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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2018, 12:24:31 PM »
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My take is that mention of a brief power cut at some point stimulated imaginations.

Hine - comment regarding lack of phone activity was taken to mean power cut - this was just around time of shooting -no cut

Truly and Baker - a minute or so after - Truly calls for elevators - no response as both most likely have gates open on 5th floor - no power cut - see next

Truly gets to 5th floor and no west elevator - still power at 3-4 minutes

Sawyer - about 4 minutes he goes up passenger elevator at front of TSBD - stays a few minutes and returns down to entrance

Just after this Mooney and Adams likely report same brief event - short loss of power

I think the power may have been cut briefly following the entry of the fire brigade. This is just a proposal as I don?t have that timing in front of me.

No one in their right mind would take the elevators for speed. They were slower than the stairs. The east elevator however did have the advantage of being totally controllable by the operator.

I think the power may have been cut briefly following the entry of the fire brigade.

I don't believe the firemen ever entered the building......   I believe the fire department's trucks arrived after 1:00 pm.....

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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2018, 04:57:36 PM »
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This doesn't even make any sense.  Do you think that all the people who would make a business call to the Texas School Book Depository would be people in Dallas?

The only one who ever invokes these "fantasy conspirators" is you.  I'm pointing out that multiple people reported that there was a power outage, that's all.  You claimed that there is no credible evidence of it.  But when you say "credible" you mean agrees with your subjective opinion.

Whew.  I'm not saying her explanation for no incoming phone calls has to be correct.  It certainly could be but we don't have to resolve why there were no incoming calls.  Pay attention for once.  The point is that she is referring to the "lights" on the phone being out because there are no incoming calls.  Not the power.  Right or wrong she attributes this to the motorcade approaching (people are outside watching the motorcade).  She is explaining why she could step away from the phones (no calls) to look out the window. 

If you believe this alleged power outage has nothing to do with a conspiracy and is just some type of coincidence, then you are at odds with your fellow nuts who clearly are claiming this proves a conspiracy. That is the entire point of the OP.  I was addressing them when you interjected yourself into this discussion.  Who are these multiple witnesses who claim there was a power outage?  Hine is no such witness.  Baker and Truly took the elevator just a couple of minutes after the assassination.  The power is on to the Hertz sign at 12:30.  There are films of the lights on in the TSBD.   The power outage is simply a CTer fantasy. It didn't happen.


Mr. BELIN - All right. After going up the stairways, do you know what numbered floor it was---I will ask you this, did you take the stairway all the way to the top?
 Mr. BAKER - No, sir; we caught that elevator, it seemed like we went up either one or two floors, and Mr. Truly said "Let's take the elevator, here it is."

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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2018, 05:20:21 PM »
If there were a power outage at the TSBD immediately following the Kill Shot, & Truly and Officer Baker were inside the TSBD 1+ minute following the Kill Shot: (1) they would have been attempting to traverse the stairwell amidst Pitch Black, and (2) confronting Oswald in a Pitch Black Breakroom.  Both the Stairwell and the Breakroom have No Window(s) to provide lighting from the sun outside. 

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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2018, 05:32:18 PM »
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         If there were a power outage at the TSBD immediately following the Kill Shot, & Truly and Officer Baker were inside the TSBD 1+ minute following the Kill Shot: (1) they would have been attempting to traverse the stairwell amidst Pitch Black, and (2) confronting Oswald in a Pitch Black Breakroom.  Both the Stairwell and the Breakroom have No Window(s) to provide lighting from the sun outside.

Sawyer takes the front elevator up and down just a few minutes after the assassination.  I believe Bugliosi puts his first trip up at 12:36.  That elevator is functioning fine.  Baker and Truly are taking another elevator from the 5th to 7th floor at about the same time.  So there is confirmation that the elevators are working.  The Hertz sign is on at 12:30.  There are various films and photos that show lights on in the building.  No power outage.

 

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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2018, 05:43:44 PM »
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My take is that mention of a brief power cut at some point stimulated imaginations.

Hine - comment regarding lack of phone activity was taken to mean power cut - this was just around time of shooting -no cut

Truly and Baker - a minute or so after - Truly calls for elevators - no response as both most likely have gates open on 5th floor - no power cut - see next

Truly gets to 5th floor and no west elevator - still power at 3-4 minutes

Sawyer - about 4 minutes he goes up passenger elevator at front of TSBD - stays a few minutes and returns down to entrance

Just after this Mooney and Adams likely report same brief event - short loss of power

I think the power may have been cut briefly following the entry of the fire brigade. This is just a proposal as I don?t have that timing in front of me.

No one in their right mind would take the elevators for speed. They were slower than the stairs. The east elevator however did have the advantage of being totally controllable by the operator.

I agree with most of this.  But why would the fire department cut the power?
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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2018, 05:55:04 PM »
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Sawyer takes the front elevator up and down just a few minutes after the assassination.  I believe Bugliosi puts his first trip up at 12:36.  That elevator is functioning fine.  Baker and Truly are taking another elevator from the 5th to 7th floor at about the same time.  So there is confirmation that the elevators are working.  The Hertz sign is on at 12:30.  There are various films and photos that show lights on in the building.  No power outage.

I have No faith in the Hertz Sign. Photo(s) can be doctored and from that point the Mandella Effect takes over. This has happened repeatedly in this case whether it be an intentional act or Old Guard Researchers endlessly/erroneously repeating hearsay. The Mis ID of assassination eyewitness Mumford being a case on point. If you believe that Truly and Baker were going Up that TSBD stairwell roughly 1+ minute following the Kill Shot, then you would then have to also believe they were doing so in Pitch Black if there were a power outage at the TSBD. I believe that either/both of these individuals would have mentioned having to navigate through the dark while in pursuit of a possible shooter. Officer Baker did have his gun drawn as he and Truly went Up the stairwell. This verifies his apprehension regarding the situation he was actively involved in.   

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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2018, 06:11:37 PM »
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      I have No faith in the Hertz Sign. Photo(s) can be doctored and from that point the Mandella Effect takes over. This has happened repeatedly in this case whether it be an intentional act or Old Guard Researchers endlessly/erroneously repeating hearsay. The Mis ID of assassination eyewitness Mumford being a case on point. If you believe that Truly and Baker were going Up that TSBD stairwell roughly 1+ minute following the Kill Shot, then you would then have to also believe they were doing so in Pitch Black if there were a power outage at the TSBD. I believe that either/both of these individuals would have mentioned having to navigate through the dark while in pursuit of a possible shooter. Officer Baker did have his gun drawn as he and Truly went Up the stairwell. This verifies his apprehension regarding the situation he was actively involved in.

So you believe the conspirators doctored a photo clearly showing the Hertz sign functional at 12:30?  Is there no limit to their power (no pun intended)?  I can't exactly follow your point on Baker.  Are you claiming he had his gun drawn because it was dark on the stairs due to a power outage and not because he had heard shots fired from within the building and was in pursuit of an active shooter?  Or are you claiming because neither Baker nor Truly mentioned that it was dark that this means the power was on?

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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2018, 07:57:33 PM »
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So you believe the conspirators doctored a photo clearly showing the Hertz sign functional at 12:30?  Is there no limit to their power (no pun intended)?  I can't exactly follow your point on Baker.  Are you claiming he had his gun drawn because it was dark on the stairs due to a power outage and not because he had heard shots fired from within the building and was in pursuit of an active shooter?  Or are you claiming because neither Baker nor Truly mentioned that it was dark that this means the power was on?

Point is, if the power had been out and Officer Baker knew he was chasing a killer/shooter, (which he did because he had his gun out), there is No Way he enters into and attempts to navigate his way through a Pitch Black stairwell he has Never been inside previously.
Yeah, either/both would have mentioned this alleged Black Out situation when they told the WC their story.
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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2018, 08:08:04 PM »
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Because armed Policemen are afraid of the dark?

There is a difference between Dark and Pitch Black. Plus, Officer Baker is completely unfamiliar with the building/stairwell. Cops are smart. Nobody wins if you place yourself in a situation like that. You or a completely innocent person, (Styles/Adams), could get shot.  Do Not use the Pitch Black Stairwells until flashlights/temp lighting of some kind is supplied.

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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2018, 01:10:53 PM »
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So you believe the conspirators doctored a photo clearly showing the Hertz sign functional at 12:30?  Is there no limit to their power (no pun intended)?  I can't exactly follow your point on Baker.  Are you claiming he had his gun drawn because it was dark on the stairs due to a power outage and not because he had heard shots fired from within the building and was in pursuit of an active shooter?  Or are you claiming because neither Baker nor Truly mentioned that it was dark that this means the power was on?

So you believe the conspirators doctored a photo clearly showing the Hertz sign functional at 12:30?


Duh!....The Hertz sign WAS running on time because it did NOT run on AC.....    The sign was operated from a battery bank that was kept charged by a battery charger that as operated by the AC.

If the clock had been operating on AC it would have been susceptible to power failures and would require frequent adjustments due to  frequency drift.     The DC power supplied by the battery bank was a constant steady supply of  unwavering power.

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