The First Shot

[Dan O'meara]

...to your satisfaction. You have a really goofy idea as to what constitutes proof.

Hint: proof isn't repeating the same nonsense over and over again.

'Proof' is photographic evidence demonstrating beyond the slightest doubt that you are full of sh!t.
And it's faintly amusing that you would accuse someone else of repeating the same nonsense over and over again. All you do is spew the Warren Commission's findings, which you've clearly learned in full, over and over again.
The moment you step outside this narrow field of knowledge you make an instant buffoon of yourself.

But let's not get distracted by your incompetence.
You were asked a couple of questions about JBC which are a chance for you to show off your expert knowledge of how JBC's recollection of the shooting is corroborated by the Z-film.
Just for general amusement let's see what pearls of wisdom you have to offer:

JBC is also unequivocal that the gap between him hearing the first shot and being hit is "a split second", literally less than a second. He knows his rifles and he is convinced at first that there are multiple people firing or that someone is using an automatic rifle. He is saying that the gap was so small it could not have been done by a single person using a bolt action rifle, it had to be multiple people or a automatic. How do you explain that?

JBC studies the Z-film and chooses z234 (or z232) as the frame he is shot. How do you explain that?

[John Corbett]

'Proof' is photographic evidence demonstrating beyond the slightest doubt that you are full of sh!t.
And it's faintly amusing that you would accuse someone else of repeating the same nonsense over and over again. All you do is spew the Warren Commission's findings, which you've clearly learned in full, over and over again.
The moment you step outside this narrow field of knowledge you make an instant buffoon of yourself.

But let's not get distracted by your incompetence.
You were asked a couple of questions about JBC which are a chance for you to show off your expert knowledge of how JBC's recollection of the shooting is corroborated by the Z-film.
Just for general amusement let's see what pearls of wisdom you have to offer:

JBC is also unequivocal that the gap between him hearing the first shot and being hit is "a split second", literally less than a second. He knows his rifles and he is convinced at first that there are multiple people firing or that someone is using an automatic rifle. He is saying that the gap was so small it could not have been done by a single person using a bolt action rifle, it had to be multiple people or a automatic. How do you explain that?

JBC studies the Z-film and chooses z234 (or z232) as the frame he is shot. How do you explain that?

Whenever I see someone quote a few words out of context, it's a pretty safe bet that person is lying about what was actually said. Your "a split second" is a perfect example. Here is what JBC said to the WC:

Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate as to the timespan between the first shot which you heard and the shot which you heretofore characterized as the third shot?
Governor CONNALLY. It was a very brief span of time; oh, I would have to say a matter of seconds. I don't know, 10, 12 seconds. It was extremely rapid, so much so that again I thought that whoever was firing must be firing with an automatic rifle because of the rapidity of the shots; a very short period of time.

If the entire time frame was 10, 12 seconds, that would mean that if there was only "a split second" between the first and second shots, then there would have been 10-12 seconds between the second and third shots. Is that the hill you want to die on?

It should also be noted that people often refer to semi-automatic weapons as automatic. Most fully automatic weapons fire 10 rounds per second or faster. If it had been a full auto weapon, JBC would not have heard individual shots and it certainly wouldn't take 10-12 seconds to fire 3 rounds. For those who aren't familiar with firearms, a semi-auto weapon is one that uses the gasses from one shot to eject the spent shell and chamber the next round from a magazine. As such, they can fire more rapidly than a bolt or lever action rifle, but they still only fire one round with each pull of the trigger.

[Dan O'meara]

Whenever I see someone quote a few words out of context, it's a pretty safe bet that person is lying about what was actually said. Your "a split second" is a perfect example.

The reason you think the "split second" reference is out of context is because of your profound ignorance regarding this case. It wouldn't be so bad but you've already been corrected on this specific issue in this very thread (and not that long ago).
Pat Speer has a comprehensive collection of everything Connally said about the shooting at his website. This is part of an FBI interview with JBC on the 11th December, '63.

(12-13-63 FBI report on a 12-11 interview, CD188, p. 3-5) When Governor Connally was asked about the elapsed time between the first and last shot he remarked “Fast, my God it was fast. It seemed like a split second. Just that quick” and he snapped his fingers three times rapidly to illustrate the time and said “unbelievably quick…Governor Connally felt the shots were fired so fast the assassin had hit him by accident on the second shot.”.


"It seemed like a split second"
"Fast, my God it was fast."
"A very, very brief span of time"
"unbelievably quick"
"Snapped his fingers three times rapidly"

So, nothing has been taken out of context. You just aren't familiar with the evidence (even when it's already been pointed out to you).

Here is what JBC said to the WC

Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate as to the timespan between the first shot which you heard and the shot which you heretofore characterized as the third shot?
Governor CONNALLY. It was a very brief span of time; oh, I would have to say a matter of seconds. I don't know, 10, 12 seconds. It was extremely rapid, so much so that again I thought that whoever was firing must be firing with an automatic rifle because of the rapidity of the shots; a very short period of time.

Because I'm now expecting a certain amount of deviousness in these exchanges I felt it was important to concentrate on the part of JBC's testimony that you seem to have 'forgotten'. The part of his WC testimony that was actually about the amount of time between the first shot and JBC feeling the blow in his back which he assumed was a second shot:

Mr. SPECTER. What is the best estimate that you have as to the time span between the sound of the first shot and the feeling of someone hitting you in the back which you just described?

Governor CONNALLY. A very, very brief span of time...and the thought immediately passed through my mind that there were either two or three people involved or more...or someone was shooting with an automatic rifle. These were just the thoughts that went through my mind because of the rapidity of these two, of the first shot plus the blow that I took..."

"These are the thoughts that went through my mind because of the rapidity of...the first shot plus the blow that I took...that there were either two or three people involved or more...or someone was shooting with an automatic rifle."
These are his actual words regarding the length of time between the first shot and the feeling of being shot. This length of time was so brief JBC felt that two or three people must be firing at him or that an automatic rifle was being used. Elsewhere he has used the phrase "split second" which would accurately convey the length of time JBC is trying to describe - literally less than one second.

If the entire time frame was 10, 12 seconds, that would mean that if there was only "a split second" between the first and second shots, then there would have been 10-12 seconds between the second and third shots. Is that the hill you want to die on?

The hill I want to die on?
Don't you mean the hill JBC wants to die on.
He is the one describing what he remembers, not me.
That the gap between the first and second shots was incredibly small.
But this is not shown in the Z-film.
So why does JBC the gap was a split second?

And here's another mystery for which you have no answer.
As we have seen, JBC can't emphasise enough how rapidly the shooting occurred. Over and over again he uses imagery and phrases that force home the extreme rapidity of the shots...but then he guesses at 10 to 12 seconds for the duration of the shooting!! This is an eternity as far as the shooting is concerned.
How is it possible to reconcile him snapping his fingers "three times rapidly" with 10 to 12 seconds?
There is zero evidence that supports such a long timespan between the first and last shot.
This is another thing JBC appears to have got wrong.

It should also be noted that people often refer to semi-automatic weapons as automatic. Most fully automatic weapons fire 10 rounds per second or faster. If it had been a full auto weapon, JBC would not have heard individual shots and it certainly wouldn't take 10-12 seconds to fire 3 rounds. For those who aren't familiar with firearms, a semi-auto weapon is one that uses the gasses from one shot to eject the spent shell and chamber the next round from a magazine. As such, they can fire more rapidly than a bolt or lever action rifle, but they still only fire one round with each pull of the trigger.

It should also be noted that people often refer to semi-automatic weapons as automatic

 
I knew it wouldn't be long before you started explaining what the witness really meant.
This is such a Nutter trait and you are as rabid as they come.
Even though you will fully agree that JBC knows his weaponry he still needs you, someone who can't think for himself, to explain what he really meant.

JBC heard the first shot clearly but did not hear the second shot. Why not?

He emphasises over and over again that there was barely any time between the first two shots but the Z-film shows this not to be true. How can this be?

He states that he turned to look over his right shoulder BEFORE he is shot but the Z-film shows conclusively that the one and only time he attempts to look over his right shoulder is AFTER he has been shot. How can this be?

He states that he is hit while his head is turned slightly to the left. There are only two times in the Z-film he does this - firstly in the z160's and he is clearly not hit then. Secondly in the z230's when it is clear he has already been hit. How can this be?

The Z-film absolutely refutes JBC's account of the shooting on virtually every point. How can that be?

Just to clarify, I don't believe for a second that he is lying. I believe he is honestly reporting the shooting exactly as he remembers it.
How do you deal with these inconsistencies and contradictions? 

[John Corbett]

The reason you think the "split second" reference is out of context is because of your profound ignorance regarding this case. It wouldn't be so bad but you've already been corrected on this specific issue in this very thread (and not that long ago).
Pat Speer has a comprehensive collection of everything Connally said about the shooting at his website. This is part of an FBI interview with JBC on the 11th December, '63.

(12-13-63 FBI report on a 12-11 interview, CD188, p. 3-5) When Governor Connally was asked about the elapsed time between the first and last shot he remarked “Fast, my God it was fast. It seemed like a split second. Just that quick” and he snapped his fingers three times rapidly to illustrate the time and said “unbelievably quick…Governor Connally felt the shots were fired so fast the assassin had hit him by accident on the second shot.”.


"It seemed like a split second"
"Fast, my God it was fast."
"A very, very brief span of time"
"unbelievably quick"
"Snapped his fingers three times rapidly"

Did you happen to notice that when I quoted JBC's WC testimony, I posted both the question and the answer. Why didn't you do that. Then we would know what he was responding to.

In any case when he described the time span to the WC, he said 10-12 seconds. I wouldn't describe snapping your fingers 3 times in that time span as rapid.

So, nothing has been taken out of context. You just aren't familiar with the evidence (even when it's already been pointed out to you).

You most certainly did take the quote out of context and when pressed on it, you only gave partial context. Why don't you post a link to the report you are citing so the rest of us don't have to guess at what it says.

Because I'm now expecting a certain amount of deviousness in these exchanges I felt it was important to concentrate on the part of JBC's testimony that you seem to have 'forgotten'. The part of his WC testimony that was actually about the amount of time between the first shot and JBC feeling the blow in his back which he assumed was a second shot:

Mr. SPECTER. What is the best estimate that you have as to the time span between the sound of the first shot and the feeling of someone hitting you in the back which you just described?

Governor CONNALLY. A very, very brief span of time...and the thought immediately passed through my mind that there were either two or three people involved or more...or someone was shooting with an automatic rifle. These were just the thoughts that went through my mind because of the rapidity of these two, of the first shot plus the blow that I took..."

"These are the thoughts that went through my mind because of the rapidity of...the first shot plus the blow that I took...that there were either two or three people involved or more...or someone was shooting with an automatic rifle."
These are his actual words regarding the length of time between the first shot and the feeling of being shot. This length of time was so brief JBC felt that two or three people must be firing at him or that an automatic rifle was being used. Elsewhere he has used the phrase "split second" which would accurately convey the length of time JBC is trying to describe - literally less than one second.

He doesn't say "a split second". He gives a vague estimate of "A very, very brief span of time". How many seconds is that? JBC first turned in reaction to the first shot at Z164. He was struck less than 3 and a quarter seconds later. That seems rather brief to me. I've never been shot out but it it wouldn't surprise me that when that happens, things would seem to speed up for the person being shot at.

The hill I want to die on?
Don't you mean the hill JBC wants to die on.
He is the one describing what he remembers, not me.
That the gap between the first and second shots was incredibly small.
But this is not shown in the Z-film.
So why does JBC the gap was a split second?

Why did he testify it was about 10-12 seconds?

And here's another mystery for which you have no answer.
As we have seen, JBC can't emphasise enough how rapidly the shooting occurred.

10-12 seconds according to his testimony.

Over and over again he uses imagery and phrases that force home the extreme rapidity of the shots...but then he guesses at 10 to 12 seconds for the duration of the shooting!!

Not a bad guess. I have it at just under 9 seconds.

This is an eternity as far as the shooting is concerned.
How is it possible to reconcile him snapping his fingers "three times rapidly" with 10 to 12 seconds?

That's easy. It wasn't as fast as him snapping his fingers 3 times. The Z-film indicates his 10-12 second estimate was pretty close. About a second too long.

 
There is zero evidence that supports such a long timespan between the first and last shot.
This is another thing JBC appears to have got wrong.

Tom Graves would argue with you on that point. To me, there is solid evidence the shooting took place in just under 9 seconds. 163 frames which works out to 8.9 seconds.

It should also be noted that people often refer to semi-automatic weapons as automatic

 
I knew it wouldn't be long before you started explaining what the witness really meant.
This is such a Nutter trait and you are as rabid as they come.
Even though you will fully agree that JBC knows his weaponry he still needs you, someone who can't think for himself, to explain what he really meant.

Do you seriously think he heard 3 separate shots from a fully automatic weapon?

JBC heard the first shot clearly but did not hear the second shot. Why not?

It's called sensory overload. The brain can only process so much information at a time and the bullet struck JBC before the sound of the shot reached him. Connally understood this perfectly when he testified to to the WC:

Mr. SPECTER. Do you have any idea as to why you did not hear the second shot?
Governor CONNALLY. Well, first, again I assume the bullet was traveling faster than the sound. I was hit by the bullet prior to the time the sound reached me, and I was in either a state of shock or the impact was such that the sound didn't even register on me, but I was never conscious of hearing the second shot at all.
Obviously, at least the major wound that I took in the shoulder through the chest couldn't have been anything but the second shot. Obviously, it couldn't have been the third, because when the third shot was fired I was in a reclining position, and heard it, saw it and the effects of it, rather--I didn't see it, I saw the effects of it--so it obviously could not have been the third, and couldn't have been the first, in my judgment.

He emphasises over and over again that there was barely any time between the first two shots but the Z-film shows this not to be true. How can this be?

How long is "barely any time"?

He states that he turned to look over his right shoulder BEFORE he is shot but the Z-film shows conclusively that the one and only time he attempts to look over his right shoulder is AFTER he has been shot. How can this be?

Probably due to your willful blindness to what the Z-film shows.

He states that he is hit while his head is turned slightly to the left. There are only two times in the Z-film he does this - firstly in the z160's and he is clearly not hit then. Secondly in the z230's when it is clear he has already been hit. How can this be?

He said he had started turning back to his left when he felt the bullet hit him. He continued making that turn for about a half second during which time he also flipped his injured right arm into the air. After that reaction, he started turning and dipping back to the right. He remembered that. He had no memory of flipping his arm upward even though we clearly see him doing that in the Z-film, not coincidentally at the very same frame JFK flipped both of his arms upward.

The Z-film absolutely refutes JBC's account of the shooting on virtually every point. How can that be?

He got most things right but a few wrong. He misjudged the frame he was struck at because he was looking for the reaction remembered making, not the involuntary arm flip he had no memory of. He also believed for whatever reason that JFK had been hit by the first shot. I don't know why he believed that because by his own admission he couldn't see JFK when he turned.

Just to clarify, I don't believe for a second that he is lying. I believe he is honestly reporting the shooting exactly as he remembers it.
How do you deal with these inconsistencies and contradictions? 

I just gave you my answers. You're not entitled to ones you like.