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DOJ is investigating Jeffrey Clark for conspiracy, obstruction and false statements



Donald Trump loyalist Jeffrey Clark, allegedly one of the top people inside the Department of Justice seeking to overturn the 2020 election, is being investigated for felony violations of false statements, conspiracy, and obstruction.

"Clark’s legal team wrote that on June 20 'approximately a dozen armed agents of the Department of Justice’s Office of Inspector General executed a criminal search warrant at [Mr. Clark’s] home at around 7 a.m. and seized his electronic devices' as part of an investigation into violations of laws concerning false statements, conspiracy and obstruction, according to a report published Wednesday by a committee of the DC Bar’s Board on Professional Responsibility," CNN reported. "This is the first time a document has named the specifics of what the Justice Department is considering as possible crimes, as it looks at the top circle of political players around then-President Donald Trump before January 6."

The disciplinary hearing in front of the DC Bar is separate from the criminal investigation into Clark.

"The attorney discipline committee’s report released Wednesday quoted an assertion Clark made in a still-confidential filing where he discloses the details of the search of his home. He had argued to the ethics authorities that his proceedings there should be on hold while the DOJ and other authorities investigate him," CNN reported. "Trump toyed with the idea of firing the Justice Department’s top leadership and installing Clark, after Clark tried to push the department toward questioning the former President’s election loss."

Clark was also separately subpoenaed by the House Select Committee Investigating the Jan. 6 Attack on the U.S. Capitol.

"According to a report released last week by the Senate Committee on the Judiciary, there is credible evidence that, while serving as an official at the Department of Justice, Mr. Clark was involved in efforts to interrupt the peaceful transfer of power," the select committee wrote. "Mr. Clark proposed delivery of a letter to state legislators in Georgia and others encouraging to delay certification of election results. Moreover, he recommended holding a press conference announcing that the Department was investigating allegations of voter fraud despite the lack of evidence that such fraud was present. Both proposals were rejected by Department senior leadership for lacking a factual basis and being inconsistent with the Department’s institutional role."

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'Shocking' new book claims Trump offered West Bank to Jordan’s King Abdullah II

Former President Donald Trump caused panic when he offered to give away one of the most contested pieces of land in the Middle East.

On Wednesday, The Washington Post reported, "President Trump once offered what he considered 'a great deal' to Jordan’s King Abdullah II: control of the West Bank, whose Palestinian population long sought to topple the monarchy. 'I thought I was having a heart attack,' Abdullah II recalled to an American friend in 2018, according to a new book on the Trump presidency being published next week. 'I couldn’t breathe. I was bent doubled-over.'"

The book also documents Trump's difficulties with his own cabinet.

"Several top officials 'were on the verge of quitting en masse,' according to the book, citing an October 2018 message Kirstjen Nielsen, the homeland security secretary, wrote to a top aide over the encrypted app Signal," the newspaper reported. "Chief of Staff John F. Kelly, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, and Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke 'all' wanted to quit, Nielsen wrote, according to the book."

The book also details Trump's efforts to punish his perceived enemies, including CNN, Jeff Bezos, James Clapper, John Brennan, and the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.

“Let’s just cancel it,” Trump reportedly told Nielsen.

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Trump is 'unhappy and displeased' someone in his inner circle is cooperating with the DOJ: reporter



Washington Post reporter Carol Leonnig and former acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal explained that it was almost certain based on the information that was included in the Justice Department court filings that they most likely had an inside source.

Speaking to MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace on Thursday, Leonnig said it might be the reason that folks reportedly said Trump was "unhappy and displeased" while he was at his Virginia golf course this week.

"While there are a lot of conspiracy theories floating around about why he was there, his mood is pretty obvious," Leonnig explained. "He is on multiple fronts under investigation. And he knows, based on all the subpoenas flying around, and some were returned, including Mark Meadows, the request by DOJ for texts, all these things flying around have given the Department of Justice a lot of information. He must know by now as well, Nicole, that somebody in his inner circle, somebody close to him, close to him at Mar-a-Lago, close to him in his White House has been cooperating with the Department of Justice to make clear that there was a high degree of certainty that they would find classified records. Still at Mar-a-Lago after Donald Trump's lawyers insisted they had done a diligent search and none were to be found."

She went on to say that based on what legal analysts have said and the activity of the Justice Department, they may refer it to potential obstruction of justice, potential retention and concealment of government records.

"They are at the place where there's a lot of subpoenas flying around, and that is was Donald Trump or some of his aides and allies engaged in a seditious conspiracy to start that pretty frightening insurrection at our Capitol on January 6th?" she asked.

Katyal agreed with Leonnig, noting that it's clear that Trump is scared, referring to Betsy Woodruff Swan's reports saying that Trump has paid his lawyer at least $3 million from the "Save America PAC."

"$3 million is extraordinary, extraordinary money to do a case," said Katyal. "If you talked to the general counsel of any large company, they'll say maybe a couple of times we've done that and paid that much for a case. But that's a lot. That means there's one of two possibilities. Possibility one is that this lawyer, who was the former Florida solicitor general is demanding a super premium because he's never going to work again."

The second option is that he's overwhelmed with the legal work to do.

"I do think it's remarkable that Trump does at the end of the day manage to find new legal counsel when virtually every attorney that has gone near him thus far wound up the source of a federal probe or ethics violations or this and that," Katyal said. "But $3 million evidently he's talked to at least one person."

The host went on to ask about the possibility of the insider giving the DOJ all of the info.

"It would seem that [the DOJ] is aided by someone who can point them to surveillance footage, by someone who could say, 'There's still more,' or 'It's not all in the storage room, check the office,'" Wallace noted.

Katyal said that the obstruction case was "very strong" against Trump after the search. If it turns out there are more documents he hasn't turned over despite the subpoena and the search warrant, it's guaranteed.

"I think most people that worked at the Justice Department have said, Nicole, they must have a source or sources on the inside," he continued. "It's just too hard to think they would have known to go in, know where exactly to go in, and get these documents. So, I certainly think there is a source or sources on the inside. I also think that Donald Trump himself recognizes it.

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« Reply #5922 on: September 15, 2022, 10:38:40 PM »
'Most worried Trumpworld has ever been' -- and they're waiting for 'another shoe to drop': MSNBC's Lemire



The Jan. 6 Committee has received thousands of new pieces of evidence from the U.S. Secret Service, and MSNBC's Jonathan Lemire said the latest developments in that investigation has struck fear into Trumpworld.

Committee chairman Bennie Thompson (D-MS) said Wednesday that investigators had received text messages, radio traffic and other "significant" evidence from the agency, and panel member Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) agreed lawmakers had received a "large volume of information" the Secret Service fought against releasing.

"Yeah, for most of Trump's time in office and even in his first months out of office, those around him felt like he was almost bulletproof, that he could get by any scandal here," Lemire told "Morning Joe." "Whether it was the Mueller probe or some congressional investigations, even impeachment, that he emerged largely politically unscathed."

"That has changed and in this story," said Lemire, the White House bureau chief for Politico. "We talked to a number of people in the former president's orbit who have been downright spooked by recent developments in Atlanta, D.C., the Jan. 6 committee and, the last few days, dozens of Trump aides received subpoenas. Some had their phones seized, including Mr. Pillow, and there's a sense here, there's paranoia in Trumpworld as to who might be cooperating, text chains have gone silent. There are worries about who might be talking to investigators, and they worry that aides tell us they could be next."

The Department of Justice has not given any indication whether Trump will be charged criminally, or when that might potentially happen, but Lemire said that uncertainty has sent a chill through the former president's orbit.

"DOJ is working quietly, but even the sight of the former president arriving in Washington the other day sparked fears in his orbit that perhaps he was being called in by the Department of Justice," Lemire said. "Turns out he was visiting his golf course in suburban Virginia. The sense from Trumpworld, each and every day, there's a bad headline, another shoe is set to drop, and they do worry that there's more below the surface they're not seeing it. This is the most worried the Trumpworld has ever been, I would say, of the possibility of legal peril for the former president."

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Georgia DA finds credible allegations that serious crimes have been committed in Trump election fraud inquiry: report



Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis announced Thursday that her office has found credible allegations that serious crimes have been committed in the Donald Trump election fraud case in Georgia, the Washington Post reported.

The scandal began when the former president pressured Georgia officials to change the 2020 election results. In a recorded phone call with Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, Trump demanded that he "find 11,780 votes."

The special grand jury has questioned several top Republicans involved in the election and who either directly witnessed what could be considered a conspiracy to commit election fraud. At one point, Trump's then-chief of staff, Mark Meadows, flew down to Atlanta, Georgia with the demand to speak to election officials. The officials were uncomfortable with Meadows and any administration officials putting pressure on their office, while fully understanding that Trump lost the election, according to text messages.

“The allegations are very serious. If indicted and convicted, people are facing prison sentences,” Fulton County District Attorney Willis told The Post.

“A decision is going to have to be made,” on whether to ask Trump to testify, “and I imagine it’s going to be made late this fall," she also said.

She also made it clear that she put a stop to any grand jury information during the primary election to avoid allegations that she was behaving in a political manner. She will also stop the panel on Oct. 7 to ensure the month prior to the election is similarly quiet.

She also said that the probe would be finished calling witnesses by the end of the year.

Previously, Willis suggested that the elector's scandal, the pressuring of officials and threats against election officials could be prosecuted using Georgia's conspiracy and anti-racketeering or RICO laws.

“The RICO statute allows you to tell jurors the full story” of a complex conspiracy, Willis explained. “It’s a great statute for prosecutors."

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« Reply #5924 on: September 16, 2022, 10:39:45 AM »
Trump is 'incredibly worried' Jeff Clark will flip on him as conspiracy charges are prepared: expert

On Thursday's edition of MSNBC's "The Beat," former acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal reacted to the new reports that the Justice Department is investigating former Donald Trump Justice Department official Jeffrey Clark is under investigation for conspiracy, false statements, and obstruction.

Clark, who pushed conspiracy theories at the DOJ and planned to pressure Georgia officials to throw out the election, would be one of the highest ranking officials so far to be charged as a result of the 2020 coup plot. But, said Katyal, it could also put Trump himself in jeopardy.

"You see Jeffrey Clark, who was at one time slotted to be an inexperienced coup attorney general by Trump, going into January 6th," said anchor Ari Melber. "Now we're learning they were looking at, among other things, conspiracy. What does that tell you?"

"It tells me a lot," said Katyal. "So conspiracy is a very flexible doctrine that prosecutors can use, and the key thing about it — it goes all the way back to like the 17th century — that it doesn't require the completion of a crime. It's called an inchoate crime. If you and I agree to rob a bank, that's a crime, even if we end up not doing it, as long as there's an act and furtherance of it. I wrote a whole Yale journal about how this doctrine is a flexible tool for prosecutors to use because it allows people to flip and turn in information to law enforcement."

All of this, argued Katyal, means that Trump — who already apparently has insiders giving the FBI information — should be "incredibly worried" that Clark could flip on him. And the fact that he hired a new lawyer for $3 million upfront is an indication he already is.

"If you talk to the general counsel of any company in the country and you say, what kind of case would you spend $3 million on, it's usually something with a ton of legal work," said Katyal. "And so that suggests to me that's what's going on here. Trump understands that this is not just a small document dispute or something like that between January 6th and this. It's a massive criminal investigation, as it should be."

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Former CIA chief: Trump committed obstruction of justice

On MSNBC Thursday, former CIA Director John Brennan accused former President Donald Trump of obstruction of justice for his efforts to conceal documents at Mar-a-Lago.

This comes as the FBI has seized material as part of a criminal investigation into the matter — an investigation currently put on hold by a Trump-appointed judge who has agreed to the former president's request to have a special master review all the documents.

"Let's give him the most generous read," said anchor Nicolle Wallace. "Even if he unwittingly took hundreds of the most sensitive intelligence documented created by our documents, human intelligence, things that aren't supposed to leave the originator. The government went in to get what wasn't turned over. Even then, there were lies told by Trump's team. If you have to offer the same sort of analysis of hoarding of state secrets, where do you come down?"

"It was intentional," said Brennan. "He knew he shouldn't have those documents. This absurd claim he declassified things is just absurd. There's no way. The fact that he brought them down there — it does seem as though there was a fair amount of obstruction of justice as they were moved around. The National Archives and Department of Justice were told untruths."

The whole situation, argued Brennan, is similar to the behavior Trump exhibited during the Russia investigation — and in that case, as well, seasoned prosecutors who investigated the matter concluded that the former president and his allies had likely committed obstruction.

"You are talking about the investigation into Russian interference in the election and Bill Barr's blatant mischaracterization what the Mueller Report found, the Mueller Report found although there was collusion, there wasn't the evidence that he was able to uncover for criminal conspiracy," said Brenna. "I would think criminal conspiracy here in terms of trying to avoid any type of understanding that these documents were in Mar-a-Lago is something that I think Donald Trump and others are vulnerable to potential future indictment."

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« Reply #5926 on: September 16, 2022, 10:41:52 PM »
It wouldn't matter to MAGA Republicans because they are a deranged radicalized cult. And yet these cultists pretend to be "religious".....what a joke!       


Lindsey Graham said Trump 'could kill fifty people on our side and it wouldn’t matter' to GOP voters: new book



A new book from reporters Peter Baker and Susan Glasser quotes Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) as backing up former President Donald Trump's claim that he could get away with murder and Republican voters would still support him.

The Independent has obtained a copy of Baker and Glasser's new book, called "The Divider," and has found that Graham told them during Trump's first impeachment trial that there was very little anyone could do to dislodge Trump as the leader of the GOP, no matter how many crimes or misdeeds he committed.

"He could kill fifty people on our side and it wouldn’t matter," Graham explained.

The South Carolina senator also let Glasser and Baker know that he wasn't blind to some of the twice-impeached former president's shortcomings, as he also described Trump as a "lying m*********r" who was nonetheless "a lot of fun to hang out with."

Graham's relationship with Trump has been the subject of much curiosity over the years, as during the 2016 campaign he refused to endorse him and said Trump was both racist and crazy.

Now, however, Graham has become one of Trump's most ardent defenders, even after he incited a riot at the Capitol in which his supporters chanted for the hanging of Vice President Mike Pence.

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Watch: Arizona Speaker explains why he would not violate his oath for Trump’s coup attempt

Arizona state House Speaker Rusty Bowers explained why he would not violate his oath of office as Donald Trump sought to overturn the 2020 presidential election.

Bowers' statements were teased by CNN's Jake Tapper in a tease of a special to air over the weekend.

"I'm going to take a deeper dive into Donald Trump's and his allies to overturn the 2020 election in a brand-new CNN special report," Tapper said. "One of the people I spoke down with Rusty Bowers. Bowers detailed the phone call that he got from Trump and Rudy Giuliani and their attempts to throw out Arizona's legitimate election results."

Tapper teased a clip from his interview with Bowers.

"I can't give you the exact numbers, but they're kind of of the audacious numbers. Like, 200,000 illegal aliens voted. 6,000 military ballots were stolen and used," Bowers said.

The GOP legislator said, "I have never, ever heard of that and so, now you're asking me to do something that's against my oath and I -- I'm not going to do that."

Earlier this year, Bowers told the January 6 committee about phone calls from Trump and his allies asking him to decertify Arizona’s legitimate electors and replace them. Bowers said he repeatedly asked Trump's attorneys to show evidence of widespread fraud, but they never provided any.

“You are asking me to do something against my oath, and I will not break my oath,” Bowers said he told them. He recalled John Eastman, a chief architect of Trump's plan to create slates of fake electors, telling him to “just do it and let the courts sort it out.”

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Chaos in Trumpland as ex-president’s lawyers keep committing blunders: NYT



Donald Trump's legal team is in chaos as he confronts investigations in Georgia, New York, and Washington, D.C.

On Friday, The New York Times reported, "Trump’s legal team has been distinguished in recent months mostly by infighting and the legal problems that some of its members appear to have gotten themselves into in the course of defending him."

The report noted former Trump White House lawyer Eric Hershmann failed to get guidance on how to respond to questions of executive privilege or attorney-client privilege.

"Mr. Trump has also just brought on a well-regarded lawyer, Christopher M. Kise, the former solicitor general of Florida, to help lead his legal team, after being rejected by a handful of others he had sought out, including former U.S. attorneys with experience in the jurisdictions where the investigations are unfolding," the newspaper reported. "Mr. Kise agreed to work for the former president for a $3 million fee, an unusually high retainer for Mr. Trump to agree to, according to two people familiar with the figure. Mr. Kise did not respond to an email seeking comment."

The newspaper noted Trump attorney Evan Corcoran may need to recuse himself.

"Two members of the Trump legal team working on the documents case, Mr. Corcoran and Christina Bobb, have subjected themselves to scrutiny by federal law enforcement officials over assurances they provided to prosecutors and federal agents in June that the former president had returned all sensitive government documents kept in his residence and subpoenaed by a grand jury, according to people familiar with the situation," the newspaper reported. "That assertion was proved to be untrue after the search of Mar-a-Lago in August turned up more than 100 additional documents with classification markings."

Bobb has retained defense lawyer John Lauro.

"Mr. Corcoran, the son of a former Republican congressman from Illinois, has told associates that he is the former president’s 'main' lawyer and has insisted to colleagues that he does not need to retain his own counsel, as Ms. Bobb has," The Times reported. "But several Trump associates have said privately that they believe Mr. Corcoran cannot continue in his role on the documents investigation. That view is shared by some of Mr. Trump’s advisers, who have suggested Mr. Corcoran needs to step away, in part because of his own potential legal exposure and in part because he has had little experience with criminal defense work beyond his stint as a federal prosecutor for the U.S. attorney in Washington more than two decades ago."

The newspaper reported Trump's defense team is being run by an aide whose phone was seized by the FBI.

"Mr. Trump has at least 10 lawyers working on the main investigations he faces," the newspaper reported. "To the extent anyone is regarded as a quarterback of the documents and Jan. 6-related legal teams, it is Boris Epshteyn, a former campaign adviser and Georgetown Law School graduate. Some aides tried to block his calls to Mr. Trump in 2020, according to former White House officials, but Mr. Epshteyn now works as an in-house counsel to Mr. Trump and speaks with him several times a day."

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Former Trump aide claims Mark Meadows could be cooperating with DOJ more than we know

Donald Trump's former White House director of strategic communication suggested on CNN that Mark Meadows is actively cooperating with the Department of Justice.

Alyssa Farah Griffin was interviewed on Friday by CNN's Erin Burnett.

"I do think what's interesting about this is it signals that Meadows is -- I think that he's probably cooperating more than we realize with the Department of Justice," Griffin said.

"Okay," Burnett replied. "So if that's the case, that means that he is, what, maybe trying to make up for things like this? Or, I mean, who knows? Do you think it's possible that he is now cooperating a lot more maybe, in part, because of a statement like that, which was, at best, clueless and lazy and at worst a lie?"

"I think so," Griffin responded. "And also the fact that we haven't heard him on the airwaves trying to defend Trump or anything like it."

"So I think they have reached out to him and then he's either cooperating because he's a direct witness or he's cooperating because he has a certain level of criminal jeopardy," Griffin explained. "And the implications go beyond Mar-a-Lago because if he is cooperating and flips, that might implicate President Trump and all sorts of things with respect to Jan. 6, because I think he'd be a key witness against him."

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