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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6192 on: May 24, 2023, 04:56:36 AM »
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Donald Trump just posted a letter that his attorneys have sent to Attorney General Merrick Garland, asking for an emergency meeting to discuss the “injustices” the DOJ is carrying out. Trump’s lawyers must be expecting Trump to be indicted by Jack Smith within the week.

This is the letter that Trump posted publicly this evening:



Trump’s team also got the Wall Street Journal to publish an article this evening acknowledging that Trump is likely about to be indicted by Jack Smith in the classified documents case, but spinning it as a good thing for Trump because he’ll be able to fundraise off it.

Trump’s lawyers wouldn’t *know* his indictment is imminent, unless Jack Smith has informed them about it. Which is possible.

It’s also possible Trump’s lawyers are just guessing. But they have such a front row seat to this case, it would be a well educated guess.

To be clear, this letter will have zero impact on anything. It’s not even a stall tactic. Trump’s lawyers are doing this just so they can say to Trump that they did *something* to fight back. Even though this isn’t anything.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6193 on: May 24, 2023, 05:22:38 AM »
Jack Smith has essentially completed his Trump classified documents probe, according to a new WSJ article that’s written entirely from Trump’s lawyers’ point of view and is pretty clearly sourced to them.

Even they’re admitting Trump is likely about to be indicted. ;D

Since this article is pretty clearly coming from Trump’s lawyers, they don’t know for certain what Smith is doing. But they do have a front row seat in terms of witnesses having testified and such.

What’s remarkable is that this WSJ article is Trump’s lawyers’ best attempt at spinning the whole thing positively for them, and the best they could come up with it the narrative that Trump will be indicted and it’ll be good for his fundraising. THIS is their best spin. :D

In other words, Trump’s lawyers expect him to be indicted any day now, and they’re trying to get out ahead of it.

They don’t *know* Jack Smith’s timeline, unless he’s informed them. But they clearly have a pretty good idea that it’s about to happen.

To be clear, if Trump’s lawyers thought there were *any* chance he weren’t being indicted, they’d be leaking that he was off the hook, in the hope they’d end up being proven right, so they could look smart for it.

This is surrender.

Special Counsel Is Wrapping Up Trump Mar-a-Lago Probe
Some Trump associates anticipate an indictment and raising funds off it
https://www.wsj.com/articles/special-counsel-is-wrapping-up-trump-mar-a-lago-probe-99cd2517

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6194 on: May 24, 2023, 08:10:50 AM »
Donald Trump just posted a letter that his attorneys have sent to Attorney General Merrick Garland, asking for an emergency meeting to discuss the “injustices” the DOJ is carrying out. Trump’s lawyers must be expecting Trump to be indicted by Jack Smith within the week.

This is the letter that Trump posted publicly this evening:



Trump’s team also got the Wall Street Journal to publish an article this evening acknowledging that Trump is likely about to be indicted by Jack Smith in the classified documents case, but spinning it as a good thing for Trump because he’ll be able to fundraise off it.

Trump’s lawyers wouldn’t *know* his indictment is imminent, unless Jack Smith has informed them about it. Which is possible.

It’s also possible Trump’s lawyers are just guessing. But they have such a front row seat to this case, it would be a well educated guess.

To be clear, this letter will have zero impact on anything. It’s not even a stall tactic. Trump’s lawyers are doing this just so they can say to Trump that they did *something* to fight back. Even though this isn’t anything.

Merrick Garland has declined Trump’s attorneys’ request tonight for an emergency meeting. Garland’s office said to the media that “Jack Smith is running this investigation.” No surprise here. Garland appointed Smith to indict Trump, and now he’s simply letting Smith do his job.

Donald Trump can cc as many “Representatives of Congress” as he wants. There is literally nothing they can to do prevent, delay, or sabotage Jack Smith’s indictment. Trump is simply desperate and begging for help from people who can’t give it to him. Donnie knows he's finished and headed to prison for his many crimes he committed. 

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« Reply #6195 on: May 24, 2023, 09:33:58 AM »
It turns out Jack Smith has Donald Trump nailed all the way back to 2017.

Based on the grand jury testimony that DOJ Special Counsel Jack Smith has recently pulled off against Donald Trump, it’s pretty clear that Smith is close to criminally indicting Trump in relation to his classified documents scandal and January 6th. There has also been reporting that Smith is targeting Trump for wire fraud in relation to post-2020 fundraising. Now it turns out Smith has cast a much broader net.

Jack Smith has also subpoenaed the financial records of the Trump Organization’s business deals with seven foreign nations dating back to 2017, according to the New York Times. While this reporting is new, the subpoena is not. The Times says that the subpoena was issued at some unspecified time in the past.

This is yet another instance of Jack Smith investigating some aspect of Donald Trump’s crime spree and nailing him on it, and then the media and the public only find out about it after the fact. By now Smith has surely found what he was looking for. And given that Smith was apparently looking to tie Trump’s international business deals to the decisions he made as President, Trump should be very worried that Smith is looking to bring down every inch of Trump’s house of cards.

As always, keep in mind that Jack Smith – like every other prosecutor out there – knows how to read a calendar. He understands that he has to bring his charges against Trump (or at least the first round of charges) with enough time to hold a trial and get Trump convicted and imprisoned before we even get to the heart of the 2024 election cycle. Trump has a handful of legal tools at his disposal for delaying the start of any criminal trial, but those are finite in number, and a seasoned prosecutor like Smith will have also factored that into his timeframe.

So while it may feel as if Jack Smith just keeps expanding his criminal probe into new areas of Donald Trump’s life, in reality these “new” angles of investigation happened awhile back. As tends to happen in any pre-indictment criminal probe, particularly a federal one, we tend to learn about various details long after they’ve played out. Smith’s case is clearly well ahead of where the media’s reporting on Smith’s case is, because Smith is carrying out his case as secretly as possible. But once Smith indicts Trump, get ready for a floodgate of information to open about just how broad this probe has been all along.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6196 on: May 24, 2023, 09:55:59 AM »
Jack Smith has essentially completed his Trump classified documents probe, according to a new WSJ article that’s written entirely from Trump’s lawyers’ point of view and is pretty clearly sourced to them.

Even they’re admitting Trump is likely about to be indicted. ;D

Since this article is pretty clearly coming from Trump’s lawyers, they don’t know for certain what Smith is doing. But they do have a front row seat in terms of witnesses having testified and such.

What’s remarkable is that this WSJ article is Trump’s lawyers’ best attempt at spinning the whole thing positively for them, and the best they could come up with it the narrative that Trump will be indicted and it’ll be good for his fundraising. THIS is their best spin. :D

In other words, Trump’s lawyers expect him to be indicted any day now, and they’re trying to get out ahead of it.

They don’t *know* Jack Smith’s timeline, unless he’s informed them. But they clearly have a pretty good idea that it’s about to happen.

To be clear, if Trump’s lawyers thought there were *any* chance he weren’t being indicted, they’d be leaking that he was off the hook, in the hope they’d end up being proven right, so they could look smart for it.

This is surrender.

Special Counsel Is Wrapping Up Trump Mar-a-Lago Probe
Some Trump associates anticipate an indictment and raising funds off it
https://www.wsj.com/articles/special-counsel-is-wrapping-up-trump-mar-a-lago-probe-99cd2517

The biggest news of the day: Trump’s attorneys may have just tipped off that Jack Smith is indicting Trump *right now* for classified documents, and will then bring the other charges (1/6, wire fraud, etc) as they’re ready, as opposed to waiting to bring all the charges at once.

To be clear, I’m basing this chiefly on the article that Trump’s lawyers got the Wall Street Journal to publish tonight. This is where they admit that they expect Smith to imminently indict Trump for docs, and don’t know the timeframe for the other cases.

There was always zero chance that Merrick Garland would take Trump meeting, or help Trump avoid indictment, or hinder Jack Smith’s case in any way. If you were expecting otherwise, it’s only because you were being fed a fictional version of Garland by the media and pundit class.

Jack Smith’s timing here isn’t surprising. All along the appeals court was set to rule in late May on whether Jack Smith was allowed to use the testimony and notes he’d gotten from Evan Corcoran. Couple days ago, media appeared to tip off that Corcoran’s notes were a go. And now Trump’s lawyers are acting like he could be indicted at any minute. If Smith was indeed only waiting for that final ruling, and he got it, then he’s no longer waiting for anything else to come through, and he’s indicting. And Trump’s lawyers know he’s indicting. And they’re doing that last minute panic routine that you do once you’re at a point where you know the hammer is days, maybe hours, from dropping. That kind of panic routine doesn’t change anything, and isn’t even meant to change anything, and is really just about conning yourself (or your idiot client) into thinking that you somehow still have some sliver of a say in what’s about to happen. But you don’t. Because it’s already over for you. Bon voyage, Donald Trump. You did it to yourself.

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« Reply #6197 on: May 24, 2023, 10:22:37 AM »
'I think they're desperate': Trump biographer slams letter from Trump lawyers to Garland



The letter Donald Trump posted Tuesday night showing his attorneys demanding a meeting with Attorney General Merrick Garland shows Trump's lawyers are "desperate" in their handling of special counsel Jack Smith's probe, according to the former president's biographer.

Appearing on the 11th Hour with Stephanie Ruhle, Tim O'Brien, author of TrumpNation: The Art of Being the Donald, was asked what he thought of the letter, in which Trump's lawyers, John Rowley and Jim Trusty, say Trump is being "treated unfairly" in the investigations into his role in the events of Jan. 6, 2021, as well as the documents improperly kept at Mar-a-Lago.

"I think they're desperate," O'Brien said to the host. "This is not an astute or strategic action by lawyers who feel like they are in control of a narrative or that they are in control of where this particular investigation is heading. They are doing what Trump has always done. They are trying to politicize an investigation and they are not responsive around the law or the rule of law."

O'Brien also called into question the narrative that Trump can easily beat back all types of investigations.

"Trump, for all of the mythology around trump having nine lives in terms of being held accountable in the courtroom, he's never in his entire life face the kind of heavyweight investigations that surround him on a number of fronts by very purposeful prosecutors who are assembling the fact pattern and trying to determine whether he committed financial fraud, whether he tried to overturn the 2020 election illegally, whether he abused the power of his office in terms of mishandling classified documents, and on and on," he added.

For their part, O'Brien said, prosecutors are in a time crunch.

"I think there is some urgency on the part of the prosecutors now to bring some of these things to a close so they are not occurring and the meat of the prosecution is not occurring during the primary season next year at least some of the initial filings," he said. "And I think there is a lot of desperation in the Trump camp about all of this."

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Trump's team thinks Jack Smith indictment referral is a 'foregone conclusion': impeachment lawyer

Former President Donald Trump posted a letter from his attorneys on Tuesday evening, demanding a meeting with Attorney General Merrick Garland to discuss the "outrageous and unlawful" investigations by special counsel Jack Smith, who is weighing whether to pursue charges against the former president for either the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, or the theft and retention of classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago resort.

Speaking to CNN's Abby Phillip during a panel, Robert Ray, who succeeded Ken Starr as independent counsel in the Whitewater investigation and advised Trump during his first impeachment, suggested that this is an ominous sign for Trump.

"They assume there will be a charging decision near, because all signs are that these cases both the January 6th investigations and the documents investigation case are wrapping up or coming close to wrapping up, and want to get in their say before anything might happen," said New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman. "I don't know how this will be received or taken. But yes, it speaks to the fact that they are taking this incredibly seriously and want to deal with it."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6198 on: May 24, 2023, 09:59:07 PM »
Congress should delve into Trump’s latest partnership with Saudis



News broke on Monday that special counsel Jack Smith subpoenaed the Trump Organization for financial information concerning deals it made with seven foreign countries as part of the investigation into classified documents found in the former president's Mar-a-Lago home.

As the report landed and sparked speculation that he might even be suspected of trying to make money from the documents, the man himself was bragging about his new Saudi-connected golf tournament.

"There is going to be great energy at the LIV Golf Tournament at @TrumpWashingtonDC this weekend," he said on Truth Social. The golf course is actually in Virginia. "Join me in watching incredible players including Dustin Johnson, Bryson DeChambeau, Cam Smith, Sergio Garcia, and so many more."

"The Republican-led House Oversight Committee has spent most of the past five months hard at work trying to link 'the Biden family' (read: relatives of President Biden but not Biden himself) to millions of dollars proffered by foreign business interests before Biden became president," wrote Philip Bump of the Washington Post.

"With the 2024 presidential campaign already at the top of the political conversation, the idea that some revelation might prove to be politically damaging to the incumbent is obviously a central motivation."

He noted that one would think the committee would be interested if a Democratic front-runner was raking in dough from a foreign business linked to a foreign leader. It might be especially concerning if the foreign leader had also been "implicated by U.S. intelligence in the murder of a journalist."

But when it comes to Donald Trump, the House Oversight Committee couldn't possibly care less, Bump said. "But all of that is true of Donald Trump, not Joe Biden, so no hearings should be expected."

The LIV Golf empire is a group of tournaments with "a well-paid coterie of golfers" that is paid by the Saudi Public Investment Fund (PIF), which is run by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. It's the same man who also reportedly gave Trump's son-in-law $2 billion.

"Mohammed, you will recall, was identified by U.S. intelligence officials as having approved the killing of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi," wrote Bump.

He cited a federal judge who presided over a lawsuit filed by LIV against the Professional Golfers' Association.

“It is plain that PIF is not a mere investor in LIV,” U.S. District Judge Susan van Keulen wrote. “it is the moving force behind the founding, funding, oversight, and operation of LIV.”

The New York Times also reported that LIV isn’t likely to be a good financial investment for the PIF. But it's making Donald Trump a lot of money. The implication is that the former president is cashing in on what he did for the Saudis while in the White House. Now that the DOJ is investigating the foreign Trump businesses surrounding the documents scandal, a former DOJ official questioned whether the Saudis also scored some government intelligence out of the deal too.

The first LIV tournament was at Trump's New Jersey golf course, where families of those killed in the Sept. 11 attacks demanded the event be scrapped. Many of the hijackers were tied back to Saudi Arabia, according to the 9/11 Commission report. When asked about the protests, Trump told the Wall Street Journal: “I don’t know much about the 9/11 families."

But LIV is the only option that Trump has because the PGA reportedly didn't want to be linked to the man being investigated for his alleged role in attempting to overturn the 2020 election.

"If only there were an institution within the federal government interested in publicly policing sketchy relationships between presidential candidates and foreign entities! Alas, there doesn’t appear to be," Bump complained, implying that the Justice Department isn't interested

Read the full column at the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/05/24/trump-saudis-golf-republicans/



Alvin Bragg's secret weapon against Trump revealed by legal experts



For weeks, a mystery has surrounded Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg's business fraud charges against former President Donald Trump. To enhance the charges from misdemeanors to felonies, Bragg has to establish that the fraud was done to conceal another, underlying crime.

But he hasn't revealed what that crime actually is, and has declined to provide a "bill of particulars" on request of Trump's legal team — something that Trump's allies have been quick to claim is proof the whole case is illegitimate.

But now, as several legal experts including Paula Junghans, Norm Eisen, Siven Watt, Joshua Stanton, and Fred Wertheimer write for Just Security, there are clear hints of what Bragg's legal basis is — and they say it's strong.

"The main facts of the case have been known for some time," they wrote. "DA Bragg alleges that, in October 2016, Trump had attorney Michael Cohen pay adult film actress Stormy Daniels (whose real name is Stephanie Clifford) a $130,000 payment to prevent her from publicizing an alleged sexual encounter she had with Trump.

"To conceal the hush money payment, it was agreed that Cohen would make the payment to Daniels via a shell company (Essential Consultants), on the agreement that Trump would later reimburse Cohen."

What ties this all together, they wrote – and what likely allows for the felony enhancement – is violations of tax law. And there are not just state statutes that apply here, but federal ones.

"Because Bragg’s response to the request for a bill of particulars leaves open the door that other offenses than those listed might also serve as the 'bump-up' predicates to the falsifying business records charges, in addition to New York state tax statutes, we also consider the possibility that prosecutors will attempt to leverage federal tax offenses for this purpose," they wrote.

"Two statutes appear most relevant: Declaration under Penalties of Perjury (26 U.S.C. 7206(1)), and Willful Assistance in Preparation of False or Fraudulent Tax Documents (26 U.S.C. 7206(2))."

In essence, these crimes involve deliberately misrepresenting finances on tax documents with intent to defraud the state. Some of these tax crimes are misdemeanors — but that doesn't matter, because business fraud to cover up a misdemeanor is still a felony.

"Whatever the effectiveness of such a bump-up based on the alleged primary campaign finance violations, pursuing an approach based upon state tax violations is wise and well grounded," they concluded.

"The strongest case involves statements to tax authorities falsely characterizing the payments to Michael Cohen as “legal fees,” rather than their true nature (reimbursements for a hush money payment). A strong case could also involve other variations on state criminal tax violations, as well as possible federal ones."

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'Trump team clearly expects charges' with Merrick Garland letter: MSNBC's Lemire



Donald Trump's lawyers sent a letter requesting a meeting with attorney general Merrick Garland, which MSNBC's Jonathan Lemire said was a signal that charges were imminent.

The former president posted a copy of the letter on his Truth Social website complaining special counsel Jack Smith's probe was unfair and unprecedented, but Lemire told "Morning Joe" their demand for the investigation's end was basically standard procedure in a criminal case.

"That's where this investigation is going to be about," Lemire said, referring to possible obstruction of justice. "[President Joe] Biden and [former vice president Mike] Pence also were found to have documents, the difference being they gave them right back and the Trump camp most certainly did not. Here's a question about whether or not they're worried about this, Trump posted to Truth Social last night a letter that his lawyers sent to Merrick Garland requesting a meeting about this, about [the] special counsel's investigation."

"The letter itself is full of bluster and whataboutisms, but here's the key: This is, in some ways, standard procedure," Lemire added. "It's sort of the last step before charges, when the lawyers for the defendant go talk to prosecutor and ask them not to pursue charges or to pursue milder charges. This is usually a clue that a charging decision is imminent. So the Trump team clearly expects they're going to hear sooner than later whether Trump is going to be charged, and the fact that they're asking for this meeting suggests that they think that he will."

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'Globes everywhere!': Georgia GOP official pushes Flat Earth conspiracy theory



A former Republican candidate for Georgia governor recently elected as a district-level GOP chair is now pushing conspiracy theories that the Earth is flat, reported Rolling Stone on Wednesday.

Kandiss Taylor is best known for her campaign touring Georgia in a bus that said "Jesus, Guns, Babies."

"In an interview with David Weiss (AKA 'Flat Earth Dave') and Matt Long on her 'Jesus, Guns, and Babies' podcast, Taylor and her guests discussed biblical 'evidence' that the Earth is actually flat as a pancake. 'The people that defend the globe don’t know anything about the globe,' said Weiss. 'If they knew a tenth of what Matt and I know about the globe they would be Flat Earthers,'" reported Nikki McCann Ramirez. "'All the globes, everywhere' Taylor said later in the discussion. 'I turn on the TV, there’s globes in the background … Everywhere there’s globes. You see them all the time, it’s constant. My children will be like ‘Mama, globe, globe, globe, globe’ — they’re everywhere.'"

There are several variants of the Flat Earth conspiracy theory, but the most common idea is that Earth is a disk, with the North Pole in the center, and Antarctica as a giant wall of ice along the "edge," and the Sun and Moon as small objects rotating in circles above the plane.

It is trivially simple to prove the Earth is spherical in a variety of ways, from observing ocean-faring ships disappear below the horizon with any decent pair of binoculars, to observing the way the Sun, Moon, and stars move across the sky, which would not be possible if they were simply above a flat plane. Gravity, likewise, wouldn't make any sense without a spherical Earth, because then there would be no center of mass that affects everyone at all points of the Earth's surface.

For Taylor, however, the mere fact that the globe is a popular image is proof that there's some unspecified "conspiracy" of people forcing globes onto others.

“That’s what they do, to brainwash,” Taylor told Weiss and Long. “For me if it’s not a conspiracy. If it is real, why are you pushing so hard everywhere I go? Every store, you buy a globe, there’s globes everywhere. Every movie, every TV show, news media — why? More and more I’m like, it doesn’t make sense."

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Hutchinson: Marjorie Taylor Greene discussed QAnon with Trump, Meadows



Former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson testified that Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) brought up QAnon several times with former President Trump and former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, according to newly released transcripts of her depositions with the Jan. 6 committee.

“I remember Marjorie Taylor Greene bringing QAnon up several times, though, in the presence of the president, privately with Mark,” Hutchinson said in a June 20 interview with the committee.

“I remember Mark having a few conversations, too, about — more specific to QAnon stuff and more about the idea that they had with the election and, you know, not as much pertaining to the planning of the January 6th rally,” she added.

Hutchinson, whose testimony was central to the Jan. 6 committee’s public hearings this summer, met several times with the panel, including for the May and June depositions released on Tuesday.

The former White House aide testified in a May 17 interview that Greene approached Meadows while they were in Georgia and told him that her QAnon supporters were headed to the “Stop the Steal” rally in Washington, D.C., on Jan. 6, 2021, which ultimately preceded the riot at the Capitol.

“Ms. Greene came up and began talking to us about QAnon and QAnon going to the rally, and she had a lot of constituents that are QAnon, and they’ll all be there,” Hutchinson said. “And she was showing him pictures of them traveling up to Washington, D.C., for the rally on the 6th.”

The congresswoman also spoke with Trump about her QAnon supporters ahead of the Jan. 6 riot, Hutchinson testified.

“I heard him talk on the plane that night because Ms. Taylor Greene gave him a very similar spiel: These are my constituents. Look, one of them had a Q shirt on. They are on the plane,” Hutchinson said. “And she showed him a picture of them, saying: Those are all my people.”

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3790642-hutchinson-marjorie-taylor-greene-discussed-qanon-with-trump-meadows/