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Offline Robin Unger

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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2021, 03:11:29 PM »
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    President Kennedy's Autopsy was carried out at Bethesda Naval Hospital on November 22-23, 1963. The official autopsy photographs have never been published and are under seal at the National Archives.

    On November 23, 1963, James K. Fox, photographer with the Intelligence Division of the US Secret Service, was given the autopsy film holders by JFK's personal physician, Admiral George Burkley, and told to develop them. On three occassions, he supervised their processing. According to Fox, Secret Service Agent Roy Kellerman said to make himself copies as they would be history someday. He made three sets of black and white autopsy photo prints at the Secret Service lab. On November 27, 1963, additional official copies were made at the National Photographic Interpretation Center (NPIC).

    In 1981, those pictures were sold to JFK researcher Mark Crouch. During this time copies of the photos were given to several JFK researchers. Fox died in 1987. Writer David Lifton published the Fox set in "Best Evidence" (1988 Carrol & Graf Reprint). Later the photos were published in other books. Crouch retired from research in 1993 and sold his JFK assassination collection, including negatives made from the photos, to researcher Walt Brown who continues to make them available to researchers.

    In 1992, the official autopsy photos were specifically exempted from the JFK Records Act and will not be released. ARRB Senior Staffer Doug Horne stated that after viewing digital copies of the original photos, he noted the Fox unofficial photos are cropped differently and are degraded as compared to the originals in the National Archives but are basically the same. Some photos taken at the autopsy missing and are not now a part of the official collection. Horne's further, specific comments on the photos are available here. (1998 JFK Lancer Conference)

    The color photos were obtained by JFK researcher and amateur photographer Robert Groden who served as an upaid consultant to the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Groden photographed the color autopsy photos without permission. Groden was paid by "The Globe" tabloid at their 1991 printing of those photos and has also published them in his books.

    The photos on our website are the "Lifton" copies named as he included them in his book, "Best Evidence". The X-rays are exhibits from the HSCA hearings and were obtained by JFK Lancer from the National Archives.

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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2021, 04:58:07 PM »
How could a bullet exiting the back/rear of JFK's head cause a bone/skin flap to emerge on the side of the head? What would cause this flap to blow out or expand from the side? There is no blowout on the side if the blowout is in the back.

And with no side blowout then no skin and bone could blowout as well. I don't see how but I am totally ignorant about forensics science and how the skull/brain reacts to a gunshot.
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2021, 05:39:17 PM »
How could a bullet exiting the back/rear of JFK's head cause a bone/skin flap to emerge on the side of the head? What would cause this flap to blow out or expand from the side? There is no blowout on the side if the blowout is in the back.

And with no side blowout then no skin and bone could blowout as well. I don't see how but I am totally ignorant about forensics science and how the skull/brain reacts to a gunshot.

What I find confusing is that so many witnesses appear to describe JFK's head wound as a blowout at the back of his head when the reality is far more catastrophic.
It appears that almost all of the top part of the right side of his skull has been blown off.

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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2021, 06:05:15 PM »
What I find confusing is that so many witnesses appear to describe JFK's head wound as a blowout at the back of his head when the reality is far more catastrophic.
It appears that almost all of the top part of the right side of his skull has been blown off.

Yes i agree  :)

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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2021, 06:47:27 PM »
What I find confusing is that so many witnesses appear to describe JFK's head wound as a blowout at the back of his head when the reality is far more catastrophic.
It appears that almost all of the top part of the right side of his skull has been blown off.
Yes. And the back of the head looks intact. So we have two observations that support one another.

We all recognize that eyewitnesses can be wrong but this shockingly wrong? Including the Parkland doctors? Several of the ER doctors said they saw no skin/bone flap; and others never mentioned seeing it in their accounts. How did they miss it?

The Moorman photo and the Nix film both support, in my considered opinion, what we see in the Zapruder film. And the autopsy photos and x-rays support that.

So we can consider the eyewitness accounts in a rushed/excited environment or the physical evidence and the deliberate autopsy examination. I choose the latter.

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Online Dan O'meara

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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2021, 07:59:39 PM »
Yes. And the back of the head looks intact. So we have two observations that support one another.

We all recognize that eyewitnesses can be wrong but this shockingly wrong? Including the Parkland doctors? Several of the ER doctors said they saw no skin/bone flap; and others never mentioned seeing it in their accounts. How did they miss it?

The Moorman photo and the Nix film both support, in my considered opinion, what we see in the Zapruder film. And the autopsy photos and x-rays support that.

So we can consider the eyewitness accounts in a rushed/excited environment or the physical evidence and the deliberate autopsy examination. I choose the latter.

It's hard to disagree Steve but I find it difficult to accept so many witnesses could be so specifically mistaken.
His head was such a mess but hardly any describe the top right side of his skull missing which it so clearly was.

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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2021, 08:13:57 PM »
What I find confusing is that so many witnesses appear to describe JFK's head wound as a blowout at the back of his head when the reality is far more catastrophic.
It appears that almost all of the top part of the right side of his skull has been blown off.

Hi Dan, If we could know the truth, I believe that what we see is the result of a very special projectile.  The CIA had invented deadly projectiles that literally "exploded" on impact. The projectiles had been invented to be used against the leaders of "enemy nations" ( Cuba) .....

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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2021, 08:35:18 PM »
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Thanks for posting all your pictures and great information!   I am a researcher too - just trying to dig out the truth and make sense of it.   If I see evidence contrary to my theory, I have no problem changing my theory!  I will admit sometimes my imaginations gets fairly vivid with possible scenarios!   

It looks like the bottom image is a blow up of Zapruder Z316?   Z315 also shows start of deformation process above the top of head and  Z316 is a completion of it or extended outward!   It appears to me that seeing more in Z316 than Z315 suggests an outward push coming from lower front and the possibility of a 2nd shot from front.    With your better pictures, I can also now understand the vertical line on Z337 in front of his ear with all skin hanging including bone material still attached to it.

The whole front you see in all the images must include a good portion of  face skin ripped off and hanging down?   Maybe the first bullet sheared the scalp? When the head moves back and to the left with the 2nd shot, the entire hanging portion of skin/bone flips back so as to make the skin come back into position.  In Z321/Z322 the head appears "shorter" in Zapruder frames.  But what kind of shot can rip/tear skin off like that other than a glancing blow?  Then, when the brakes are applied and the head rotates forward, the skin flap flies into a new position and pieces drop out at Z334/Z335 into his lap.  That damage could also be from a Z315 penetration!
 
The more I look at it, the more I think there were multiple shots - almost simultaneously.  That however is like having nuclear clock timing!  If he gets hit initially at Z313 and then another comes in from say the gutter drain (down and front)......(Z315/Z316), that is only 1/8 of a second later and would be freaky perfect timing on a moving object!   It passes almost through the existing open wound/fractured skull and comes out more to the top LHS of his head!   It is the only theory I can come up with so far.  A Z315/16or17  shot also matches what you see on the Moorman polaroid. 

On an aside note,  I had watched a documentary a few years ago claiming a gutter drain shot.  The passage way is big enough for someone to stand in they claimed!  That does make sense as drainage gets bigger as you get closer to its drain port by a river.   That could match a second shot position!  (Z315 and Z316 in progression).   

The purple rectangular image you see in your post #15 would be the second shot entering an already fractured skull and exiting out in the green portion.  To me, both anomalies in the cracks are a bit unusual artifacts.   If that image is real,  that is a very plausible explanation IMO.   That entrance anomaly (purple rectangle) does look like a second shot!  I have seen skull shots on game animals with "normal bullets" and you only see the penetration hole, no skull cracking in direct hits.   Bullets generally lodge in the animal's head and doesn't have enough power to go through  the thick skull and out the other side!   Here the skull opened up, which then allows another bullet enough momentum to pass through to the other side and out!  An hypothesis!  I found a big game animal skull like that with only a small entrance hole on the prairie this last fall (no cracks) - obviously a hunter left it or landowner put it down and left the animal there years ago.   In the case of JFK, I would expect the bullet should be laying there somewhere in the grass and could still be found (Z316).


       
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Offline Michael Walton

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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2021, 09:07:16 PM »
Here is a photo illustration showing two different photos aligned and combined. It will give you an idea of what that area of the head looked like with the skin down and then reflected. PS - if you're on a slow connection, it may take a while to load:




 

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