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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Is Jim DiEugenio correct about Oswalds rifle?
« Reply #48 on: September 28, 2020, 04:42:25 PM »
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Oswald supposedly ordered a 36" long gun, yet somehow received a 40" long gun.
Still no explanation as to why.
Ordered no ammo, no record of purchase of ammo.
Why?

Oswald supposedly ordered a 36" long gun, yet somehow received a 40" long gun.
Still no explanation as to why.


This argument is silly......   Simply because the add listed the carcano as a 36" carbine doesn't preclude the possibility that Klein's had ran out of the 36" carcano and there fore simply shipped the 40 inch model to buyers.   

This argument has been going for decades......and it proves NOTHING!

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Re: Is Jim DiEugenio correct about Oswalds rifle?
« Reply #48 on: September 28, 2020, 04:42:25 PM »


Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Is Jim DiEugenio correct about Oswalds rifle?
« Reply #49 on: September 28, 2020, 06:57:11 PM »
Oswald is an important figure in history. Why wouldn't you take a picture of his grave? It doesn't mean you're a "fan" of Oswald.
Guilt by association is such a silly argument. There's a picture of me, age 9, standing by the Brandenburg Gate. Does that mean I am a fan of Napoleon, Kaiser Wilhelm and Hitler, all of whom used it for political purposes?
( FYI, my family in Poland was oppressed by all those figures, especially old Adolf, so the question answers itself.)
What's your response to that, Mr Chapman?

You were standing. You were a kid. Were any of you kneeling?
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Re: Is Jim DiEugenio correct about Oswalds rifle?
« Reply #50 on: September 29, 2020, 03:32:37 PM »
You were standing. You were a kid. Were any of you kneeling?
No, because the Brandenburg Gate is quite tall, at least 100 feet above the ground. Oswald's gravesite is at ground level, hence the need to kneel and take a close up photo that includes the individual pictured and for Oswald's name on the grave site to be visible. 

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Re: Is Jim DiEugenio correct about Oswalds rifle?
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Re: Is Jim DiEugenio correct about Oswalds rifle?
« Reply #51 on: September 29, 2020, 03:49:06 PM »
Oswald supposedly ordered a 36" long gun, yet somehow received a 40" long gun.
Still no explanation as to why.


This argument is silly......   Simply because the add listed the carcano as a 36" carbine doesn't preclude the possibility that Klein's had ran out of the 36" carcano and there fore simply shipped the 40 inch model to buyers.   

This argument has been going for decades......and it proves NOTHING!
The 40" rifle was a cut down long gun that was very inaccurate; it had a progressive twist, and cutting it down removed an element essential to it being accurate.
Oswald knew a lot about guns. If you recall, he spent a great deal of time reading Adrian Alba's gun magazines.
Therefore, he would have known that the 36"  " true carbine" was a very accurate gun, and the 40" rifle was not an appropriate "substitution.
Do you know the difference between a "true 36" carbine Carcano and a cut down 40" long gun?

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Re: Is Jim DiEugenio correct about Oswalds rifle?
« Reply #52 on: September 29, 2020, 04:15:26 PM »
The 40" rifle was a cut down long gun that was very inaccurate; it had a progressive twist, and cutting it down removed an element essential to it being accurate.
Oswald knew a lot about guns. If you recall, he spent a great deal of time reading Adrian Alba's gun magazines.
Therefore, he would have known that the 36"  " true carbine" was a very accurate gun, and the 40" rifle was not an appropriate "substitution.
Do you know the difference between a "true 36" carbine Carcano and a cut down 40" long gun?

The 40" rifle was a cut down long gun that was very inaccurate; it had a progressive twist, and cutting it down removed an element essential to it being accurate.

This is utter nonsense.....The model 91/38 Carcano short rifle was NOT merely a "cut down long gun" ( model 91).   The Model 91 / 38 did employ the same basic action as the model 91, but the barrel did not have the gain twist rifling that was used in the long rifle. 

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Re: Is Jim DiEugenio correct about Oswalds rifle?
« Reply #52 on: September 29, 2020, 04:15:26 PM »


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Re: Is Jim DiEugenio correct about Oswalds rifle?
« Reply #53 on: September 30, 2020, 04:12:05 AM »
The 40" rifle was a cut down long gun that was very inaccurate; it had a progressive twist, and cutting it down removed an element essential to it being accurate.

This is utter nonsense.....The model 91/38 Carcano short rifle was NOT merely a "cut down long gun" ( model 91).   The Model 91 / 38 did employ the same basic action as the model 91, but the barrel did not have the gain twist rifling that was used in the long rifle.
Excuse my error; the 36" long gun,the one allegedly ordered, was the cut down, progressive twist long gun that was very inaccurate. The 40" long gun, the true carbine was the superior weapon.
My mistake on confusing the two.
Only an idiot would order the 36" long gun; Oswald knew guns. Just ask Adrian Alba - the Minuteman; I'm sure you knew about that - about Oswald's gun questions and gun magazine reading habits.
Or look up Robert Mckeown - gun runner for Prio and Castro - about Oswald dropping by to talk about guns and gun purchases.
Do you also think he chose these men by chance or luck?
Oswald - in a Zelig like fashion - immersed himself into just about every political and governmental body in the western world. No wonder everyone ran for cover, and gladly went with the lone nut idea.
Here's the folks who were all associated with Oswald:
Minutemen
Pro Castro Cubans in U.S., and Fair Play for Cuba
Cuban embassy in Mexico City.
Russian embassy in Mexico City.
FBI. Hosty burned notes from Oswald.
CIA , including "Lee Henry (sic) " Oswald file, and coverup of Mexico City activities, including telephonic impersonation of Oswald.
Anti Castro Cuban/Americans, including the New Orleans charade.
General Walker, right wing nutjob.

These are all facts.


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Re: Is Jim DiEugenio correct about Oswalds rifle?
« Reply #54 on: September 30, 2020, 05:09:35 PM »
Excuse my error; the 36" long gun,the one allegedly ordered, was the cut down, progressive twist long gun that was very inaccurate. The 40" long gun, the true carbine was the superior weapon.
My mistake on confusing the two.
Only an idiot would order the 36" long gun; Oswald knew guns. Just ask Adrian Alba - the Minuteman; I'm sure you knew about that - about Oswald's gun questions and gun magazine reading habits.
Or look up Robert Mckeown - gun runner for Prio and Castro - about Oswald dropping by to talk about guns and gun purchases.
Do you also think he chose these men by chance or luck?
Oswald - in a Zelig like fashion - immersed himself into just about every political and governmental body in the western world. No wonder everyone ran for cover, and gladly went with the lone nut idea.
Here's the folks who were all associated with Oswald:
Minutemen
Pro Castro Cubans in U.S., and Fair Play for Cuba
Cuban embassy in Mexico City.
Russian embassy in Mexico City.
FBI. Hosty burned notes from Oswald.
CIA , including "Lee Henry (sic) " Oswald file, and coverup of Mexico City activities, including telephonic impersonation of Oswald.
Anti Castro Cuban/Americans, including the New Orleans charade.
General Walker, right wing nutjob.

These are all facts.

look up Robert Mckeown - gun runner for Prio and Castro - about Oswald dropping by to talk about guns and gun purchases.
Do you also think he chose these men by chance or luck?


Lee's mission was to find out who was arming, financing and training the Cubans who were  conducting the raids on Cuba.

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Re: Is Jim DiEugenio correct about Oswalds rifle?
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Is Jim DiEugenio correct about Oswalds rifle?
« Reply #55 on: September 30, 2020, 08:51:07 PM »
No, because the Brandenburg Gate is quite tall, at least 100 feet above the ground. Oswald's gravesite is at ground level, hence the need to kneel and take a close up photo that includes the individual pictured and for Oswald's name on the grave site to be visible.

LOL

Somebody else had the camera. Iacoletti was the one taking the knee.
The act of anyone other than family kneeling at Oswald's grave speaks volumes.



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