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Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« on: July 12, 2020, 05:55:38 PM »


Trump Supporters Have a Predictably Insane Coronavirus Conspiracy Theory
Apparently this all ties back to the Russia investigation.

BY BESS LEVIN
FEBRUARY 27, 2020

There’s an old saying in politics that goes “Let’s not stereotype anyone, but Donald Trump attracts some real wack jobs. (See R.Storing). ” Data points that support this maxim include but are not limited to: the belief among Trump supporters that God chose him to be president; the belief that an established pathological liar is the most honest man in politics; and the belief that if he’d just had three fewer Big Macs over the last couple years, he be on track to live until 200. Of course, there’s nothing like the threat of a global pandemic to get already unwell people extra riled up, so now we can add “the belief that the deep state is using the coronavirus to take down the president” to the list.

Politico reports that a number of Trump supporters are pretty sure they’ve uncovered a smoking gun showing that traitors within the government are weaponizing the disease against the president, in a plot that goes all the way back to the Mueller report. Yes:

One key piece of evidence fueling their theory: A Centers for Disease Control official making public statements on the outbreak is the sister of Rod Rosenstein, the former deputy attorney general who oversaw the Mueller probe and, according to a disputed report, once discussed removing Trump from office. Dr. Nancy Messonnier, head of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases—who got a shoutout from her brother for attending his 2017 confirmation hearing—warned Americans in a Tuesday media briefing that an outbreak in the U.S. is inevitable. Messonnier’s comments got widespread attention, sparking calls for further actions by the administration, which had long struck a more reassuring note. The furor appeared to catch Trump flat-footed while en route back from his summit with the Indian prime minister, where he had declared the outbreak “very well under control.”


The likes of conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh and Jim Hoft, publisher of the Gateway Pundit, a conspiratorial, pro-Trump site, have seized on the sibling connection, as have a large number of anonymous Twitter accounts. “Rod Rosenstein as we all know definitely worked to undermine the Trump administration, which is oddly exactly what his sister is doing by undermining the more logical and calm message the president’s team has issued on the virus,” charged conservative pundit Wayne Dupree in a Wednesday blog post. Of course, there’s no evidence whatsoever that health officials like Messonnier have been overstating the threat of the virus, yet a considerable amount suggesting that Trump has downplayed the situation so as to avoid upsetting financial markets. “I’ve heard people jumping on Nancy Messonnier because she told us the truth: that it’s not a matter of if but when,” Representative Tom Cole told reporters on Wednesday, according to Politico. “Isn’t that what you want to hear instead of some pie in the sky?” Apparently, not so much!

In addition to putting two and two together re: Messonnier—who, unlike the president and newly minted coronavirus czar Mike Pence, is an actual doctor who has never helped cause an HIV outbreak that we know of—supporters like Limbaugh have also fingered the media for the inside job. On Monday, the Medal of Freedom recipient told his listeners: “It looks like the coronavirus is being weaponized as yet another element to bring down Donald Trump,” adding, “Now, I want to tell you the truth about the coronavirus…The coronavirus is the common cold, folks. The Drive-By Media hype of this thing as a pandemic, as the Andromeda strain, as, ‘Oh, my God, if you get it, you’re dead’...I think the survival rate is 98%. Ninety-eight percent of people get the coronavirus survive…I believe the way it’s being weaponized is by virtue of the media, and I think that it is an effort to bring down Trump, and one of the ways it’s being used to do this is to scare the investors, to scare people in business. It’s to scare people into not buying Treasury bills at auctions. It’s to scare people into leaving, cashing out of the stock market—and sure enough, as the show began today, the stock market—the Dow Jones Industrial Average—was down about 900 points, supposedly because of the latest news about the spread of the coronavirus.”

Perhaps now that it’s all been laid out as plain as day, you‘ll begin to understand.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2020, 06:14:59 PM »
Report: Internal CDC Documents Warned Full Reopening of Schools Would Be ‘Highest Risk’ For Spreading Coronavirus


As President Donald Trump aims to have students back in school by Fall, internal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) documents warn that fully reopening schools would be “highest risk” for spreading the coronavirus, according to the New York Times.

The 69-page report labeled “For Internal Use Only” was compiled to assist federal public health response teams in dealing with coronavirus hot spots. The document includes reopening plans and proposals in line with CDC guidelines, for state and district schools along with universities.

Most of the document is made up of already publicly available CDC documents, according to the Times. Schools and universities are set to reopen in approximately another month, with some announcing all class instruction with be done online.

Vice President Mike Pence announced during a White House briefing on Wednesday that the CDC would release their guidelines for reopening schools next week adding, “we just don’t want the guidance to be too tough,” according to CNN.

Trump voiced his own criticisms of the agency on Wednesday in a tweet, “I disagree with @CDCgov on their very tough & expensive guidelines for opening schools. While they want them open, they are asking schools to do very impractical things. I will be meeting with them!!!


“I can tell you that those guidance that we put out are out, and they stand,” CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield told CNN host Anderson Cooper. “But at the end of the day, these guidances are just that — they’re guidances, which the local schools and districts need to then incorporate into a practical, real plan that they can operationalize to begin to get these young people back to school safely.”

It has not been confirmed if the president has been briefed on the CDC’s report.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2020, 12:03:18 AM »
White House seeks to discredit Fauci as coronavirus surges

Many of the statements the White House criticizes Fauci for were based on the best available data at the time and were widely echoed by Trump and other officials.

The White House is seeking to discredit Dr. Anthony Fauci, the country's leading infectious disease expert, as President Donald Trump works to marginalize him and his dire warnings about the shortcomings of the U.S. coronavirus response.

In a remarkable broadside by the Trump administration against one of its own, a White House official said Sunday that "several White House officials are concerned about the number of times Dr. Fauci has been wrong on things." The official gave NBC News a list of nearly a dozen past comments by Fauci that the official said had ultimately proven erroneous.

Among them: Fauci's comments in January that the coronavirus was "not a major threat" and his guidance in March that "people should not be walking around with masks."

It was a move more characteristic of a political campaign furtively disseminating opposition research about an opponent than of a White House struggling to contain a pandemic that has killed more than 135,000 people, according to an NBC News tally.

Fauci, who runs the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, had been a leading member of the White House coronavirus task force and a key communicator with the public until the president soured on his sober assessments of the situation, which have increasingly conflicted with the more sanguine picture of a virus in retreat that the president has sought to paint.

In recent days, Fauci has deviated from Trump by disputing that the U.S. is "doing great" and by faulting the decision in some states to reopen too quickly and to sidestep the task force's suggested criteria for when it's safe to loosen restrictions. In a particularly alarming prediction, Fauci said he wouldn't be surprised if the U.S. was soon adding 100,000 new cases a day — a figure that would reflect an abject failure to slow the spread.

Fauci declined to comment.

The coronavirus is surging nationwide, which Trump has repeatedly downplayed as the result of increased testing rather than growing numbers of infections. Florida on Sunday reported over 15,000 new cases, the most any state has reported in a single day since the pandemic began. The U.S. on Friday also surpassed 70,000 new coronavirus cases nationwide for the first time.

As physicians and scientists have learned more about the coronavirus, the medical consensus on how to treat it and limit its spread has evolved — and not just in the U.S. Many of Fauci's assertions called into question by the White House official were based on the best available data at the time and were widely echoed by Trump, other members of the task force and senior White House officials.


"When you learn more, you change those recommendations," Surgeon General Jerome Adams, another member of the task force, told CBS News on Sunday. "Our recommendations have changed."


The list of Fauci's comments compiled by the White House, first reported by The Washington Post, includes Fauci's saying in January— weeks before the first reported COVID-19 death in the U.S. — that the virus was "not a major threat for the people in the U.S." A month later, Trump told Americans that the virus would simply "disappear" like a "miracle."

The White House declined to provide further comment. But the signs of its displeasure have been mounting. On Thursday, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany declined to say whether Trump still has confidence in Fauci, and the president said of him the same day: "He's made a lot of mistakes."

"I disagree with him," Trump said in a separate interview with Gray Television's Greta Van Susteren last week.

Signs of tension between Fauci and the president are growing. Fauci said last week that he hadn't seen Trump in person since June 2 and hadn't briefed him in person in at least two months.

Fauci, who has served in the federal government for decades, can't be directly fired by the president, and there were no signs that Trump was seeking to get rid of him altogether. Rather, the White House salvo appeared aimed at undermining the public's trust in the renowned immunologist in hope that Americans will be more inclined to believe Trump's far more optimistic version of events as the November election marches closer.

Fauci has enjoyed broad support from the public, which got to know the gruff-speaking doctor during his frequent appearances at the task force's televised briefings — a mainstay of the early response to the pandemic that has since fallen largely by the wayside.


A New York Times/Sienna College poll last month found that 2 in 3 registered voters approved of Fauci, including half of Republicans and 4 in 5 Democrats. Trump, by comparison, enjoyed support of his handling of the crisis from only 1 in 4 voters in the same poll, including just 4 percent of Democrats.

Another member of the coronavirus task force, Dr. Brett Giroir, added to the pile-on, saying Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press" that Fauci hasn't always been correct.

"I respect Dr. Fauci a lot, but Dr. Fauci is not 100 percent right, and he also doesn't necessarily, he admits that, have the whole national interest in mind. He looks at it from a very narrow public health point of view," Giroir said.




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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2020, 12:12:57 AM »
Right wingers now have a coordinated effort to attack Dr. Fauci because they need a scapegoat to cover up for Donald Trump's COVID-19 lies. Donald Trump and the right wing media called COVID-19 a hoax, mocked wearing masks and social distancing and promoted bogus drugs that don't work. Dr. Fauci warned that opening up prematurely would explode COVID19 cases and it has when Donald Trump told us "it was going away". When anybody speaks out against this corrupt pathologically lying administration they will attack and smear you. They will try to force you into silence like they have done to others. They are hellbent on forcing kids into school so they can get sick and spread the virus at home. Dr. Fauci is against it and they are trying to shut him up for speaking out against it. Every right winger on Twitter right now is smearing Dr. Fauci who was right on the money while these right wingers were blasting out bogus health disinformation about COVID-19.             

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2020, 01:06:29 AM »
Right wingers now have a coordinated effort to attack Dr. Fauci because they need a scapegoat to cover up for Donald Trump's COVID-19 lies. Donald Trump and the right wing media called COVID-19 a hoax, mocked wearing masks and social distancing and promoted bogus drugs that don't work. Dr. Fauci warned that opening up prematurely would explode COVID19 cases and it has when Donald Trump told us "it was going away". When anybody speaks out against this corrupt pathologically lying administration they will attack and smear you. They will try to force you into silence like they have done to others. They are hellbent on forcing kids into school so they can get sick and spread the virus at home. Dr. Fauci is against it and they are trying to shut him up for speaking out against it. Every right winger on Twitter right now is smearing Dr. Fauci who was right on the money while these right wingers were blasting out bogus health disinformation about COVID-19.             

Bingo. This is a coordinated assault on America by the federal government.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2020, 01:15:07 AM »
Right wingers now have a coordinated effort to attack Dr. Fauci because they need a scapegoat to cover up for Donald Trump's COVID-19 lies. Donald Trump and the right wing media called COVID-19 a hoax, mocked wearing masks and social distancing and promoted bogus drugs that don't work. Dr. Fauci warned that opening up prematurely would explode COVID19 cases and it has when Donald Trump told us "it was going away". When anybody speaks out against this corrupt pathologically lying administration they will attack and smear you. They will try to force you into silence like they have done to others. They are hellbent on forcing kids into school so they can get sick and spread the virus at home. Dr. Fauci is against it and they are trying to shut him up for speaking out against it. Every right winger on Twitter right now is smearing Dr. Fauci who was right on the money while these right wingers were blasting out bogus health disinformation about COVID-19.             

Dear Frederick,

Are we to assume that your calling President Trump "Donald Trump" so often means you think he's a traitor?

Or does it just signify that he really, really wuvs Eggs Benedict ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_Arnold

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggs_Benedict

--  MWT  ;)
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2020, 06:58:48 AM »
Welcome to the fight of our lives! This is not who we are. Chi-Com president Xi laughs at Pompeo's scolding hypocrisy.

Don't underestimate the mendacity and fealty of Pence. Supporters of the Trump - Pence "makeover" are either involuntarily attracted to authoritarian cruelty or.... let them justify this "makeover" in their own words.

Pence's "dead inside" spokeswoman is now the PR voice of the alleged Coronavirus "task force"! What could go wrong?

https://www.businessinsider.com/katie-miller-says-unmoved-by-child-detention-facility-visit-book-2020-7

What was court ordered to end, two full years ago is alive and unwell, and the "makeover" admin. seems determined to ignore the judge's order.:
In chronological order, the cruelty has continued two additional years, so this is only the most recent two weeks, and consider Stephen Miller married this "dead inside, thing", described at the businessinsider.com link, above.:

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/26/politics/migrant-children-ruling/index.html

READ: Judge rules US must release migrant children from family detention centers
By CNN

Updated 10:36 PM ET, Fri June 26, 2020
(CNN)The US government must release migrant children held in government family detention centers by mid-July due to the coronavirus pandemic, a federal judge ruled Friday.

Read the ruling:
And....
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/us-may-separate-families-after-federal-judge-orders-ice-to-free-migrant-children/2020/07/07/a1758ad6-c067-11ea-b178-bb7b05b94af1_story.html

Trump administration seeks to continue detaining parents after ...www.washingtonpost.com › legal-issues › 2020/07/07
5 days ago - A judge has set a Thursday deadline for ICE to determine whether it will continue holding more than 100 parents at family detention centers.

AND:

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/immigrant-parents-denied-adequate-medical-care-should-be-released-their-n1233615
NBC News
Immigrant parents denied adequate medical care, should be released with their children, lawyers say
Lawyers representing immigrant families in detention filed a complaint ... A federal judge is scheduled to hear arguments Monday in a case that ...
6 hours ago July 12, 2020



The Lincoln Project :


Before the "makeover", after 113 years :

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Lazarus
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Lines from her sonnet "The New Colossus" appear on a bronze plaque in the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty which was placed in 1903.[2] The sonnet was written in 1883 and donated to an auction, conducted by the "Art Loan Fund Exhibition in Aid of the Bartholdi Pedestal Fund for the Statue of Liberty" in order to raise funds to build the pedestal.[c] Lazarus' close friend Rose Hawthorne Lathrop was inspired by "The New Colossus" to found the Dominican Sisters of Hawthorne.[26]
...........


Has the U.S. become so weak and fearful it insists on this policy for a third year? The $$$ expended on guards, legal fees, etc. could have been directed to relieving the suffering of these desperate victims of U.S. extremism, instead of intensifying their suffering!

Thugs in a pandemic era, but people eagerly defend them and Trump "accomplishments":

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/07/10/federal-judge-denies-trump-administrations-request-to-indefinitely-detain-families/

Federal judge denies Trump administration's request to ...
Gee described the Trump administration's arguments as “dubious” and “unconvincing.” ... July 10, 2018 at 12:27 a.m. PDT ... so immigration officials could indefinitely detain families while their cases wind through immigration court. AD. AD.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/06/trump-immigration-detain-families-together-770834
Trump family detention plan challenges court settlement ...
Trump family detention plan challenges court settlement. By TED HESSON. 09/06/2018 10:50 AM EDT. Share on Facebook Share on Twitter. The Trump ...

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/06/trump-immigration-detain-families-together-770834
US: Judge Blocks Indefinite Family Detention | Human Rights
Sep 27, 2019 - 2018 Getty Images ... “The Trump administration's new rules were completely inconsistent with legal requirements designed to ... Judge Dolly Gee of the United States District Court for the Central District of California ruled that ...

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2020, 04:12:09 PM »
The paranoia rages!

Trump promotes tweet that accuses the CDC and doctors of ‘lying’ about COVID-19 to hurt his campaign

President Donald Trump on Monday promoted a tweet from former “Love Connection” host Chuck Woolery that accused doctors of “lying” about the novel coronavirus to hurt his chances of winning re-election later this year.

“The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19,” Woolery wrote in his tweet. “Everyone is lying. The CDC, Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most, that we are told to trust. I think it’s all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. I’m sick of it.”


The president has been feuding more with his own government’s experts about the state of the pandemic in the United States, and his own aides have even started circulating an opposition research file about Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, for getting some things wrong in the past when talking about the novel coronavirus.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2020, 05:19:44 PM »
No mas.  These apparently endless, repetitive rants about Trump have no relevance on a JFK assassination forum.  How about at least moving them to "Off Topic"?  Or better yet, the Internet is a vast wasteland for obsessive people.  Surely there are better suited places to rant and torture the folks who frequent other websites.

    All they have is Each Other. Ranting-N-Raving/HATING due to "Trump Derangement Syndrome". If there were still publicly funded Asylums across this country, these people would be filling 'em to the rafters.   

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2020, 05:27:09 PM »

No mas.  These apparently endless, repetitive rants about Trump have no relevance on a JFK assassination forum.  How about at least moving them to "Off Topic"?  Or better yet, the Internet is a vast wasteland for obsessive people.  Surely there are better suited places to rant and torture the folks who frequent other websites.
    All they have is Each Other. Ranting-N-Raving/HATING due to "Trump Derangement Syndrome". If there were still publicly funded Asylums across this country, these people would be filling 'em to the rafters.

....Or, post some links to facts supporting your posted opinion.... merely your feelings if you refuse to support your posted opinions.
Right now, your feelings seem to be hurt, but consider innocent kids are still caged, still exposed unnecessarily to covid-19, still not receiving adequate medical care, two full years after court ordered release, and there is that pesky problem of pandemic raging out of control mostly now in red states that did exactly as Trump demanded, and his Secretary of Education, who literally bought her office, is putting Trump's campaign priorities over health risks to school children, contradicted yesterday by a health expert, on the same Foxnoose Sunday show Ms. Devos lied about children's health risks on! -
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..Speaking in Sunday TV interviews, DeVos stressed that kids attending school in the fall should be the rule, not the exception.

She asserted that "there's nothing in the data that suggests that kids being in school is in any way dangerous."...

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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/the-implications-of-trump-derangement-syndrome/610705/
The Implications of Trump Derangement Syndrome
Even now, vehement Trump supporters seem to believe that most criticism of the president is explained by widespread TDS.
APRIL 27, 2020


Conor Friedersdorf - Staff writer at The Atlantic

....“Has Trump derangement syndrome killed more people than COVID-19?” a blogger asked, adding, “Many hospitals are denying [hydroxychloroquine] and instead maintaining the standard protocol for acute respiratory distress syndrome, which seems to be a death sentence for COVID patients.”

As these critics see it, something about watching Trump try to fight the coronavirus pandemic induces psychosis in roughly half of the country. This deranged reaction makes rank-and-file Democratic voters “suicidal.” It makes Democrats akin to perpetrators of manslaughter, and governors “reckless, dangerous, ignorant and delusional.” It causes hospitals to deny lifesaving treatments to patients. This “syndrome” may even be killing more people than the coronavirus.

If all that’s true, wouldn’t America be better off being governed by someone who doesn’t induce such deranged reactions in so many of its citizens? No Trump, no TDS.....
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