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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #707 on: March 13, 2021, 09:16:43 AM »
This is really, really simple.  There's no need for any long winded contrarian mumbo jumbo.  Who said Frazier had "instant" knowledge of Oswald's guilt.  Try to focus. There is no doubt that by the time Frazier was questioned by the DPD approximately nine hours after the assassination that he knew Oswald was a suspect.  Obviously, he also knew that he had driven Oswald to work that morning and that Oswald carried a long narrow bag that could have contained a rifle.  Therefore, he had grounds to be concerned about whether he would be implicated and his answers to any questions would reflect that concern.

 :D :D :D

Nice disinformation.

Frazier was not questioned "nine hours" after the assassination happened.

Frazier left work after it was shutdown for the day and headed directly to the hospital to visit his step father.

On the way to the hospital he learned that Oswald was a suspect in the assassination.

Frazier was at the hospital no more than 20 minutes before the detectives took him to the station for questioning and that was in the afternoon. He was being interrogated all evening long.

According to your bogus claim, Frazier wouldn't have been interrogated until 10:30 PM and that is blatantly false. He was let go at midnight.           

Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #708 on: March 13, 2021, 09:25:13 AM »
Frazier had ample opportunity to get his story straight with his sister.

Wrong. Frazier did not have "ample time to get his story straight with his sister". Right after he was let out of work Frazier headed directly to the hospital and phoned his sister. Not long after that the detectives arrived to take him in. That is not "ample time".         

In one interview, he indicated that he called her from the hospital. In addition, she was at the police station with him for hours and Fritz apparently questioned them together around 9PM. The larger point, however, which you had disputed is that Frazier obviously knew Oswald was a suspect in the JFK assassination prior to being questioned by Fritz.  All of his answers would have been given with the knowledge that he had driven the suspected assassin to the TSBD that morning.

A lot of spin here with no facts. This is Richard creating his own events of what he wants you to believe happened. 

Frazier was not "arrested" until after 6PM.  Four hours after Oswald is taken into custody.  Frazier is not interrogated until after 9PM.


Wrong again. Frazier was taken to the station in the afternoon when he was at the hospital for a short amount of time. Frazier was already being interrogated for hours before 9 PM.         

The DPD wanted to talk with him that night for that reason.  He knew that.  He knew when he answered those questions that he was in potential trouble.  Frazier is the Ned Spangler of the JFK assassination.  He had good cause to be concerned that the police or public would attempt to hold him accountable based on what he had knew prior to the assassination.  So his answers are potentially skewed with an obvious desire to distance himself from any reason to be suspicious of Oswald's behavior. As a result, he wasn't paying much attention that morning, no talk, just driving in silence.

More spin of what Richard wants you to believe.

Frazier was interrogated by different sets of detectives and was thoroughly grilled. They all knew Frazier knew nothing and they let him go. Otherwise they would have booked him as a suspect and co-conspirator.   
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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #709 on: March 13, 2021, 09:46:34 AM »
:D :D :D

Nice disinformation.

Frazier was not questioned "nine hours" after the assassination happened.

Frazier left work after it was shutdown for the day and headed directly to the hospital to visit his step father.

On the way to the hospital he learned that Oswald was a suspect in the assassination.

Frazier was at the hospital no more than 20 minutes before the detectives took him to the station for questioning and that was in the afternoon. He was being interrogated all evening long.

According to your bogus claim, Frazier wouldn't have been interrogated until 10:30 PM and that is blatantly false. He was let go at midnight.         

Please read my posts Rick. Frazier did not go immediately to the hospital. That story is bogus.

Mr. BALL. You brought Ruth Paine and Marina down to the police department, did you?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; we took Ruth Paine and Marina and Marina's two children in our car and also the blanket--I carried it.
Mr. BALL. And the rest of that day you spent in inquiring for and looking around for Wesley Frazier?
Mr. ROSE. Well, we came on back to the city hall and we took Ruth Paine and Michael Paine and Marina Oswald to the homicide office, but it was so crowded that we transferred them to the forgery bureau office next door, and then someone came over and I believe it was the Detective Senkel, to take affidavits from them and I immediately started trying to locate Wesley Frazier. We were told that he would be at Parkland Hospital, but we checked through Parkland and there was no Fraziers there and I started a heck of the clinics and the doctors' offices in Irving, and I located through one of the nurses, I believe, or talked to someone on the phone there that Mr. Frazier was in the hospital there at Irving Clinic, so I called Detective McCabe in Irving and that Wesley was the one that had brought Lee Oswald to work that morning.

Why didn’t Rose simply call LMR to determine the hospital once Parland wasn’t the one?
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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #710 on: March 13, 2021, 10:38:10 AM »
Considering that Rose and Stovall reported that it was McCabe who arrested Frazier at the hospital and they picked him up at the Irving PD does this compensate some of the time loss? Why would Frazier completely remove McCabe from his recounting of the events, even in his HSCA interview?

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #711 on: March 13, 2021, 11:37:03 AM »
Considering that Rose and Stovall reported that it was McCabe who arrested Frazier at the hospital and they picked him up at the Irving PD does this compensate some of the time loss? Why would Frazier completely remove McCabe from his recounting of the events, even in his HSCA interview?

Mr Crow, what (if anything) do you believe Mr Oswald actually brought with him to work that morning?

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #712 on: March 13, 2021, 11:52:21 AM »
Mr Crow, what (if anything) do you believe Mr Oswald actually brought with him to work that morning?

I don’t know Alan. I doubt that he bought anything in CE142. I was just going through my stuff on Linnie May and it seems her first mention of curtain rods was the day after the assassination. Given her curiosity about Oswald's unusual Thursday visit and her knowledge of the curtain rods on that day, seems strange they weren’t mentioned by her until Saturday.

I need to go back over Frazier's statements and those who interviewed him to find the first reference to curtain rods.

Just checked and curtain rods appears in his statement dated 22November. So the curtain rod story genesis had occurred by the late evening that day.

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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #713 on: March 13, 2021, 12:33:28 PM »
I don’t know Alan. I doubt that he bought anything in CE142. I was just going through my stuff on Linnie May and it seems her first mention of curtain rods was the day after the assassination. Given her curiosity about Oswald's unusual Thursday visit and her knowledge of the curtain rods on that day, seems strange they weren’t mentioned by her until Saturday.

I need to go back over Frazier's statements and those who interviewed him to find the first reference to curtain rods.

Just checked and curtain rods appears in his statement dated 22November. So the curtain rod story genesis had occurred by the late evening that day.

Just checked and curtain rods appears in his statement dated 22November. So the curtain rod story genesis had occurred by the late evening that day.

Or, alternatively, Frazier and Randle were simply telling the truth about the curtain rods, in which case no story needed to be created.