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Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2020, 03:04:13 AM »
You're missing the point Jack.
How could a shot from the front cause the flap of scalp to be hinged from the front of JFK's head. Why isn't the 'hinge' of this flap of scalp towards the back of his head?

You missed my point Dan. The flap on the right temple blow out was caused by a shot from the knoll, not the front. Besides, the hinge has nothing to do with where the shot came from. The hinge represents the strongest part the skull at the point of the blow out, and is not related to the direction of the shot. Why do you think otherwise?

Here is frame 323 and the damage caused by the near simultaneous knoll and frontal shots (minus the fist-sized hole at the back of the head):



A FMJ bullet does not do this kind of damage. Frangible bullets, however, do.
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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2020, 04:15:42 AM »
You missed my point Dan. The flap on the right temple blow out was caused by a shot from the knoll, not the front. Besides, the hinge has nothing to do with where the shot came from. The hinge represents the strongest part the skull at the point of the blow out, and is not related to the direction of the shot. Why do you think otherwise?

Here is frame 323 and the damage caused by the near simultaneous knoll and frontal shots (minus the fist-sized hole at the back of the head):



A FMJ bullet does not do this kind of damage. Frangible bullets, however, do.

You're right Jack, I am missing your point.
When you say "from the knoll, not from the front" I don't understand what you're saying.
Is the headshot at z313 coming from somewhere in front of JFK or not?

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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2020, 05:27:20 PM »
You're right Jack, I am missing your point.
When you say "from the knoll, not from the front" I don't understand what you're saying.
Is the headshot at z313 coming from somewhere in front of JFK or not?

What part of 2 near simultaneous shots don't you get? (knoll & overpass)

The knoll shot resulted in the right temple blow out and the overpass shot did the damage you see in z323. Both were headshots that occurred near z313.
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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2020, 05:59:28 PM »
What part of 2 near simultaneous shots don't you get? (knoll & overpass)

The knoll shot resulted in the right temple blow out and the overpass shot did the damage you see in z323. Both were headshots that occurred near z313.

What part of 'manners' don't you get?

When JFK is struck at z312 the knoll is to the front right of him so when you say "from the knoll, not the front" it makes you sound like you don't know what you're talking about.
A shot from the overpass?



Whereabouts from the overpass? Who witnessed this? What evidence do you have for a shot from the overpass?

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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2020, 06:45:01 PM »
What part of 'manners' don't you get?

When JFK is struck at z312 the knoll is to the front right of him so when you say "from the knoll, not the front" it makes you sound like you don't know what you're talking about.
A shot from the overpass?



Whereabouts from the overpass? Who witnessed this? What evidence do you have for a shot from the overpass?

Manners? LOL. You're just like my wife, you sense "attitude" when there is none. I am not offering proof of anything, it's my best guess using logic based on the facts. You are asking me questions as though you didn't read my posts. I answered all your questions up thread. I guess you just don't want to hear them.

The knoll shot was side-front using a frangible bullet that blew out a perfectly circular 2 inch diameter hole at JFK's right temple. This was an entrance wound that blew out when the bullet exploded creating a skull hinge on the right side of the blow out.

The overpass shot was full-frontal. I assume there was a shot from the front because JFK had a fist-sized hole in the back of his head. This had to be a blow out from a frontal shot which was an exit wound (if a FMJ bullet was used). I placed the shooter on the overpass because that matched the trajectory of the bullet that blew out the hole in the back of his head.

Those 2 shots are responsible for JFK's motion, "back and to the left". I also explained why the placement of a blow out hinge on the skull does not necessarily indicate where the shot came from.

JMHO of course. It certainly wasn't Oswald taking a shot from the TSBD that simultaneously blew out JFK's right temple AND the back of his head. So if it wasn't Oswald shooting magic frangible bullets then....you tell me.


PS. "Overpass" is inaccurate. The frontal shot came from the tracks to the left of the overpass. (see graphic up thread)


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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2020, 07:12:41 PM »
Manners? LOL. You're just like my wife, you sense "attitude" when there is none. I am not offering proof of anything, it's my best guess using logic based on the facts. You are asking me questions as though you didn't read my posts. I answered all your questions up thread. I guess you just don't want to hear them.

The knoll shot was side-front using a frangible bullet that blew out a perfectly circular 2 inch diameter hole at JFK's right temple. This was an entrance wound that blew out when the bullet exploded creating a skull hinge on the right side of the blow out.

The overpass shot was full-frontal. I assume there was a shot from the front because JFK had a fist-sized hole in the back of his head. This had to be a blow out from a frontal shot which was an exit wound (if a FMJ bullet was used). I placed the shooter on the overpass because that matched the trajectory of the bullet that blew out the hole in the back of his head.

Those 2 shots are responsible for JFK's motion, "back and to the left". I also explained why the placement of a blow out hinge on the skull does not necessarily indicate where the shot came from.

JMHO of course. It certainly wasn't Oswald taking a shot from the TSBD that simultaneously blew out JFK's right temple AND the back of his head. So if it wasn't Oswald shooting magic frangible bullets then....you tell me.


PS. "Overpass" is inaccurate. The frontal shot came from the tracks to the left of the overpass. (see graphic up thread)

Thanks for sharing your harmonious marital situation.
I get it, your just guessing. Same as myself.
Your previous pronouncements had a certainty that I mistook for a deeper knowledge of the situation.
Up to this point I had the feeling it was two simultaneous headshots - one from behind, one from in front causing the 'back and to the left' motion.
The issue with the flap of scalp falling forward is confusing. Reading Pat Speers work on it at the moment.

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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2020, 07:51:33 PM »
Thanks for sharing your harmonious marital situation.
I get it, your just guessing. Same as myself.
Your previous pronouncements had a certainty that I mistook for a deeper knowledge of the situation.
Up to this point I had the feeling it was two simultaneous headshots - one from behind, one from in front causing the 'back and to the left' motion.
The issue with the flap of scalp falling forward is confusing. Reading Pat Speers work on it at the moment.

How does a shot from behind cause JFK to jerk back and to the left? And do you think that shot also blew out a "fist-sized hole" in the right occipital region of JFK's skull (back)?

The only shot from behind that hit the target was the magic bullet with the impossible trajectory, that Oswald didn't take.

PS The near simultaneousness of the shots at the Turkey Shoot Point (where the limo slowed down to) was by design, so that 2 or more shots sound like a single shot + echoes.
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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2020, 04:18:55 AM »
How does a shot from behind cause JFK to jerk back and to the left? And do you think that shot also blew out a "fist-sized hole" in the right occipital region of JFK's skull (back)?

The only shot from behind that hit the target was the magic bullet with the impossible trajectory, that Oswald didn't take.

PS The near simultaneousness of the shots at the Turkey Shoot Point (where the limo slowed down to) was by design, so that 2 or more shots sound like a single shot + echoes.
Simultaneous shots?
Was this by design?
Do tell.

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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2020, 07:16:10 AM »
There was a recording of a reporter from a news station on the scene and he said there were "2 shots in rapid succession" were his words when reporting to the news station.  If it was from the same gun, it would have had to be an automatic handgun. If not, there were 2 shooters.   

I have always said the man rolling into the grass (Malcom Summers) as the car rolls by has a lot of explaining to do and had momentum.  No one else in the sidelines moves!   There are serious doubts about this man's identity.  He came forward after the film was released to the public - not before.  The windshield needed changing and car removed out of Texas - wonder why?

Because there is no picture or x-ray data of his body,  Ida Dox drew a picture.  I still fail to see a bone structure in Z337 and for me the head is missing.   I know Jerry Organ posted a picture of a "round" head which apparently was left behind after the bone flap hinged down.  I disagree. That is her shoulder and you can see her movement and watch her glove come over what was left of the head.   Alteration for me is evidence that they needed to show a shot from TSBD.    I would like it proven that Z312 and Z337 don't show an ear.





Continuing that argument,  follow Jacqueline's shoulder movement and see her left glove appear above his head at Z340 and more of it in Z341.  The white glove in Z341 is showing up where the head should be - the head just isn't there anymore!   The shoulder is always there in frames Z338 and Z339 and you can see her body flow as she prepares her escape.  Again, that vertical line in Z337 is a major cut and paste as you can see the horizontal line in the grass where the hue of the cut doesn't quite match the grass beside and it is a cut extending vertical down right next to her head!  Again dark side/light side where you would expect to blend a cut line in. That shiny white spot where his head was is her left glove in Z341!!

 
 
 
 

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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2020, 10:13:16 AM »
How does a shot from behind cause JFK to jerk back and to the left? And do you think that shot also blew out a "fist-sized hole" in the right occipital region of JFK's skull (back)?

My post says a shot from the front causing the back/left motion

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The only shot from behind that hit the target was the magic bullet with the impossible trajectory, that Oswald didn't take.

Guesswork

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PS The near simultaneousness of the shots at the Turkey Shoot Point (where the limo slowed down to) was by design, so that 2 or more shots sound like a single shot + echoes.

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