Then went inside with the curtain rods

[Colin Crow]

In Frazier's first statement he mentions that Oswald told him about the curtain rods.
How did Frazier know there were curtain rods available in the Paine household?
I have to assume it's because Oswald told him about them. Otherwise it's a wildly lucky guess.

What makes you think Oswald was aware of them prior to the 11th of November? Frazier did claim to have wrapped curtain rods in a previous job. If there were no rods in the Paine garage would that have changed events? Was Oswald fearful of Frazier's knowledge of the garage contents?

[Alan Ford]

"proof that two curtain rods were submitted for testing FOR MR OSWALD'S PRINTS eight days BEFORE two curtain rods were extracted on-the-record from Ms Paine's garage"

Proof?

Well, duh

So, by your own logic the document "proves" the rods were released on the 24th and the 26th!

No, Mr O'Meara, do try to keep up. I believe that two rods (those found in the Depository) were released on the 24th and thrown away, and two different rods (those taken from the Paine garage 3/23) were released on the 26th. Only the "3/26/64" version of the form was made public (via the Warren volumes). This was the switcheroo, via the numbers 275 & 276.

What's your explanation? Oh, I forgot, you don't have one---------it's why you're getting so hot and bothered as you scramble to find ways to spin this in a Warren Report-friendly way

[Dan O'meara]

No, Mr O'Meara, do try to keep up. I believe that two rods (those found in the Depository) were released on the 24th and thrown away, and two different rods (those taken from the Paine garage 3/23) were released on the 26th. Only the "3/26/64" version of the form was made public (via the Warren volumes). This was the switcheroo, via the numbers 275 & 276.

"... do try to keep up."

It's impossible to keep up with you Alan as you flit between reality and fantasy constantly. You have the very unfair advantage of not being tied to logic or common sense. But I'll try my best.

So, let me see if I understand what you believe:

Two rods were found in the TSBD and submitted to Day on 3/15/64
Two rods were taken from the Paine residence on 3/23/64
These two rods were submitted to Day on 3/23/64 but this submission is not documented.
The first two rods (TSBD) were released on 3/24/64 and then "thrown away" (??)
The second two rods were then released on 3/26/64

How am I doing so far?

[Dan O'meara]

What makes you think Oswald was aware of them prior to the 11th of November? Frazier did claim to have wrapped curtain rods in a previous job. If there were no rods in the Paine garage would that have changed events? Was Oswald fearful of Frazier's knowledge of the garage contents?

"What makes you think Oswald was aware of them prior to the 11th of November?"

Not sure I follow. The 11th?

There is nothing that documents Oswald's "awareness" of the rods.
Oswald himself denies bringing the rods to work.
It's only Frazier's word that the long package contained curtain rods and this is only because he states that Oswald told him about them.
Frazier never sees what's inside the package.
Either Oswald told him there were curtain rods in the long package or he didn't.


"If there were no rods in the Paine garage would that have changed events?"

It wouldn't have changed anything that happened that day.
Oswald might've come up with a different excuse for why he was carrying a long package with him to work that morning.
If Oswald carried the rifle with him to work that day he would need to have some kind of excuse ready as Frazier would surely ask about it. It could have been anything that was long and thin. Oswald had a lot of his belongings in the garage, including his rifle, and had spent time in there which would have given him the opportunity to come across the curtain rods that had been on the shelf since long before he and Marina arrived at the Paine house.
When coming up with his excuse for Frazier he may have picked the curtain rods simply because they were long and thin and in the garage.

"Was Oswald fearful of Frazier's knowledge of the garage contents?"

Really not sure what you mean by this. How would Frazier have any knowledge of the garage contents?

[Colin Crow]

"What makes you think Oswald was aware of them prior to the 11th of November?"

Not sure I follow. The 11th?

When was Oswald at the Paine's previously? Ie. His last opportunity to notice the wrapped curtain rods?

My point is in all this is Frazier is the key witness linking Oswald to a package that day. Cops were linking CE 142 to carrying the rifle before 3pm. Is it possible that that information transferred to Frazier's mother or LMR that afternoon?

[Dan O'meara]

When was Oswald at the Paine's previously? Ie. His last opportunity to notice the wrapped curtain rods?

My point is in all this is Frazier is the key witness linking Oswald to a package that day. Cops were linking CE 142 to carrying the rifle before 3pm. Is it possible that that information transferred to Frazier's mother or LMR that afternoon?

As I understand it Oswald left the Paine house on the morning of the 12th Nov. and didn't return until the evening of the 22nd.
So the last real opportunity for Oswald to have seen the rods would've been, as you say, the 11th Nov.

Without BWF and LMR there is no long package/curtain rod story.
As I understand it, the police were linking Oswald to the rifle and the rifle to the long bag before BWF and LMR say anything about it.
The first recorded mention of the long bag is when LMR goes up to Adamcik and tells him about it (I'm assuming that she also tells him about Frazier visiting his step-dad in the hospital at this time.)

Detective Montgomery is photographed leaving the TSBD with the bag around 3:00pm. I don't know if he was also filmed or if these images were broadcast.

Frazier insists he was in the hospital only a short time before being arrested which indicates he could have been at home as late as 4:45pm.

[Alan Ford]

So, let me see if I understand what you believe:

Two rods were found in the TSBD and submitted to Day on 3/15/64

 

Two rods were taken from the Paine residence on 3/23/64

 

These two rods were submitted to Day on 3/23/64 but this submission is not documented.

Not necessarily on 3/23/64

The first two rods (TSBD) were released on 3/24/64 and then "thrown away" (??)

= shorthand for 'Agent Howlett made sure they were never seen again'

The second two rods were then released on 3/26/64

 

How am I doing so far?

Surprisingly well, Mr O'Meara!