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Offline Paul May

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2020, 10:17:07 PM »
Propagandist rhetoric and once AGAIN ignoring FACTS. Is the media wrong about 135,000 dead Americans? Simple question, even for you. Yes or no will suffice.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2020, 10:21:12 PM »
WH and Fox going after Fauci as they did Mueller. It won’t work this time.

Trump has a strategy for discrediting Dr Fauci. And everyone in DC knows what will happen next
Andrew Feinberg

Five months into the global Covid-19 pandemic, and faced with a new spike in cases and deaths in states whose Republican governors heeded his demands to open their economies regardless of the risk to the public, the Trump White House is now taking aim at Dr Anthony Fauci, the country’s foremost infectious disease expert.

Fauci is a singular figure in his field who began his rise to prominence during the Reagan administration, and who has since served under multiple presidents from both political parties.

While he has been a prominent spokesperson for the government’s public health efforts since the emergence of HIV in the 1980s, Fauci has risen to an unprecedented measure of celebrity during Trump’s presidency, in part because he, too, is perceived as a non-partisan truth-teller with unshakable efforts.

His face is on socks, face masks, and even an aptly-named “Fauc on the Couch” throw pillow. And of course, there is a Fauci bobblehead for sale as well.

According to a White House official, Fauci’s newfound celebrity has long irked Trump, who prefers to be the center of attention. Further infuriating the president, the official said, is Fauci’s status as a career civil servant. Trump has long viewed career government employees with suspicion and has frequently promoted baseless conspiracy theories suggesting there is a “deep state” made up of career officials who have been working to bring down his presidency since the beginning.

In many ways, Fauci can be compared to another long-time public servant and affable septuagenarian who provoked Trump’s ire: Robert Mueller, the man tasked with conducting that infamous report about Russian involvement in the 2016 election. But unlike Mueller, who did not speak publicly during the course of his investigation, Fauci has made and continues to make frequent media appearances, though the White House has blocked him from honoring requests to appear on prominent cable news and broadcast programs.

Several sources close to the president say Fauci has inflamed Trump’s anger by contradicting his claims about the alleged success the US has had in fighting the Covid-19 pandemic under his leadership.

And by the end of last week, it all boiled over. Over the weekend, White House officials began circulating a bullet-pointed list to reporters, detailing prior statements Fauci has made about the pandemic which had been proven incorrect by subsequent developments. Fauci had once doubted the need for wearing face masks during the pandemic, for instance — although the list failed to mention that he then publicly revised his strategy when more information about the virus came to light.

The list, which was nearly identical to the opposition research talking points that are frequently circulated by political campaigns, marked a break between the White House and the federal government’s most celebrated scientist.

And one of Trump’s closest confidantes, White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Communications Daniel Scavino, went even further. On Sunday, Scavino posted to his Facebook account a cartoon by alt-right cartoonist Ben Garrison, depicting the veteran physician as an anthropomorphic “Dr Faucet,” through whom cold water is poured onto a drowning economy.


Another prominent Italian-American who has found himself on the receiving end of White House opposition research, ex-White House Communications Director-turned-Trump critic Anthony Scaramucci, said the use of such methods against Fauci was a “completely Orwellian” tactic that was most likely born out of White House aides’ need to please their boss.

“Trump has willing sycophants who will kowtow to him… but there’s no way to please him,” he said.

Scaramucci said the White House’s attempt to target Fauci is “the exact same playbook” that was used against Mueller, but warned that it would fail because while the former FBI director’s role was one that existed on the playing field of rough-and-tumble Washington politics, Fauci is “not a politician in any way or form”.

“Going after Anthony Fauci… a truth-teller in the scientific community, is like punching people in the stands,” he said.

But Tim Miller, who served as Jeb(!) Bush’s communications director during the 2016 election, expressed doubts that the Trump administration’s push to discredit Fauci was deployed as part of a coherent plan, regardless of any similarities to Trumpworld’s anti-Mueller campaign.

“I think it’s more likely that they [White House press aides] are trying to keep the boss happy,” he explained.

“Trump is a child who is jealous that Fauci is more popular than him, so rather than trying to be an adult and try to figure out how to work together to get to the best result of the country, he's going to only playbook that he knows, which is attack him and try to muddy the waters to make him look bad,” Miller continued.

“But this is not about persuading any new supporters. It's not like there's this anti-Fauci sentiment out there that Trump is trying to tap into. He's embarrassed that he handled this so poorly, he's embarrassed that he's getting bad reviews for us, and he's embarrassed that Fauci is being praised, so he wants to bring Fauci down a peg,” he said.

Another ex-GOP communications consultant, Lincoln Project senior adviser Kurt Bardella, posited that the life-or-death stakes of the global coronavirus crisis make it a waste of time for the White House to target Fauci if the goal is to help the president’s public image.

“You could call the Mueller investigation fake news… and all the things that we heard Trump and his ilk repeat. You can't say that about the coronavirus when everyday people are seeing it in their own communities, their families, their social circles, and their emergency rooms,” said Bardella, a former spokesperson for Republicans on the House Oversight Committee.

“Fauci is first and foremost a doctor and a medical professional, and that is how the American people view him,” he continued. “But they’re applying the Mueller playbook to Fauci because this White House and Trump don't have any other tools in their toolbox. They are literally a one hit wonder, they just go back and play the same thing over and over again, and we're seeing — not just with the coronavirus but in other areas — that it's just not working. People aren't buying what he's selling anymore.”

The similarities between Trumpian tactics being used against Fauci and Mueller run deep.

To say that Mueller had a sterling reputation prior to his appointment would be a massive understatement — and the same could easily be said about Fauci. Mueller was also the longest-serving FBI director since the infamous J Edgar Hoover, thanks to the Senate unanimously approving a request by then-President Barack Obama to extend by two years the ten-year term to which he’d been confirmed just over a month before the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. Fauci, in turn, served under multiple presidents and both parties and has been treated with respect and reverence by each one until this political moment.

Mueller and his ongoing investigation occupied a permanent spot in the public consciousness, kept there by a steady string of indictments, non-stop news coverage, and the hopes and dreams of the so-called “resistance” to Trump’s presidency. The taciturn Vietnam veteran, whose office did not leak and who did not speak to the media, nevertheless became somewhat of a pop culture figure. There were Mueller action figures, t-shirts, and even a bizarre children’s book which depicted him as a well-muscled, shirtless figure akin to a Chippendale dancer. Easy comparisons can be drawn with the “Fauc on the Couch” merchandise around today.

Unable to stop the negative headlines or the media speculation about what was happening behind Mueller’s leak-proof doors, the White House and many of Trump’s outside allies instead began hitting back against the investigation in 2018 with a concerted campaign to personally discredit the man who had come to his position with almost universal acclaim. Trumpian Republicans made a huge effort to turn the tight-lipped, respectful Mueller into a partisan figure in the public’s eyes.

And thanks to the former Special Counsel’s self-imposed silence during the entirety of his investigation, Trumpworld had the playing field all to itself. Aided by leaks about his personnel from House Republicans, and a steady stream of often-unhinged television appearances by Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani, it was an effort that was at least somewhat successful.

According to Morning Consult polling, only 27 percent of Republicans had an unfavorable impression of Mueller in July 2017, two months after his appointment as Special Counsel. Eleven months after that in June 2018, over half of Republicans — 53 percent — viewed him unfavorably.

Two years later, Donald Trump is faced with another crisis, and with another veteran public servant whose presence in the popular consciousness underscores the threat it poses to his presidency. The White House’s reaction has been the same. And anyone who works alongside Trump in the Oval Office is now terrified enough of that strategy that they’ll do the president’s bidding, whether or not it makes any sense.



Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2020, 10:21:38 PM »
  The posting here continues mirroring something outta "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".  Quoting people Nobody every heard of along with these squiggly Red lines. Most of you guys are Twitter worthy with the never ending lunacy that drives that joint.
  That Head Honcho Chickadee finally woke up over at the NY Times. People of All political persuasions are coming to realize the Fake News Media is just that. FAKE!

Head over heals attracted to a 74 year old sociopath with a penchant for lying constantly over life or death issues and the cruelest tyrant wannabee to "grace" American politics since George Wallace in '68, and you presume to lecture the rest of us? Really?

What happened to this Royell Storing? back then, you weren't even reacting to compulsive lying and unprecedented corrupt governance, only to age!
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a MSAC student from "The Bridge", wanted to bring the voice of youth to the board, contending that the board was “too old.”

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/07/13/president-trump-has-made-more-than-20000-false-or-misleading-claims/
Fact Checker - Analysis
President Trump has made more than 20,000 false or misleading claims
By Glenn Kessler,  Salvador Rizzo and Meg Kelly
July 13, 2020 at 3:00 a.m. EDT

It took President Trump 827 days to top 10,000 false and misleading claims in The Fact Checker’s database, an average of 12 claims a day.

But on July 9, just 440 days later, the president crossed the 20,000 mark — an average of 23 claims a day over a 14-month period, which included the events leading up to Trump’s impeachment trial, the worldwide pandemic that crashed the economy and the eruption of protests over the death of George Floyd in police custody....

...Just as when Trump crossed the 10,000 threshold, an interview with Sean Hannity of Fox News helped Trump breach the 20,000 mark. Trump racked up 62 claims on July 9, about half of which came during the Hannity interview: Trump’s statements cover a substantial range of his bogus attacks, conspiracy theories, boasts and inaccurate information:

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...The coronavirus pandemic has spawned a whole new genre of Trump’s falsehoods. The category in just a few months has reached nearly 1,000 claims, more than his tax claims combined. Trump’s false or misleading claims about the impeachment investigation — and the events surrounding it — contributed almost 1,200 entries to the database.....
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Offline Paul May

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2020, 10:31:55 PM »
Head over heals attracted to a 74 year old sociopath with a penchant for lying constantly over life or death issues and the cruelest tyrant wannabee to "grace" American politics since George Wallace in '68, and you presume to lecture the rest of us? Really?

What happened to this Royell Storing? back then, you weren't even reacting to compulsive lying and unprecedented corrupt governance, only to age!

Good posting Tom!

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2020, 02:18:36 AM »
Propagandist rhetoric and once AGAIN ignoring FACTS. Is the media wrong about 135,000 dead Americans? Simple question, even for you. Yes or no will suffice.

Let's not forget about Roger Stone, and how he (and Harley Schlanger of the fascistic pro-Russia Lyndon LaRouche organization) helped Vladimir Putin install his favorite compromised "useful idiot" in the White House, shall we?

(For the Stone-Schlanger-Putin-Assange connection, google simultaneously the names "Stone Schlanger Caddy".)

https://markinreport.com/2020/07/13/stones-commuted-sentence-tells-you-trump-is-guilty/?fbclid=IwAR3azNIEsIUELoZfzWrtFqRYi9jNFF1OOMpgp6uzqrWpc5enauj0pC2GWlw

--  MWT  ;)

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2020, 02:29:50 AM »

  You guys Never will simply admit that running Hillary was a Boner. Same goes with running "Fuzzy" Biden. I watched Trump tie Fuzzy to China today. THIS + Hunter/$$$ is going to be a Biden achilles heel. Trump will rail about China unleashing Corona on the U.S. + VP Biden already being in China's Back Pocket/$$$.  Toast!

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2020, 02:31:21 AM »
Unhinged lunatic Donald Trump held a hate rally disguised as press conference in the Rose Garden jumping all over the place as his cognitive decline was on full display. Twitter is trending with several hashtags that are negative against this incompetent disaster. MSNBC didn't even show this lie filled debacle. 25th Amendment needs to be put in place. He knows he is losing badly which makes him even more dangerous.   

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2020, 02:36:01 AM »
  Here we go with the Twitter  BS: again. The majority of those airheads/potheads do Not Vote. They make all kinds of Noise, and then stay home come election day. Their track record has been established. This is why You guys continue Losing Elections. Why do you think they call it a "HASHtag"? Please continue relying on what you see coming outta Twitter.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2020, 02:43:00 AM »
You guys Never will simply admit that running Hillary was a Boner. Same goes with running "Fuzzy" Biden. I watched Trump tie Fuzzy to China today. THIS + Hunter/$$$ is going to be a Biden achilles heel. Trump will rail about China unleashing Corona on the U.S. + VP Biden already being in China's Back Pocket/$$$.  Toast

Royell can only parrot the same bogus right wing media talking points repeated by the talking heads.

Donald Trump is tens of millions of dollars in debt to China. Ivanka got her trademarks from China with no problem. Donald Trump refused to get tough on China because he thought he was going to get a favorable trade deal. He is owned by China and everybody knows it.

Donald Trump can rail about China all he wants. He isn't going to get one vote by doing it.

The overwhelming majority of Americans want Donald Trump gone. Right wingers can't seem to understand that. All of Donald Trump's attacks on Biden has fallen on deaf ears.

Donald Trump refused to save Americans from COVID-19. He called it a hoax and still lies about it. His Tulsa rally was a disaster. Nobody showed up and the ones who did are now infected. Now he wants to shove kids in school to get sick and spread the virus at home.

What we saw today was a desperate man spiraling out of control. The more he rages, the more voters he loses.

Biden is up by 5 in Texas and the battleground states are becoming safe Democrat states.

Let the lunatic rail. The more he screams the better it is for Biden.             

Donald Trump has been toast for a long time.
         

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2020, 02:50:21 AM »
  Here we go with the Twitter  BS: again. The majority of those airheads/potheads do Not Vote. They make all kinds of Noise, and then stay home come election day. Their track record has been established. This is why You guys continue Losing Elections. Why do you think they call it a "HASHtag"? Please continue relying on what you see coming outta Twitter.

 :D :D

Everybody is going to vote this lunatic out. COVID 19 is a disaster. Hospitals are at full capacity and the economy is sliding again. The reason COVID19 is exploding is because Donald Trump forced states to open early because he thought he could boost the economy enough to win. That has failed. People are outraged that things are getting worse after 4 months.

Royell thinks people are going to line up around the block to vote for Donald Trump who make them, their families, their friends sick through purposeful neglect. That is pure ignorance right there.

There is no reason for people to vote for this mentally and physically incompetent disaster. He destroyed America and the overwhelming majority of Americans know it.           

 

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