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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Moorman Photo taken at Zapruder Z319
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2021, 09:18:10 PM »
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On your sidebar comment while it appears reasonable on its face quite a few Parkland doctors and nurses will disagree as will Clint Hill who saw a gaping hjole in the back of JFK's head.
Yes. And the autopsy doctors and photos and x-rays will disagree with them.

The photo is physical evidence. We all agree - lone assassin or conspiracy believer - that eyewitness recollections can be completely unreliable. As some were in this event, right?

So what evidence does one favor? Physical evidence - photos, x-rays, autopsy reports - or quick eyewitness accounts in a rushed environment? I choose the former.

In any case, we're getting away from the OP. I think the photo aligns with Z-315.

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Re: Moorman Photo taken at Zapruder Z319
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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Moorman Photo taken at Zapruder Z319
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2021, 07:00:00 AM »
Z-315



In the Moorman pic we see the "windshield" of the motorbike closest to Moorman.
It doesn't seem right in z315 which is why I prefer z316 (not that it matters much in the grand scheme of things)

Offline Allan Fritzke

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Re: Moorman Photo taken at Zapruder Z319
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2021, 09:15:05 AM »
The most common answer I have heard is frame 315. If you calculate lines of sight through the limo to the fence in the Knoll and certain portions of the stairs it shows the limo to be at the frame 315 position. It is hard to be completely accurate But it seems to be about three feet past frame 313.

I based it on  Z318 to Z319  because it appears Kellerman is not facing directly forward when this photo was taken.   I base that assumption on the round profile of the back of his head (as illustrated by another picture of him when he was in a motorcade with FDR.   I can agree that the only logical place that the polaroid photo taken by Mary Moorman in her given position on Zapruder film was at Zapruder Z315 or Z316 as everyone pointed out in their arguments.  I have always wondered why Jacqueline's actions are delayed and why the Moorman camera appears motionless helplessly stuck pointing at Z300 and then end up taking this picture at Z316 - miracle!   

Kellerman's head appears to be turned but it is being masked as well by an obstruction!?  At what point does this head turn match Zapruder's frames? (Z319?)     I believe John Connally was already at center of compartment.    Connally's head sits in the right direction at Z315 or Z316 for the polaroid shot.   I can't explain what is obscuring Kellerman's
face.  I am sure there is a logical explanation - just don't know what. Was there an object in the  front seat between Greer and him that showed up?

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Re: Moorman Photo taken at Zapruder Z319
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2021, 11:22:02 PM »
I never paid much attention if any to JFK in the Moorman photo.  But, looking at the enlargement now it appears to indicate a massive skull defect toward the top and front.   Am I seeing that right?

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Re: Moorman Photo taken at Zapruder Z319
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2021, 04:27:07 AM »
I never paid much attention if any to JFK in the Moorman photo.  But, looking at the enlargement now it appears to indicate a massive skull defect toward the top and front.   Am I seeing that right?

That's what i see also.
headshot Z-313
moorman Z-315


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Offline Robin Unger

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Re: Moorman Photo taken at Zapruder Z319
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2021, 05:12:04 AM »
Kellerman "ducking down" immediately after the headshot.
I slowed the film down so i could concentrate on the movement inside the limo.

I made this stabilized GIF a couple of years ago.

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