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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Who is sitting up in Zapruder @Z456?
« Reply #168 on: January 16, 2021, 07:25:49 PM »
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I think so too. So it's doubly true.

Josiah Thompson has a new book out - or soon to be released - that says the 2.5" movement is an illusion and didn't actually happen.

I wonder how he's going to pull that one off. The small head movement forward is in full view, and would have snapped back about the same distance if not aided by other physiological factors.
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Re: Who is sitting up in Zapruder @Z456?
« Reply #169 on: January 17, 2021, 05:41:44 PM »
I wonder how he's going to pull that one off. The small head movement forward is in full view, and would have snapped back about the same distance if not aided by other physiological factors.
From the Amazon site for his book: "The sudden two-inch forward movement of the presidentís head in the Zapruder film just before his head explodes is revealed to be an optical illusion caused by the movement of Zapruderís camera. This leaves without further challenge clear evidence that this shot came from a specific location to the right front of the limousine."

I don't know how one can claim that it "leaves without further challenge clear evidence that this shot came from a specific location to the right front of the limousine." Thompson argues a second shot then immediately followed this one; one from the right front, another from behind.

Book is here: https://www.amazon.com/Last-Second-Dallas-Josiah-Thompson/dp/0700630082/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=josiah+thompson&qid=1610900991&s=books&sr=1-1
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Re: Who is sitting up in Zapruder @Z456?
« Reply #170 on: January 17, 2021, 05:57:10 PM »
From the Amazon site for his book: "The sudden two-inch forward movement of the presidentís head in the Zapruder film just before his head explodes is revealed to be an optical illusion caused by the movement of Zapruderís camera. This leaves without further challenge clear evidence that this shot came from a specific location to the right front of the limousine."

I don't know how one can claim that it "leaves without further challenge clear evidence that this shot came from a specific location to the right front of the limousine." Thompson argues a second shot then immediately followed this one; one from the right front, another from behind.

Book is here: https://www.amazon.com/Last-Second-Dallas-Josiah-Thompson/dp/0700630082/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=josiah+thompson&qid=1610900991&s=books&sr=1-1

Just read the Amazon preview

Maybe Josiah missed this:

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Re: Who is sitting up in Zapruder @Z456?
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Re: Who is sitting up in Zapruder @Z456?
« Reply #171 on: January 17, 2021, 06:02:14 PM »
Just read the Amazon preview

Maybe Josiah missed this:

https://archive.org/details/JFKAssassinationForwardHeadMovement
If Zapruder's camera motion/movement caused the "apparent but not actual" movement of JFK's head then why didn't Jackie and JC also show this "optical illusion"? Shouldn't everything in the frame move, or appear to move, as well?

Thompson's a smart man so these questions are probably addressed.

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Re: Who is sitting up in Zapruder @Z456?
« Reply #172 on: January 17, 2021, 06:09:33 PM »
If Zapruder's camera motion/movement caused the "apparent but not actual" movement of JFK's head then why didn't Jackie and JC also show this "optical illusion"? Shouldn't everything in the frame move, or appear to move, as well?

Thompson's a smart man so these questions are probably addressed.

Smoke and mirrors: Nothing else moves in concert with the head so it better be one hell of an explanation.
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Re: Who is sitting up in Zapruder @Z456?
« Reply #173 on: January 17, 2021, 06:34:45 PM »
It's clear from this clip that the first movement of JFK's head is forward at the moment of impact:


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Re: Who is sitting up in Zapruder @Z456?
« Reply #174 on: January 17, 2021, 06:44:09 PM »
It's clear from this clip that the first movement of JFK's head is forward at the moment of impact:



Seems Josiah hasn't seen that video either.
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Re: Who is sitting up in Zapruder @Z456?
« Reply #174 on: January 17, 2021, 06:44:09 PM »