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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #872 on: March 19, 2021, 02:12:19 PM »
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Come on Alan.

Oswald denied taking the rods.
You think it was high on the investigator's priority list to show Oswald lied to Frazier?
You think they didn't have enough on Oswald already?
It's safe to say it didn't cross anybody's mind that ​the curtain rod story was true.
You think the investigator's wasted one second trying to prove an alibi for Oswald that he denied himself?
All energy was focussed on building a case against Oswald.

All energy was focussed on building a case against Oswald.

Indeed. And in the process anything exculpatory was ignored or dismissed.

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #872 on: March 19, 2021, 02:12:19 PM »


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #873 on: March 19, 2021, 02:54:58 PM »
What have I been smoking?

Look at your little scenario again Alan.
You've got Day testing the rods for fingerprints the Day after he released them to Howlett.
Howlett has taken the rods away and then Day tests them.

Snap out of it man.

Your notion that an elaborate hoax involving the Secret Service, the senior counsel of the WC and Mrs Paine took place to show why the rods were marked 275 and 276  is "on the edge", to say the least.
You still haven't explained why they felt the need to justify doing this just because, as you would have it, some random person wrote
some random numbers on the curtain rods (this, of course, is not the case, the curtain rods were marked for identification at Ruth Paine's house)
Why did they have to have the Ruth Paine Exhibit numbers for the rods the same as the numbers scrawled on the "TSBD rods" (lol)?

Lol, already explained, Mr O'Meara. The fact that you ignore my explanation merely tells us you can't come up with a rebuttal

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The rods are collected on the 23rd from Ruth Paine's house and marked 275 and 276
The fingerprint card shows they were tested on the 25th (you don't find it strange at all that in your scenario Day waits for 10 days before testing the rods. Are you saying that one minute the rods are important the next minute their not.?
The bottom copy of the document, the part in the official record, records a release date of 26th.

Ignore submission date:

Rods taken into evidence - 23rd
Tested for prints - 25th
Released- 26th

So, once again your mad solution to the problem posed by the submission date and the release date is:
---------------Ignore submission date
---------------Ignore release date

 :D

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #874 on: March 19, 2021, 02:57:04 PM »
Come on Alan.

Oswald denied taking the rods.

We don't know that for sure. Remember-------we're dealing with the same professional liars here who buried Mr Oswald's claim to have gone "outside to watch P. Parade". You know, the guys whose devoted fanboy you are

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You think it was high on the investigator's priority list to show Oswald lied to Frazier?
You think they didn't have enough on Oswald already?
It's safe to say it didn't cross anybody's mind that ​the curtain rod story was true.
You think the investigator's wasted one second trying to prove an alibi for Oswald that he denied himself?

What a silly question!

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All energy was focussed on building a case against Oswald.

Exactly-----------and so too is all your energy
« Last Edit: March 19, 2021, 06:37:17 PM by Alan Ford »

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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #875 on: March 19, 2021, 06:49:39 PM »
All energy was focussed on building a case against Oswald.

Indeed. And in the process anything exculpatory was ignored or dismissed.

Agreed

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #876 on: March 19, 2021, 06:55:59 PM »
Lol, already explained, Mr O'Meara. The fact that you ignore my explanation merely tells us you can't come up with a rebuttal

It's not true Alan.
You have not explained why the elaborate hoax has to focus on the numbers scribbled on the TSBD rods.
The whole point of this pantomime, involving the Secret Service, the hierarchy of the Warren Commission, the Dallas Police Department and Ruth Paine, is to number the rods found at Ruth Paine's house 275 and 276.
Why is it necessary to do this?

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #877 on: March 19, 2021, 10:17:07 PM »
It's not true Alan.
You have not explained why the elaborate hoax has to focus on the numbers scribbled on the TSBD rods.
The whole point of this pantomime, involving the Secret Service, the hierarchy of the Warren Commission, the Dallas Police Department and Ruth Paine, is to number the rods found at Ruth Paine's house 275 and 276.
Why is it necessary to do this?

Stop playing games, Mr O'Meara. Reply #856

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #878 on: March 19, 2021, 10:49:36 PM »
Stop playing games, Mr O'Meara. Reply #856

I didn't realise you were being serious.

This elaborate hoax, involving the Secret Service, the senior counsel of the Warren Commission, the Dallas Police department and Ruth Paine, is committed because your imaginary TSBD employee saw these numbers written on the curtain rods.  ::)

In order to explain how these numbers got there, this hoax (which only exists in your mind, it never actually took place) is committed in order to demonstrate these numbers are actually "Ruth Paine Exhibit numbers 275 and 276.

But the curtain rods were found by your imaginary TSBD employee before the hoax took place!
Think about that Alan.

The idea that the Secret Service felt the need it had to produce paperwork to satisfy this a civilian is ridiculous enough. But to suggest all these different agencies feel the need to put on this hoax to please this figment of your imagination is bordering on insanity.

If the imaginary employee already saw the numbers on the imaginary rods, how does this hoax clear that situation up?
 (I feel embarrassed being dragged into this nonsense)

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #879 on: March 19, 2021, 11:49:48 PM »
I didn't realise you were being serious.

This elaborate hoax, involving the Secret Service, the senior counsel of the Warren Commission, the Dallas Police department and Ruth Paine, is committed because your imaginary TSBD employee saw these numbers written on the curtain rods.  ::)

In order to explain how these numbers got there, this hoax (which only exists in your mind, it never actually took place) is committed in order to demonstrate these numbers are actually "Ruth Paine Exhibit numbers 275 and 276.

Still waiting for your explanation of why the Ruth Paine Exhibit counting started at #270. It promises to be as funny as your truly hopeless explanation of the dates on the form ('Ignore them both!')  :D

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But the curtain rods were found by your imaginary TSBD employee before the hoax took place!
Think about that Alan.

The idea that the Secret Service felt the need it had to produce paperwork to satisfy this a civilian is ridiculous enough.

Why is it ridiculous? If the witness has been pressing the matter, it's exactly the smart move.

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But to suggest all these different agencies feel the need to put on this hoax to please this figment of your imagination is bordering on insanity.

If the imaginary employee already saw the numbers on the imaginary rods, how does this hoax clear that situation up?
 (I feel embarrassed being dragged into this nonsense)

Insurance against the witness' going public at some point in the future with talk of having found two curtain rods at the Depository marked 275 & 276. The fact that two curtain rods officially 'marked' Ruth Paine Exhibits 275 and 276 will feature in the publicly available Warren Volumes will make the witness sound like a plagiarizing fraud.