Author Topic: Did Ruby really kill Oswald?  (Read 2662 times)

Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Did Ruby really kill Oswald?
« Reply #80 on: January 05, 2021, 09:58:07 AM »
Tell us who 'destroyed' the soda bottle with the 'key' evidence

And what makes you think I'm a Cter

I'm assuming it was Lieutenant J C Day:

Mr. McCLOY. On the crime scene, that is, on the sixth floor, did you notice any chicken bones or chicken remnants of a chicken sandwich or lunch or the whereabouts, if you did see them?
Mr. DAY. Yes, sir; there was a sack of some chicken bones and a bottle brought into the identification bureau. I think I still have that sack and bottle down there. The chicken bones, I finally threw them away that laid around there. In my talking to the men who were working on that floor, November 25, they stated, one of them stated, he had eaten lunch over there.
Mr. McCLOY. Someone other than Oswald?
Mr. DAY. Yes, sir; so I discarded it, or disconnected it with being with Oswald. Incidentally, Oswald's fingerprints were not on the bottle. I checked that.
Mr. McCLOY. They were not on the bottle?
Mr. DAY. No, sir.


At the time of his WC testimony Day is saying he still has the lunch sack and soda bottle. The bottle was  never offered up as evidence because it didn't have Oswald's fingerprints on it (it had somebody's fingerprints but it seems Day never bothered to actually find out whose fingerprints). This is the last we hear of the soda bottle.

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Did Ruby really kill Oswald?
« Reply #81 on: January 05, 2021, 11:56:39 AM »
I'm assuming it was Lieutenant J C Day:

Mr. McCLOY. On the crime scene, that is, on the sixth floor, did you notice any chicken bones or chicken remnants of a chicken sandwich or lunch or the whereabouts, if you did see them?
Mr. DAY. Yes, sir; there was a sack of some chicken bones and a bottle brought into the identification bureau. I think I still have that sack and bottle down there. The chicken bones, I finally threw them away that laid around there. In my talking to the men who were working on that floor, November 25, they stated, one of them stated, he had eaten lunch over there.
Mr. McCLOY. Someone other than Oswald?
Mr. DAY. Yes, sir; so I discarded it, or disconnected it with being with Oswald. Incidentally, Oswald's fingerprints were not on the bottle. I checked that.
Mr. McCLOY. They were not on the bottle?
Mr. DAY. No, sir.


At the time of his WC testimony Day is saying he still has the lunch sack and soda bottle. The bottle was  never offered up as evidence because it didn't have Oswald's fingerprints on it (it had somebody's fingerprints but it seems Day never bothered to actually find out whose fingerprints). This is the last we hear of the soda bottle.

So how does that qualify as 'destroyed' evidence? And you still need to point out where I qualify as a CTer.
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Did Ruby really kill Oswald?
« Reply #82 on: January 05, 2021, 06:48:37 PM »
Are the bottle and bag still available for examination?

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Did Ruby really kill Oswald?
« Reply #83 on: January 07, 2021, 03:39:42 AM »
I agree, perhaps reading glasses with clear lenses.
These?.......
 


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Re: Did Ruby really kill Oswald?
« Reply #84 on: January 07, 2021, 03:55:06 AM »
These?.......
 


They appear to be similar. However in that photo it would appear that he was near sighted and needed glasses for distance viewing. Reading or distance, either way the point that I was making is that I was agreeing that they had clear lenses versus dark sunglasses lenses. Reading glasses would be more common for middle aged people, so that was my first guess.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Did Ruby really kill Oswald?
« Reply #85 on: January 08, 2021, 12:36:14 AM »
Has anyone else ever found a picture of Ruby wearing glasses? Or a report of some sort that he wore glasses or needed them for vision.
Most people who are near sighted have to wear corrective lenses all the time [for driving and stuff]
Probably far too late to obtain vision exams records huh?

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Re: Did Ruby really kill Oswald?
« Reply #86 on: January 13, 2021, 03:36:43 PM »
Hello, I am new here. After researching the video footage of Oswald getting shot, as well as  photos of Jack Ruby, his own words, etc... as well as the work of other independent researchers on this topic, I am convinced there is more to Oswald's killing than meets the eye. The short man in the fedora who killed Oswald, how can we be sure it was really Jack Ruby? We never see his face. The Oswald shooter is shorter, has stocky legs wider and has a wider face than Ruby did. He was also wearing a different colored suit jacket than Ruby was in the Dallas County jail corridor, minutes before, and he had no fedora on and an entirely different build, hairline, messy hair cut, and ear shape. Plus no one ever photographs or films the Oswald shooters face EVER. When he is wrestled to the ground after he shoots Oswald, everyone seems to carefully cover him so NO ONE sees him. There is zero photographic or film evidence of this man's face. Then only afterwards do you see Ruby walking without his suit jacket on, supposedly right after he was arrested and apprehended. It just doesnt match up. Why doesn't he still have his suit jacket ojn? Maybe because they knew it is much lighter than the Oswald shooter's jacket? That is just one inconsistency in all this. Plus, listening to Ruby interviewed convinces me he was set up as a patsy, just like Oswald was. RAlph Stinky did some interesting work on this subject: I agree with a lot of his thesis. What do you guys think? Isn't it strange we NEVER see the Oswald's shooter's face from the time he appears to the time he is wrestled to the ground and apprehended?


We never see his face.


I just happened to read this today and it reminded me of this thread. I have a vague memory of seeing a film in which Ruby looks back to where the camera catches one side of his face. Does anyone know which film it is and possibly have a frame capture of it?


Mr. HUBERT. Did you hear anybody running down the ramp just before the shooting, running down or possibly walking down?
Mr. PHENIX. No, I think if he had been running I would have heard him because the sound just echoes in that basement.
I saw some film, and I'm sure you've seen it too, some of the film that showed Ruby positioned down there, and he looks back where you catch almost a full shot of his face before Oswald comes down, and that anyway--it just looks like he was there for a while

Offline Mark A. Oblazney

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Re: Did Ruby really kill Oswald?
« Reply #87 on: January 25, 2021, 01:17:14 PM »
Gosh, Ralph (uh, i uh, mean, uh, Dave Conti).  How come you don't post anymore?  How's your new movie comin' along???    LOL !!!

Raff* posted about this not too long ago on his oh-so famous blog, oddwalski in the doorwayski, uh........  yes, he's still at it.  And he's coming out with another movie.  This is priceless !!!

 

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