Author Topic: Is the 6th floor museum losing its touch?  (Read 1748 times)

Online Charles Collins

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Re: Is the 6th floor museum losing its touch?
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2020, 04:59:58 PM »
Why do they need to stay neutral?  There is no real debate that Oswald was the assassin.  All the evidence points in that direction.  A museum presents facts not crazy, baseless theories.  Does Ford's Theatre need to remain "neutral" about John Wilkes Booth's involvement in the Lincoln assassination?  That is absurd.

Why do they need to stay neutral?


Two good (in my opinion) reasons would be:

1. The same reason that celebrities and entertainers (be it athletes, musicians, actors, etc.) should be publicly neutral (especially regarding political items): in order to try not to alienate a large percentage of their fans (customers). The Sixth Floor Museum is a for-profit business. And it makes good business sense to not alienate their potential customers by taking one side or the other. The controversy surrounding the assassination generates a large percentage of the interest that potential visitors to the museum have. So having an ongoing controversy is good for their business. Why would they want to state their opinion? Taking a side, either way, would tend to discourage potential customers (the ones that feel strongly that the opposite side is correct) from wanting to visit the museum.

2. Public opinions change over time. But factual information does not. Presenting the facts impartially is not only ethical, but insures that the museum will stay relevant even if the public opinions change years from now.

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Re: Is the 6th floor museum losing its touch?
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2020, 05:03:07 PM »
Unfortunately because of anti-American leftwingers like Oliver Stone (like the leftist Mark Lane earlier who ruined the thinking of thousands of college kids) and his disgraceful movie "JFK" - which was widely praised and shown around the world - many younger Americans believe there was a conspiracy. The movie was shown in history classes in public schools at the time of its release. Maybe it still is. So I think the Museum has to at least indirectly if not directly mention this fact and present - fairly but not uncritically - the major theories, e.g., grassy knoll shooter.

As we know since the assassination more than half - sometimes up to 70% of Americans - believed there was a conspiracy. And many people around the world also believe there was a conspiracy. Earl Warren said that after the release of the WC report that when he went overseas to lecture or give speeches that he often received critical questions about the report. People in Europe, for example, simply didn't believe the lone assassin explanation. Fred Litwin talked about leftwing Canadians using the CBS CBC (the Canadian national TV network) to promote these conspiracy claims.

So, again unfortunately I don't think the Museum can ignore the overall conspiracy view, a view that is probably held by most people and not just Americans. This is not like the Lincoln assassination.
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Re: Is the 6th floor museum losing its touch?
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2020, 05:09:49 PM »
If "impartial" means a lack of bias that is not based on evidence, it would be ok.  After all judges and juries are supposed to be impartial and they often reach pretty definitive conclusions.    However, if by impartial it means that the museum does not take a stand and provide historically accurate information e.g does not provide the evidence that Oswald shot JFK and Officer Tippet and does not mention the lack of evidence that anyone else did, then it is doing an historical disservice.


However, if by impartial it means that the museum does not take a stand and provide historically accurate information e.g does not provide the evidence that Oswald shot JFK and Officer Tippet and does not mention the lack of evidence that anyone else did, then it is doing an historical disservice.

That would not be impartial, period.

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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2020, 05:21:01 PM »
Unfortunately because of anti-American leftwingers like Oliver Stone (like the leftist Mark Lane earlier who ruined the thinking of thousands of college kids) and his disgraceful movie "JFK" - which was widely praised and shown around the world - many younger Americans believe there was a conspiracy. The movie was shown in history classes in public schools at the time of its release. Maybe it still is. So I think the Museum has to at least indirectly if not directly mention this fact and present - fairly but not uncritically - the major theories, e.g., grassy knoll shooter.

As we know since the assassination more than half - sometimes up to 70% of Americans - believed there was a conspiracy. And many people around the world also believe there was a conspiracy. Earl Warren said that after the release of the WC report that when he went overseas to lecture or give speeches that he often received critical questions about the report. People in Europe, for example, simply didn't believe the lone assassin explanation. Fred Litwin talked about leftwing Canadians using the CBS to promote these conspiracy claims.

So, again unfortunately I don't think the Museum can ignore the overall conspiracy view, a view that is probably held by most people and not just Americans. This is not like the Lincoln assassination.

Exactly.

And donít forget that the interest in the museum (and visitation numbers) increased dramatically because of the popularity of Stoneís movie. But that doesnít mean that the museum should endorse the film as being totally factual. Just answer the conspiratorial type of questions that arise impartially and with as much factual information as possible. That is easier said than done, I know. But that is their apparent goal.

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Re: Is the 6th floor museum losing its touch?
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2020, 05:35:43 PM »
Exactly.

And donít forget that the interest in the museum (and visitation numbers) increased dramatically because of the popularity of Stoneís movie. But that doesnít mean that the museum should endorse the film as being totally factual. Just answer the conspiratorial type of questions that arise impartially and with as much factual information as possible. That is easier said than done, I know. But that is their apparent goal.
Yes, they simply can't ignore this alternative view although I guess we lone assassin believers are the holders of the "alternative" view right? Let's be honest here: we're sadly in the minority. Not only of Americans but probably "world" opinion (however that's measured).

Lots of Americans think Trump stole the election in 2016 with the help of Moscow. And lots think today that Biden stole the election because of voting chicanery by Democrats. Ugh. It's a sad commentary on our times; and a sad commentary about how completely divided we are as a people. But that's another subject for another time.

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Re: Is the 6th floor museum losing its touch?
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2020, 06:08:34 PM »
Lots of Americans think Trump stole the election in 2016 with the help of Moscow. And lots think today that Biden stole the election because of voting chicanery by Democrats. Ugh.

How come social media never banned online talk suggesting that Trump stole the 2016 election? Youtube has banned all such talk about Biden stealing this election.

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Re: Is the 6th floor museum losing its touch?
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2020, 07:43:48 PM »
Yes, they simply can't ignore this alternative view although I guess we lone assassin believers are the holders of the "alternative" view right? Let's be honest here: we're sadly in the minority. Not only of Americans but probably "world" opinion (however that's measured).

Lots of Americans think Trump stole the election in 2016 with the help of Moscow. And lots think today that Biden stole the election because of voting chicanery by Democrats. Ugh. It's a sad commentary on our times; and a sad commentary about how completely divided we are as a people. But that's another subject for another time.


Yep, definitely the minority.

Initially, there was a lot of opposition (in Dallas) to preserving the TSBD building and creating the Sixth Floor Museum. But It is now one of the main attractions for Dallas. And I am very happy that they created it and preserved Dealey Plaza. Just another example of why the efforts to destroy monuments depicting our major historical events is misguided.

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Re: Is the 6th floor museum losing its touch?
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2020, 09:07:58 PM »
How come social media never banned online talk suggesting that Trump stole the 2016 election? Youtube has banned all such talk about Biden stealing this election.
Maybe because Trump "stole" it legally - he got fewer votes and much fewer votes per electoral vote because of the crazy way your U.S. electoral college works. He also "stole" it legally with the assistance of rampant voter suppression by GOP state executives and legislators. But even that was legal because your courts do not recognize universal suffrage as a constitutional right.   So there was nothing wrong with his election - just with the system that your country tolerates for some reason.  U.S. democracy is not living up to its ideals and Trump took full advantage of it.

Hillary Clinton recognized that she lost the election and she never alleged widespread voter fraud.  But she did complain about the 8 hour-long waits to vote that many of her supporters had to endure and the other attempts by some states (e.g. Georgia) to deregister and suppress the vote of blacks and hispanics.  The GOP did not even deny that their tactics were to suppress the non-GOP vote.  She also complained about the Comey statement about her emails late in the election and Russian interference.  When she said that she felt the election was stolen from her that is what she mentioned. She never suggested that the actual votes that were counted were not all the legal votes that were cast by legal Amercan voters.

Trump is the one that was alleging wide-spread voter fraud in 2016 (both before and after the election) and even appointed a commission to look into voter fraud.  The commission never made a report, however because Trump disbanded it in 2018. I wonder why.....
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Re: Is the 6th floor museum losing its touch?
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2020, 09:21:43 PM »

Yep, definitely the minority.

Initially, there was a lot of opposition (in Dallas) to preserving the TSBD building and creating the Sixth Floor Museum. But It is now one of the main attractions for Dallas. And I am very happy that they created it and preserved Dealey Plaza. Just another example of why the efforts to destroy monuments depicting our major historical events is misguided.
I hope you are not including in those monuments all the "monuments" to Confederate leaders in the Civil War.  There were many diabolical historically significant figures - Stalin, Saddam, Pol Pot, Ghadafi, Ceaușescu etc..  That does not mean they deserve monuments.

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Re: Is the 6th floor museum losing its touch?
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2020, 09:30:37 PM »

However, if by impartial it means that the museum does not take a stand and provide historically accurate information e.g does not provide the evidence that Oswald shot JFK and Officer Tippet and does not mention the lack of evidence that anyone else did, then it is doing an historical disservice.

That would not be impartial, period.
Ok then, I agree with you.  Impartial means the absence of predisposition one way or the other ie. before looking at the evidence. But in looking at the evidence the Museum should not feel the need to present the evidence that Oswald acted alone as being "equal" to alternative conspiracy theories.

I have not been to the Sixth Floor Museum but I hope to eventually. A good test would be to see how the Museum treats Ruby and his killing of Oswald. It can present all of the evidence of what kind of character Ruby was.  But if it should fail to present the evidence of what Ruby did on the morning of November 24/63 at the time Oswald was supposed to be transferred, as well as the evidence that shows the impossibility of Ruby knowing in advance that Oswald would be coming out of those doors 2 hours late, then I think it would be failing to act impartially.
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