021, 04:34:44 AM »
What Dallas Police officer says “Date Submitted”, March 15, on this form means when the object was picked up?
Could it mean something else, like when a request to pick up the object is made?

Where does it say the curtain rods were picked up on March 23?
Specimen released “3-24-64” seems reasonable, the curtain rods were released after they were picked up?

And if it does mean what you say, object picked up on March 15, 1964, but it really wasn’t, it’s not like I never heard of anyone filling in the wrong information on a report.
And what would be the purpose of filling in the wrong date when the object was picked up?

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2021, 11:23:29 AM »
What Dallas Police officer says “Date Submitted”, March 15, on this form means when the object was picked up?[
Could it mean something else, like when a request to pick up the object is made?

No, Mr Bono-----unless, that is, one is happy for one's research to be part of the culture in which facts themselves are manipulated, and even manufactured.

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Where does it say the curtain rods were picked up on March 23?

Read Ms Ruth Paine's WC testimony at her home!

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Specimen released “3-24-64” seems reasonable, the curtain rods were released after they were picked up?

Not if they were submitted before being picked up.

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And if it does mean what you say,

No, it means what it says: "submitted"----------your creative semantics here are a lost cause

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object picked up on March 15, 1964, but it really wasn’t, it’s not like I never heard of anyone filling in the wrong information on a report.

If "Lt. Day must have confused 23 March with 15 March" is the best you can do, then you're obviously comfortable with a culture in which facts themselves are manipulated, and even manufactured.

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And what would be the purpose of filling in the wrong date when the object was picked up?

Who said it was the wrong date? These two curtain rods were submitted for fingerprint examination on 15 March---------------8 days before Ms Paine's testimony at her home.

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Online Joe Elliott

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2021, 07:20:05 PM »

Read Ms Ruth Paine's WC testimony at her home!

Ms. Paine’s testimony goes on for pages and pages spread over many volumes. I always provide links to my claims.

Which Volume number did she talk about the curtain rods being picked up? Which page number?

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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2021, 08:00:41 PM »
What Dallas Police officer says “Date Submitted”, March 15, on this form means when the object was picked up?
Could it mean something else, like when a request to pick up the object is made?

Where does it say the curtain rods were picked up on March 23?
Specimen released “3-24-64” seems reasonable, the curtain rods were released after they were picked up?

And if it does mean what you say, object picked up on March 15, 1964, but it really wasn’t, it’s not like I never heard of anyone filling in the wrong information on a report.
And what would be the purpose of filling in the wrong date when the object was picked up?

What Dallas Police officer says “Date Submitted”, March 15, on this form means when the object was picked up?
Could it mean something else, like when a request to pick up the object is made?


No, I don't think it could mean that. The document shown was used to submit evidence to the Identification Bureau of the DPD. So, in this case it means that Officer Howell submitted 2 curtain rods, to the Identification Bureau on 3/15/64 at 9:45 AM.

The document also says that Howell picked up the curtain rods on 3/24/64 from the Identifaction Bureau, where they were released to him by Lt Day.

Which leaves two questions to be answered;

1. When were the curtain rods picked up at Ruth Paine's house? I couldn't find the answer in Ruth Paine's testimony, but maybe I overlooked it

2. Why would Howell need to collect the curtain rods on 3/24/64?
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