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Offline Paul May

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #490 on: July 22, 2020, 12:26:11 AM »
  Why do you believe last year China had such a Horrible Economic year? Trump knew what he was doing with his tariffs driving the prices of China products UP resulting in their sales being Down. This placed China at the bargaining table in a very compromised position.

GDP grew 6.1% China, 2019. America 2.3%. You lie AGAIN. And AGAIN. And AGAIN.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #491 on: July 22, 2020, 01:56:41 AM »
Trump's disdain regarding Foreign Trade Partners has Never been restricted to China. Many HATERS around here have forgotten about Trump railing during the 2016 Campaign regarding NAFTA/MEXICO. Trump's canceling of the NAFTA SHAFTA led to the current agreement along with the cooperation of Mexico's current Pres to place Their forces on the USA/Mexico border in order to restore order there. Trump put the screws to China which led to the current China Agreement Phase. China was brought to their knees after suffering there Worst economic year outta the last 65 years. This USA economic dominance has also been leveraged by Trump to dominate these same countries militarily. Foreign Trade/Policy is a Landslide Winning Issue for Trump 2020.

"NOBODY", Repeat "NOBODY" pays 18% Extra $$, or any Extra $$  for a Chinese Made Product if they BUY AMERICAN made products.


Why do you believe last year China had such a Horrible Economic year? Trump knew what he was doing with his tariffs driving the prices of China products UP resulting in their sales being Down. This placed China at the bargaining table in a very compromised position.


This forum really needs to make sure credible information is being posted instead of blatant disinformation and propaganda like Royell posts each day. This is ridiculous and gives the forum a bad name.

Donald Trump was played by China and his bogus tariffs crushed farmers all across America and gave the United States a recession. Manufacturing went into a recession last September and we entered into a recession in February due to his failed trade deals and disastrous foreign policy.     

American consumers paid more for goods made in China and that is a fact. Due to the bogus tariffs, the economy and GDP slowed and no "screws were put to China". China told Donald Trump to go to hell and they did business with other countries instead. The tariffs did nothing except screw the United States.The US under Donald Trump is not looked up to as a strong nation. We are regarded as weak and other countries have taken the lead.

Donald Trump's NAFTA is a joke. Changed a few lines in the language and pretended he came up with something new. Just a ploy for the right wing sheep so they think he did something.       

Donald Trump was begging China to make a trade deal so he could claim he did something for the election. He is a weak man.

Donald Trump refused to hold China accountable for COVID-19 and "took them at their word" in January, February, March because he thought he was going to get a favorable trade deal. Donald Trump got played again and as a result 145K dead Americans, 4 million infected, and 51 million are unemployed. Donald Trump is losing in a landslide and Royell is delusional as usual parroting right wing propaganda lies.         

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #492 on: July 22, 2020, 02:05:37 AM »
Strange seeing some on this Forum questioning the "mental fitness" of Trump, and then GO OFF Branding/Shunning Trump Supporters as being Racists, Homophobes, Zenowhatevers, etc. One of You last night went off like a Volcano saying You wanted to SPIT on Me. And YOU want to question Trump's "Mental fitness"?  Get a Mirror!

Trump is in serious cognitive decline. We see it everyday where he slurs words, is confused, he is feeble, his voice is weak, can't walk, uses 2 hands to drink water, out of breath when speaking, sweats profusely,  is forgetful, and we see his poor health just by looking at his face in pictures. Top Medical experts say Trump is mentally unfit to be President. What is your point of this rant trying to play the victim?       

Trump's deplorable cult are racists. Trump is endorsed by the Klan, neo Nazi's, white supremacists and nationalists. What's your point?   

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #493 on: July 22, 2020, 02:29:51 AM »


145K dead Americans, 4 million infected, and 51 million are unemployed.       

Christ, it is even worse than I thought  :(

Our Health Department just released a statement saying COVID-19 cases are on the rise again after His Majesty's Government turned back some of the lockdown and social distancing regulations. There is talk of a vaccine but it hasn't been tested yet I think.

I hope y'all stay safe, LN & CT alike. Keep your distance, wear a mask, wash your hands often. 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #494 on: July 22, 2020, 02:34:32 AM »
Trump vs. Biden: What two key polls tell us about the presidential race

Reliable surveys show Biden with steady lead

By Stuart Rothenberg
Posted July 21, 2020 at 12:22pm

ANALYSIS | Like other political analysts, I look at most national (and state) polls.

There are a few national surveys I don’t watch — Rasmussen and The Hill/HarrisX, for example — but I will look at the toplines and often the crosstabs of most other surveys. Some surveys get my full attention.

There are a lot of professionally done polls out there, but over the years, I haven’t been hesitant to offer particularly kind words about the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll and the Fox News poll. They tend not to jump around wildly, which is fine with me since, barring a dramatic event, I don’t think public opinion jumps around wildly.

Anyway, I thought I’d focus on the top-lines of just those two polls to see what they might say about the presidential contest. My goal is to test the title of the July 20 edition of The Washington Post’s “The Daily 202” — “Biden’s lead is tighter than it seems.”

“The presidential campaign remains closer than top-line polling numbers suggest,” begins the piece.

There have been six Fox News polls and five NBC News/Wall Street Journal surveys since late February, before COVID-19 grabbed all our attention. Here are the dates and the margins in the Joe Biden vs. Donald Trump ballot tests among registered voters:

Fox News polls
July 12-15            Biden +8
June 13-16            Biden +12
May 17-20            Biden +8
April 4-7                Tied
March 21-24         Biden +9
February 23-26    Biden +8
NBC News/Wall Street Journal
July 9-12              Biden +11
May 28-June 2    Biden +7
April 13-15          Biden +7
March 11-13        Biden +9
February 14-17    Biden +8

First, one poll jumps out. The April 4-7 Fox News poll found the presidential race even, with both candidates getting 42 percent of the vote.

No other survey conducted around the same time showed the same movement or change in the race. Quinnipiac University (April 2-6) found Biden ahead by 8 points, while CNN (April 3-6) had the margin at 11. Monmouth University (April 3-7) had Biden ahead by 4 points, not much different than the 3-point lead it gave him in March.

What’s with that Fox News poll? The answer is pretty simple. The Fox early April survey was a clunker. Throw it out. It’s no big deal. It doesn’t undermine the credibility of other Fox News polls.

Every pollster has had a poll outside the margin of error, which is why professional political analysts warn about overly hyping one poll. As long as we treat the April Fox survey as a clunker and don’t draw conclusions from it, we can move on.

The other five Fox News and five NBC News/Wall Street Journal polls tell an interesting story.

First, the race seems very stable. Voters aren’t surging to one candidate and then back to the other.

Fox had an uptick in the margin in June and NBC News/Wall Street Journal had one in its most recent poll. But these movements are well within the normal “noise” of a campaign, and it is possible that the June Fox News survey and the July NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll reflect a worsening position for Trump.

Second, the presidential contest has been and still looks to be in the 7 to 10-point range — three, four or possibly even five times larger than the 2.1-point margin Hillary Clinton had in winning the popular vote almost four years ago.

Recent ABC News/Washington Post and Quinnipiac surveys of registered voters found the presidential contest had blown open, with Biden leading Trump by 15 points. But both of those surveys are at the upper end of the range of recent polls. Count me as skeptical that they offer the best picture of where the race now stands.

The RealClearPolitics average as of July 15 polls found Biden leading by 8.6 points — exactly in the middle of the 7- to 10-point range that the NBC News/Wall Street Journal and Fox News surveys suggested.

None of this tells us anything about the electoral votes, except for the fact that it is unlikely — very unlikely — that a candidate could lose the popular vote by eight points and still win 270 electoral votes.

It is a good reminder, however, that if you are going to believe every number that you see, including that Biden is leading by 15 points, then maybe you need a warning by the always insightful Daily 202 writer James Hohmann that the presidential race is “closer than top-line polling numbers suggest.”

But if you keep your eye on the best polls and on the averages, you won’t need to be warned that the race is not already over.

You’ll know that Biden’s 7- to 10-point advantage is both remarkably stable over the long haul and nothing to be sneezed at. And you’ll also be waiting for the next round of surveys to look for clues about the future.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #495 on: July 22, 2020, 02:38:19 AM »
  Without slogging through the GDP Impact of China devaluing their currency numerous times, Over HALF of Walmart Gross Sales are GROCERY. Walmart is NOT Importing Grocery Product from China = those buying groceries at Walmart are NOT Paying the Trump 18% China Import Tax. Stop with your misleading  BS:

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #496 on: July 22, 2020, 02:44:28 AM »

  The absolutely, without a doubt, it's a Lock, Best Survey = an EXIT SURVEY. Of course, Most of us KNOW the 2016 POTUS Election EXIT SURVEYS were way, way, way, off base. If these same sources are incapable of getting an EXIT SURVEY Correct, why should Anyone believe Any Survey they proffer Prior to an Election?

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #497 on: July 22, 2020, 02:50:16 AM »
  The absolutely, without a doubt, it's a Lock, Best Survey = an EXIT SURVEY. Of course, Most of us KNOW the 2016 POTUS Election EXIT SURVEYS were way, way, way, off base. If these same sources are incapable of getting an EXIT SURVEY Correct, why should Anyone believe Any Survey they proffer Prior to an Election?

Roflmao. You STILL don’t understand polling. ASTOUNDING.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #498 on: July 22, 2020, 03:08:26 AM »
  Without slogging through the GDP Impact of China devaluing their currency numerous times, Over HALF of Walmart Gross Sales are GROCERY. Walmart is NOT Importing Grocery Product from China = those buying groceries at Walmart are NOT Paying the Trump 18% China Import Tax. Stop with your misleading  BS:

Groceries? groceries? Wal-mart BUYS 70-80% of their MERCHANDISE from China. Costco, Target, same. The lunatic in the WH has bought 8 tons of China produced merchandise for his business interests in America the past 10 months while telling Americans “buy American”. You don’t comment on that criminality. You should be deported. You’re a disgrace to America, no different than YOUR moron in D.C. You lie EVERYDAY with the same ease.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #499 on: July 22, 2020, 03:19:53 AM »
  The  ranting and raving being displayed is a prime example of "Trump Derangement Syndrome". Forgive him for he knows Not what he does.
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