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Offline Paul May

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #280 on: July 19, 2020, 05:24:30 PM »
This is what dementia does.


Trump on Falsely Claiming Coronavirus Pandemic Will ‘Disappear’: ‘I’ll Be Right Eventually’

Ken Meyer

President Donald Trump used part of his heated interview with Fox News’ Chris Wallace to defend his claim that the coronavirus pandemic will eventually vanish.

Throughout the health crisis, Trump repeatedly downplayed the disease and claimed the virus would “go away” as the American death toll continued to rise. When Fox released their interview with Trump on Sunday, Wallace asked the president if he agrees with CDC director Robert Redfield’s assessment that Autumn and Winter will be a difficult time for national public health.

“Do you agree with Dr. Redfield?” Wallace asked.

“I don’t know and I don’t think he knows,” Trump answered. “I don’t think anybody knows with this. This is a very tricky deal. Everybody thought this summer it would go away and it would come back in the fall. Well, when the summer came, they used to say the heat — the heat was good for it and it really knocks it out, remember? And then it might come back in the fall. So they got that one wrong.”

From there, Wallace proceed to ask Trump “Why on Earth would your administration be involved in a campaign at this point to discredit Dr. Fauci, who is the nation’s top infectious disease expert.”

“Because we’re not,” Trump claimed, (even though he trashed Fauci in recent weeks). “If one man from my administration doesn’t like him because he made a few mistakes — Look, Dr. Fauci said, ‘Don’t wear a mask.’ Dr. Fauci told me not to ban China, it would be a big mistake. I did it over and above his recommendation…Dr. Fauci’s made some mistakes. But I have a very good — I spoke to him yesterday at length. I have a very good relationship with Dr. Fauci.”

As Wallace pressed on, Trump called Fauci “a little bit of an alarmist,” claimed their relationship is fine, and continued to brag he was right and Fauci was wrong.

“But you made mistakes, too,” Wallace countered, bringing up numerous times Trump incorrectly claimed the virus would “disappear.”

“I’ll be right eventually,” Trump responded. “I’ll say it again, it’s going to disappear, and I’ll be right.”

“But does that discredit you?

“I don’t think so,” Trump said. “You know why? Because I’ve been right probably more than anybody else.”

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #281 on: July 19, 2020, 05:28:16 PM »

  Trump's "Law & Order" vs Fuzzy Joe's "Defund The Police". Just watch the reaction of the Dem Hitter as he "Buckets".

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #282 on: July 19, 2020, 05:32:54 PM »
  Semantics. "Divert" = Defund. Once again, "judge a pitcher by the Reaction of the Hitter". The Dem's finally figured out the Overwhelming VOTING Majority of Americans want Nothing to do with cutting the $$$ that goes to funding the cops. Hence, the Dem's running away from Initially calling for: (1) "ABOLISH" the Police, to (2) "DEFUND" The Police, and NOW Fuzzy Joe's (3) "DIVERT" $$$ from the Police. This is a Semantics Game the Dem's play while having their wet finger in the wind of public opinion.  In the meantime, Trump does what he says. He is cleaning up the absolute Mayhem that has been going on in Portland for close to 2 months running. Ma & Pa Kettles across this country are encouraging him to continuing doing this while having their Biscuits & Gravy at the kitchen table.

Hence, the Dem's running away from Initially calling for: (1) "ABOLISH" the Police, to (2) "DEFUND" The Police, and NOW Fuzzy Joe's (3) "DIVERT" $$$ from the Police.

When you have to lie to "win", you've already lost!

Stop lying. The Democrats never called for abolishing or defunding the police. All this BS is nothing more than Republican scaremongering.

In the meantime, Trump does what he says.

So gullible. Would you be interested in buying some beachfront property in Oklahoma?

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #283 on: July 19, 2020, 05:35:03 PM »
  Trump's "Law & Order" vs Fuzzy Joe's "Defund The Police". Just watch the reaction of the Dem Hitter as he "Buckets".

Trump's "Law & Order"

We've seen more than enough of Trumps Nazism, thank you.....

« Last Edit: July 19, 2020, 05:37:35 PM by Martin Weidmann »

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #284 on: July 19, 2020, 05:35:51 PM »
Donald Trump has unified America – against him | Robert Reich

Donald Trump is on the verge of accomplishing what no American president has ever achieved – a truly multi-racial, multi-class, bipartisan political coalition so encompassing it could realign US politics for years to come.

Unfortunately for Trump, that coalition has come into existence to prevent him from having another term in office.

Start with race. Rather than fuel his base, Trump’s hostility toward people protesting the police killing of George Floyd and systemic racism has pulled millions of white Americans closer to black Americans. More than half of whites now say they agree with the ideas expressed by the Black Lives Matter movement, and more white people support than oppose protests against police brutality. To a remarkable degree, the protests themselves have been biracial.

As John Lewis, the great civil rights hero who died on Friday, said last month near where Trump and William Barr, the attorney general, had set federal police in riot gear and wielding tear gas on peaceful protesters, “Mr President, the American people … have a right to protest. You cannot stop the people with all of the forces that you may have at your command.”

Even many former Trump voters are appalled by Trump’s racism, as well as his overall moral squalor

Even many former Trump voters are appalled by Trump’s racism, as well as his overall moral squalor. According to a recent New York Times/Sienna College poll, more than 80% of people who voted for Trump in 2016 but won’t back him again in 2020 think he “doesn’t behave the way a president ought to act” – a view shared by 75% of registered voters across battleground states which will make all the difference in November.

A second big unifier has been Trump’s attacks on our system of government. Americans don’t particularly like or trust government but almost all feel some loyalty toward the constitution and the principle that no person is above the law.

Trump’s politicization of the justice department, attacks on the rule of law, requests to other nations to help dig up dirt on his political opponents, and evident love of dictators – especially Vladimir Putin – have played badly even among diehard conservatives.

Refugees from the pre-Trump GOP along with “Never Trumper” Republicans who rejected him from the start are teaming up with groups such as Republican Voters Against Trump, Republicans for the Rule of Law, the Lincoln Project and 43 Alumni for Biden, which comprises former officials of George W Bush’s (the 43rd president) administration. The Lincoln Project has produced dozens of hard-hitting anti-Trump ads, many running on Fox News.

The third big unifier has been Trump’s catastrophic mishandling of the pandemic. Many who might have forgiven his personality defects and authoritarian impulses can’t abide his bungling of a public health crisis that threatens their lives and loved ones.

In a poll released last week, 62% said Trump was “hurting rather than helping” efforts to combat Covid-19. Fully 78% of those who supported him in 2016 but won’t vote for him again disapprove of his handling of the pandemic. Voters in swing states like Texas, Florida and Arizona – now feeling the brunt of the virus – are telling pollsters they won’t vote for Trump.

Although the reasons for joining the anti-Trump coalition have little to do with Joe Biden, Trump’s presumed challenger, the Democrat may still become a transformational president. That’s less because of his inherent skills than because Trump has readied America for transformation.

Related: Trump's Fox News Sunday interview will include Biden battleground ads

The tempting analogy is to the election of 1932, in the midst of another set of crises. The public barely knew Franklin D Roosevelt, whom critics called an aristocrat without a coherent theory of how to end the Great Depression. But after four years of Herbert Hoover, America was so desperate for coherent leadership it was eager to support FDR and follow wherever he led.

There are still more than 100 days until election day, and many things could derail the emerging anti-Trump coalition: impediments to voting during the pandemic, foreign hacking into election machines, Republican efforts to suppress votes, quirks of the electoral college, Trumpian dirty tricks and his likely challenge to any electoral loss.

Yet even now, the breadth of the anti-Trump coalition is a remarkable testament to Donald Trump’s capacity to inspire disgust.

Robert Reich, a former US secretary of labor, is professor of public policy at the University of California at Berkeley and the author of Saving Capitalism: For the Many, Not the Few and The Common Good.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #285 on: July 19, 2020, 05:46:36 PM »
Storing? Get on a plane. Somebody needs your counsel! ::)

New polls show Joe Biden is winning suburbanites by a historic margin

Harry Enten

The new ABC News/Washington Post poll is the latest to show former Vice President Joe Biden on a roll.

He leads President Donald Trump 55% to 40% among registered voters. (It's a slightly tighter 54% to 44% among likely voters). The poll comes on top of other surveys last week from Fox News, NBC News/Wall Street Journal and Quinnipiac University giving Biden anywhere from an 8 to 15 point advantage.

Biden's advantage in the polls is most evident in the suburbs, where he is earning a historic amount of support for a Democrat.

Biden is up by a 52% to 43% margin among suburban voters in the ABC News/Washington Post poll.

Other polls in the last month show Biden in as good or even better position among suburban voters. The latest Fox News poll has Biden with 49% to 38% lead. Quinnipiac University poll puts Biden ahead by a 56% to 34% margin with suburbanites. The NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist Poll has Biden beating Trump 60% to 35% among suburban voters.

Our early June CNN poll had Biden with a 14-point lead in the suburbs.

In the average of all the polls, Biden's ahead by more than 15 points with suburban voters. This is a historic margin, if it holds.

The fact that Biden is doing so well in the suburbs shouldn't be a surprise. The suburbs are a bellwether vote of sorts in our current political environment. That is, the suburban vote mirrors the national vote closer than the urban or rural vote.

Biden's lead in the suburbs is reflective of him doing significantly better than Hillary Clinton. Four years ago at this time, Trump was beating Clinton by a 45% to 35% margin in the ABC/Washington Post poll among suburban voters.

In other words, we're looking at nearly a 20-point improvement for Biden versus where Clinton was at this point in the 2016 campaign.

A look across the final polls and post-election polls from four years ago shows anything from a small Clinton advantage (e.g. 5 points in the final Fox News poll) to a small Trump advantage (e.g. 4 points in the exit poll).

If you were to go back over time, the exit poll data reveals that no Democrat has won the suburban vote by more than 5 points since at least 1972, when the first exit poll was taken in a presidential election.

(I should note that different pollsters define "suburb" differently. Some use a Zip Code definition and others just ask, for example. Still, by none of the commonly used definitions, has a Democrat done as well as Biden is currently doing in them since at least 1972.)

Winning Democratic candidates do tend to carry the suburbs, though none by as much as any of the polls currently have Biden ahead in them. Back in 2008 (the best year for Democrats this century), Obama won in the suburbs by 2 points in the exit polls. The final ABC News/Washington Post poll had him winning in the suburbs by 5 points.

Lyndon Johnson in 1964 was maybe the only Democrat in the last 70 years who probably won by double-digits in the suburbs. He won overall by 23 points that year. Although no exit poll data is available from that year, the American National Election Studies shows he did about 10 points worse in the suburbs than he did nationally.

The clear difference between the 1964 and 2020 elections is that Biden, at this point, is running ahead of his national numbers in the suburbs. Biden's lead overall in the polls with a suburban crosstab averages out to be about 13 points.

You can see this dynamic play out in a state like Pennsylvania. In the latest Monmouth University poll, Biden leads 53% to 40% overall among registered voters. He scores a 54% to 35% margin in the swing areas from the Philadelphia suburbs to northeast Pennsylvania. Clinton won those counties by a mere point four years ago, as she lost the state by 1 point.

Indeed, the suburbs have been a problem for Trump and the Republicans during the Trump presidency. It was the suburbs that delivered the Democrats their House majority in 2018. They picked up the vast majority of their net 40-seat gain in the suburbs.

Looking at the polling right now, it would seem the suburbs may be doing Republicans in again. Unless Trump turns it around in the suburbs, he could be heading towards being a one-term president.


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #286 on: July 19, 2020, 06:12:20 PM »
Storing? Get on a plane. Somebody needs your counsel! ::)

New polls show Joe Biden is winning suburbanites by a historic margin

Harry Enten

The new ABC News/Washington Post poll is the latest to show former Vice President Joe Biden on a roll.

He leads President Donald Trump 55% to 40% among registered voters. (It's a slightly tighter 54% to 44% among likely voters). The poll comes on top of other surveys last week from Fox News, NBC News/Wall Street Journal and Quinnipiac University giving Biden anywhere from an 8 to 15 point advantage.

Biden's advantage in the polls is most evident in the suburbs, where he is earning a historic amount of support for a Democrat.

Biden is up by a 52% to 43% margin among suburban voters in the ABC News/Washington Post poll.

Other polls in the last month show Biden in as good or even better position among suburban voters. The latest Fox News poll has Biden with 49% to 38% lead. Quinnipiac University poll puts Biden ahead by a 56% to 34% margin with suburbanites. The NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist Poll has Biden beating Trump 60% to 35% among suburban voters.

Our early June CNN poll had Biden with a 14-point lead in the suburbs.

In the average of all the polls, Biden's ahead by more than 15 points with suburban voters. This is a historic margin, if it holds.

The fact that Biden is doing so well in the suburbs shouldn't be a surprise. The suburbs are a bellwether vote of sorts in our current political environment. That is, the suburban vote mirrors the national vote closer than the urban or rural vote.

Biden's lead in the suburbs is reflective of him doing significantly better than Hillary Clinton. Four years ago at this time, Trump was beating Clinton by a 45% to 35% margin in the ABC/Washington Post poll among suburban voters.

In other words, we're looking at nearly a 20-point improvement for Biden versus where Clinton was at this point in the 2016 campaign.

A look across the final polls and post-election polls from four years ago shows anything from a small Clinton advantage (e.g. 5 points in the final Fox News poll) to a small Trump advantage (e.g. 4 points in the exit poll).

If you were to go back over time, the exit poll data reveals that no Democrat has won the suburban vote by more than 5 points since at least 1972, when the first exit poll was taken in a presidential election.

(I should note that different pollsters define "suburb" differently. Some use a Zip Code definition and others just ask, for example. Still, by none of the commonly used definitions, has a Democrat done as well as Biden is currently doing in them since at least 1972.)

Winning Democratic candidates do tend to carry the suburbs, though none by as much as any of the polls currently have Biden ahead in them. Back in 2008 (the best year for Democrats this century), Obama won in the suburbs by 2 points in the exit polls. The final ABC News/Washington Post poll had him winning in the suburbs by 5 points.

Lyndon Johnson in 1964 was maybe the only Democrat in the last 70 years who probably won by double-digits in the suburbs. He won overall by 23 points that year. Although no exit poll data is available from that year, the American National Election Studies shows he did about 10 points worse in the suburbs than he did nationally.

The clear difference between the 1964 and 2020 elections is that Biden, at this point, is running ahead of his national numbers in the suburbs. Biden's lead overall in the polls with a suburban crosstab averages out to be about 13 points.

You can see this dynamic play out in a state like Pennsylvania. In the latest Monmouth University poll, Biden leads 53% to 40% overall among registered voters. He scores a 54% to 35% margin in the swing areas from the Philadelphia suburbs to northeast Pennsylvania. Clinton won those counties by a mere point four years ago, as she lost the state by 1 point.

Indeed, the suburbs have been a problem for Trump and the Republicans during the Trump presidency. It was the suburbs that delivered the Democrats their House majority in 2018. They picked up the vast majority of their net 40-seat gain in the suburbs.

Looking at the polling right now, it would seem the suburbs may be doing Republicans in again. Unless Trump turns it around in the suburbs, he could be heading towards being a one-term president.

I fear fascistic KGB Mafia-boy Putin has some tricks up his sleeve to keep his favorite useful idiot in power indefinitely.

--  MWT  ;)

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #287 on: July 19, 2020, 06:21:05 PM »
  What do You HATERS think was being Called For and is Now being implemented in Minn? What about the 1 BILLION $$$ DEFUNDED/DIVERTED outta the NY City Police Budget? Cut the  BS:. Ma & Pa Kettle's across this Nation KNOW what is going down no matter what gobbledegook vernacular is used in an attempt to Disguise it. Minneapolis in Ruins, NY City in Ruins, Chi Town in Ruins, DC in Ruins, Portland in Ruins, and on and on and on. And Fuzzy Joe wants to: (1) Defund/Divert Police $$$ ?  (2) ABOLISH the Internal Combustion Engine/Automobile Industry? (3) RETROFIT Every major structure in the United States? (4) DEMAND Ma & Pa Kettle Surrender their Gun(s) on their  own Front Porch? (5) Eliminate Cows/Dairy Industry? ALL of this amidst Major Cities being burned to the ground? Once again, the Ma & Pa Kettle's across America ain't gonna let this happen!

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #288 on: July 19, 2020, 06:25:42 PM »
Quote by Trump from interview with Wallace.
"Everybody thought this summer it would go away and it would come back in the fall.
Well, when the summer came, they used to say the heat — the heat was good for it and it really knocks it out, remember?
And then it might come back in the fall. So they got that one wrong.”"

"Everybody thought..."   The only one who thought  it would go, in the heat of the Summer,  was Trump himself.

So yes, They he got that one wrong. Didn't he Storing? Bet you don't answer.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2020, 06:26:55 PM by Ray Mitcham »

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #289 on: July 19, 2020, 06:27:19 PM »
  What do You HATERS think was being Called For and is Now being implemented in Minn? What about the 1 BILLION $$$ DEFUNDED/DIVERTED outta the NY City Police Budget? Cut the  BS:. Ma & Pa Kettle's across this Nation KNOW what is going down no matter what gobbledegook vernacular is used in an attempt to Disguise it. Minneapolis in Ruins, NY City in Ruins, Chi Town in Ruins, DC in Ruins, Portland in Ruins, and on and on and on. And Fuzzy Joe wants to: (1) Defund/Divert Police $$$ ?  (2) ABOLISH the Internal Combustion Engine/Automobile Industry? (3) RETROFIT Every major structure in the United States? (4) DEMAND Ma & Pa Kettle Surrender their Gun(s) on their  own Front Porch? (5) Eliminate Cows/Dairy Industry? ALL of this amidst Major Cities being burned to the ground? Once again, the Ma & Pa Kettle's across America ain't gonna let this happen!
Wow.

By the way, I'll ask again, do Black Lives Matter?

 

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