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« Reply #5624 on: August 02, 2022, 02:11:06 AM »
Even Trump supporters are tired of hearing him whine about being wronged all the time: NYT reporter



New York Times reporter Jeremy Peters spoke to MSNBC on Monday about his recent report that the Fox network and Rupert Murdoch outlets are pushing Donald Trump away.

Quoting the piece Nicolle Wallace on "Deadline White House" noted that Trump hasn't been interviewed on the network for 100 days.

"Fox has largely avoided showing him live and instead has boosted other Republicans," said Wallace, noting that the network has resisted showing Trump's events live.

Peters explained that the Fox network never makes decisions that aren't based on their audience.

"By not showing Donald Trump understand that their audience will be fine with not seeing Donald Trump on an endless loop as he was shown for so many years during his White House and his two presidential campaigns," said Peters. "I don't think that means Fox has broken up with Trump and he's been complaining about this because they've been putting on Ron DeSantis. Ron DeSantis was on Fox interviews twice in less than five days and that kind of stuff drives Trump crazy because as much as he may like to pick fights with media, Fox included, he ultimately needs them. And where he prefers to be is at the center of the news cycle and that's not where he is right now."

He went on to say that the main reason that the Murdochs have moved on from Trump is that he won't stop talking about the 2020 election being stolen from him. While Trump has persuaded his followers to promote his conspiracy, it's a small percentage of the American public.

"What I think the Murdochs are on to is that most swing voters, the vast majority of the swing voters that you have left, and the Independents and even many Trump supporters, don't want to hear him complaining all of the time," Peters explained. "They don't want to hear him make this all about him, how he's been robbed and he has to go and avenge this grave injustice perpetrated [against him]. They do tire of hearing his whining and that's what the Murdochs have zeroed in on."

Former Republican strategist Tim Miller explained that they're not going to do anything to make Trump disappear but if they could snap their fingers and make it happen, they would.

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« Reply #5625 on: August 02, 2022, 07:21:07 AM »
'Nothing is off limits': Trump has convinced his followers that they're in a 'fight to the death'



In a column for The Atlantic, a former speechwriter for President Ronald Reagan and both Presidents Bush made the case that Donald Trump has convinced his most ardent followers that the country will collapse into chaos and "savagery" if he is not reinstated into his rightful place as president of the United States.

As Peter Wehner, a frequent critic of the former president sees it, Trump has led his fans to believe that "nothing is off limits" when it comes to the "America First" ideology that led to the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol.

Using Trump's speech before the America First Policy Institute (AFPI) last week as a jumping-off point, Wehner wrote that the former president's "disordered personality" was on display, writing, "What he cares about is the performative part of politics, inflaming people’s passions, creating chaos and conflict."

According to the columnist, Trump is a master at ramping up "fear, hate and grievances" which he has put to good use last week and at his recent rallies.

"Trump used his speech to portray his opponents as not just misguided but wicked and therefore suitable objects of hate," he wrote and cited the foirmer president telling the AFPI crowd, "“Despite great outside dangers, our biggest threat in this country remains the sick, sinister, and evil people from within," and then warning, "“But no matter how big or powerful the corrupt radicals that we’re fighting against may be, no matter how menacing they appear, we must never forget this nation does not belong to them. This nation belongs to you, the American people."

Adding that what Trump has done "in the eyes of his supporters is to set up a clash of epic, almost biblical proportions," the columnist added that to them it is a battle between "the children of light versus the children of darkness, patriots versus traitors, the decent versus the depraved. In an existential conflict such as this, everything is permissible; nothing is off limits."

Suggesting, "This is a fight to the death," the conservative author said of the 2024 presidential election, ,"Whether Trump wins or not, he has left an imprint on the Republican Party. In 2016, Trump was the outlier, a political freak. Today his inclinations, his enmities, his style of politics define the GOP."

"Whoever leads the Republican Party in the years ahead, the fear, grievances, and hate Trump poured into the cauldron won’t dissipate anytime soon. If and when the GOP finally does break away from the dark, fanatical, cultlike qualities that now characterize it, it will do so because the people who compose and define it seek—even if imperfectly—what is true and good and honorable," he wrote before concluding, "For the Republican Party, the only way out is the way up."

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« Reply #5626 on: August 02, 2022, 07:27:25 AM »
Trump welcomed Cassidy Hutchinson on his post-presidency team despite claims he didn't: report



Business Insider has obtained documents that they say show Cassidy Hutchinson was working with former President Donald Trump even after he left office.

Trump and his allies have set their sights on attacking Hutchinson after she testified to the House Select Committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack and the effort to overthrow the 2020 election. Hutchinson was previously working with a lawyer paid for by Trump's political action committee, but several months ago, it was revealed she switched to her own counsel. It turned commentators to suspect it meant she was walking away from Trump World to cooperate with the committee. Up until that point, she had been quietly on the team.

Pro-Trump Trump lawyer Stefan Passantino was previously the one representing Hutchinson and he was paid by political donations.

"Federal Election Commission reports show that his legal compliance firm received more than $1 million from Trump-related political action committees in the 2021-22 election cycle, and that in the previous cycle Marjorie Taylor Greene, a staunch Trump loyalist and a House candidate at the time, paid him more than $93,000 for his services," New York Times, reporter Robert Draper wrote in July.

Insider reported that documents from the General Services Administration (GSA) show that Hutchinson was working for Trump's post-presidency office, formally known as the "Presidential Transition Support Team, 2021 Outgoing Transition." She worked on the efforts until April 2021 and was salaried at $90,000 annually. Giving an annual salary would indicate that a person would be working for more than a month.

Sunday evening it was reported by Rolling Stone that Trump's lawyers were already at work trying to beat criminal charges that they anticipate will likely come from the Department of Justice. A significant piece of information in the piece said that the Trump legal team kicked their efforts into high gear after Hutchinson testified in the public hearings.

Following Hutchinson's testimony, Trump attacked her, saying that she wasn't mentally sound and calling her "crazy." He never fully disputed her claims, however.

Trump's former deputy chief of staff, Tony Ornato, who now works at the Secret Service, was among those named by Hutchinson as present during many of the discussions about Jan. 6. After her testimony, the Secret Service said that Ornato and other agents would testify publicly that she was lying, but they still haven't done so.

The GSA documents showing the short employment of Hutchinson are part of Trump's ongoing attacks on her testimony, where he questioned why she went to work for him after Jan. 20 "if she felt we were so terrible." It's the same question activists have asked in the wake of her testimony: if she felt like Trump was so terrifying, why she stay at the White House after Jan. 6?

However, the same question could be used to question Trump's attacks on her. The ex-president claimed that he hardly knew Hutchinson, who was pictured with him on several occasions, and that he turned her down for post-presidency work. The GSA documents prove that wasn't true. In fact, he paid her until April 1, 2021.

"I understand that she was very upset and angry that I didn't want her to go, or be a member of the team. She is bad news!" said Trump in a post on his social media network. If he "didn't want her to be a member of the team," it's unclear why he paid her a salary and continued to pay for legal fees.

Hutchinson was never part of Trump's circle until the final year of the administration when she came to the White House with Chief of Staff Mark Meadows. Details about Hutchinson prior to her testimony describe her as Meadows' shadow, present at all of his congressional meetings and

CNN reported in June that Trump was "nervous" and "blindsided" by Hutchinson's testimony.

While Hutchinson cooperated with the Jan. 6 committee, she is now also cooperating with the Justice Department.

Media outlets reached out to Hutchinson through a friend. But she is not speaking to the media.

Read the GSA documents at Business Insider below:

https://www.businessinsider.com/cassidy-hutchinson-work-for-trump-january-6-attack-select-committee-2022-8

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« Reply #5627 on: August 02, 2022, 07:30:32 AM »
Former FBI official says Matt Gaetz and Roger Stone know they're 'screwed' without Trump's pardon

Over the weekend, it was revealed that a documentary crew following Roger Stone recorded a conversation between him and Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) about using members of congress to ensure he got a pardon for keeping his mouth shut in Robert Mueller's investigation.

Speaking to the audio and video posted by the Washington Post, former FBI official Frank Figliuzzi said that videos like this show the mafia-like operation within Trump world.

Figliuzzi pointed out that at one point Gaetz even tells Stone that he doesn't have a defense. Gaetz also read the formerly redacted pieces of the Mueller report and he's not supposed to talk about it. But Gaetz was more than willing to give Stone the details.

"The larger ramifications here, you know, are hinted at with regard to Stone saying, I'm going to be counting on you and about a dozen others, right?" Figliuzzi quoted. "A dozen others? Really? Who are going to lobby the president of the United States on a criminal's behalf and try to get a pardon for themselves and for you, Roger? It's a much larger conspiracy than I think even those of us who followed it every day could have imagined."

He also said that there is a consistent mentality of "we're all in this together" reflected among those in Trump's circle.

"You know, the Cosa Nostra, the Italian mafia, translates as 'this thing of ours,'" Figliuzzi said. "That's all I keep hearing here. We're all in this together. I've listened to court-authorized wiretaps of mobsters talking to each other and it sounds like this. There's better food around, by the way, but it sounds just like this. And they're part of a criminal enterprise, Nicolle. It's a criminal organization. They know it. They know they're screwed with regard to legality, and they know the only way out is for the boss to get them out of it."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5628 on: August 02, 2022, 07:39:38 AM »
Trump and 11 other Republicans should be investigated for  seditious conspiracy — according to the former Michigan GOP director

State Rep. Joe Tate (D-Detroit) joined the former head of the Michigan GOP and a national elections expert on Thursday to talk Jan. 6 committee hearings in the U.S. House, while doubling down on his call to have some of his GOP colleagues investigated.
“An assault on our democracy, to steal the vote from the people and subvert our election results in Michigan, is an assault on our nation and its founding ideals,” Tate said.

The Democrat joined Jeff Timmer, former Michigan GOP executive director who is now a consultant for both the Lincoln Project and Democratic Attorney General Dana Nessel’s campaign; and Noah Bookbinder, president of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics (CREW) for the virtual press conference.

Tate last week introduced a House resolution urging the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) to investigate 11 Republican House members for the crime of seditious conspiracy.

State Reps. Gary Eisen (R-St. Clair Twp.), John Reilly (R-Oakland Twp.), Julie Alexander (R-Hanover), Matt Maddock (R-Milford), Daire Rendon (R-Lake City), Beth Griffin (R-Mattawan), Michele Hoitenga (R-Manton), Brad Paquette (R-Niles), Rodney Wakeman (R-Saginaw Twp.), Greg Mark....n (R-Hancock) and Jack O’Malley (R-Lake Ann) all put their names to briefs in a failed lawsuit that sought to overturn election results.

Maddock, Rendon, Reilly, Griffin and Alexander also attempted to enter the Michigan Capitol on Dec. 14, 2020, with a slate of 16 fake Republican electors.

During the virtual press conference Thursday, Tate said he has only had “brief interactions” with the Republicans who were named in his resolution since introducing it, but “nothing in terms of substance.” He did not elaborate what the interactions entailed.

When pressed on why he specifically believes the 11 state representatives may have committed the crime of seditious conspiracy — a federal offense that carries up to 20 years in prison — Tate said the members went against their oath of office to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution.

“For us not to look into this … it reduces the faith and confidence in our elected system as well as our democratic institutions,” Tate said.

Tate, Timmer and Bookbinder also discussed how former President Donald Trump and his allies, including in key states like Michigan, attempted to illegally overthrow the election in his favor. They cited the Jan. 6 House panel, which recently held its final hearing this summer and showcased what Trump failed to do during the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.

The press conference was hosted by the Defend Democracy Project.

“I, at least, have been blown away by how much we have learned at every single one of those eight hearings, and particularly what we’ve learned in terms of the vast evidence of what Donald Trump and his allies knew,” Bookbinder said.

Reiterating that Trump knew he had rightfully lost the election but chose to pursue the election anyway, Bookbinder added: “When you have a president who seeks to stay in power, despite losing an election, despite the will of the people, that is an attempt to install a dictator. That is an attempt to install a dictatorship.”

Timmer served as the Michigan Republican Party Executive Director from 2005 to 2009. He left the party during the Trump era.

“I never thought I would have to be standing here, telling my former Republican colleagues that truth and facts matter,” Timmer said.

He shared that within conversations he’s had with high level officials in the Republican Party, those officials say that the “rhetoric from Trump on down about the stolen election has left them with no choice but to continue this … façade.”

“They know that there wasn’t fraud, that there weren’t irregularities, but they feel that they have no choice given where their base, where their voters come down on this issue.”

Timmer emphasized that this effort did not stop after Jan. 6, 2021, but it is a process that is “continuing.”

“There are still efforts being made to install election deniers in these county canvassing positions or equivalent in other states, where they’re looking to put in place people who will throw wrenches into the certification of the 2022 election and the 2024 election, depending on whether or not their side wins or loses.

“If democracy has to rely on who is counting the votes, rather than we all trust in the fairness of who’s counting the votes, we’re in real trouble.”

On Tate’s resolution to investigate the Michigan representatives, Bookbinder zeroed in on Maddock, Rendon, Reilly, Griffin and Alexander and said they could be particularly exposed to possible charges since they attempted to push through the slate of false electors.

“It is clear that the fake elector scheme is one that is of central interest to the Department of Justice,” Bookbinder said.

“The efforts to substitute false slates of electors seems straight down the middle violation of that federal offense, at the very least. So I think for Michigan state representatives who were centrally involved in those efforts to push through a false slate of electors, there really could be some exposure there.”

https://michiganadvance.com/2022/07/29/former-michigan-gop-director-says-trump-11-reps-should-be-investigated-for-big-lie-efforts/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5629 on: August 02, 2022, 08:14:19 AM »
While 'Trump was taking Saudi blood money – Biden was killing terrorists': Experts weigh in on al-Qaeda news



Experts are weighing in on Monday evening's historic news that under the direction of President Joe Biden Americans have killed the top leader of al-Qaeda, the top terrorist who succeeded Osama bin Laden and was a top architect of the 9/11 terror attacks.

"A CIA drone strike has killed al-Qaida leader Ayman al-Zawahri in Afghanistan, according to five people familiar with the matter," the Associated Press reports. "Current and former officials began hearing Sunday afternoon that al-Zawahri had been killed in a drone strike, but the administration delayed releasing the information until his death could be confirmed, according to one person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the matter."

The killing of the top terrorist is said to validate President Joe Biden's decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan, which he received tremendous criticism for more than one year ago.

“To kill Americans and their allies — civilian and military — is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in every country in which it is possible to do it,” The Washington Post reports "Zawahiri wrote in a 1998 manifesto."

"Three years later, he would put words into action by helping to plan the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon."

"My first reaction: tears of relief," said counterterrorism expert, former Republican, and former Trump administration DHS official Elizabeth Neumann. "Justice for 9/11 families and all of the many men and women that have been fighting since to keep us safe at home and abroad. The threat remains. But tonight we can be soberly grateful for justice."

Neumann served in several roles at the Trump DHS including as Deputy Chief of Staff to DHS Secretary John Kelly and Acting DHS Secretary Elaine Duke, and DHS Assistant Secretary for Threat Prevention and Security Policy to their successors.

National security attorney Bradley Moss tweeted, "Trump was taking Saudi blood money to host a golf outing this weekend. Biden was killing terrorists."

Former DOJ spokesperson under Eric Holder and special advisor to the National Security Council at the Biden White House, and MSNBC analyst Matthew Miller wrote, "Build Back Better is alive and Ayman al-Zawahiri is dead."

"This is a success," says CNN national security analyst Juliette Kayyem, a former U.S. Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security who has an extensive background on terrorism and national security, "both because of the target, al-Zawahiri, but also because the Biden Administration had claimed that leaving Afghanistan would not impact counterterrorism efforts. They still would have 'over the horizon' capability. That appears to be true."

SiriusXM Progress host Dean Obeidallah, an attorney, journalist, and contributor to CNN and MSNBC writes, ""Most people who get Covid quarantine quietly by watching TV or reading books. President Biden spent his Covid quarantine killing the leader of Al Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahri!"

https://www.rawstory.com/while-trump-was-taking-saudi-blood-money-biden-was-terrorists-experts-weigh-in-on-historic-counterterrorism-news/

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« Reply #5630 on: August 02, 2022, 08:19:28 AM »
Donnie is an idiot and America is still suffering from the damage he caused.

Trump never wanted to take out top al-Qaeda target al-Zawahiri because he didn't recognize his name: report



President Joe Biden announced that the U.S. killed top al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, who served as Osama bin Laden's No. 2 in the ongoing attacks on the United States. But according to an NBC report from 2020, former President Donald Trump had an opportunity to do the same, but refused because he didn't recognize al-Zawahiri's name.

Reporting in early 2020, NBC News reported that intelligence officials briefed then-President Trump many times about the most worrisome terrorist threats, specifically mentioning al-Zawahri.

Trump would ultimately agree to take out ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Yemeni al Qaeda chief Qasim al-Rimi. But other of the significant names on the CIA's list were ignored.

Trump "was more interested in a young and less influential figure much farther down the list, according to two people familiar with the briefings, because he recognized the name," the report said at the time.

"He would say, 'I've never heard of any of these people. What about Hamza bin Laden?'" the former official told NBC.

A Pentagon official agreed, noting, "That was the only name he knew."

By contrast, Biden explained that after "relentlessly seeking Zawahiri for years under Presidents Bush, Obama, and Trump, our intelligence community located Zawahiri earlier this year. He had moved to downtown Kabul to reunite with members of his immediate family."

"This mission was carefully planned, rigorously minimized the risk of harm to other civilians, and one week ago, after being advised that the conditions were optimal, I gave the final approval to go get him, and the mission was a success," Biden also said.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5631 on: August 02, 2022, 03:55:44 PM »
Georgia’s big Trump election investigation, explained

A grand jury investigation in Georgia intensified this summer, and could be a greater legal threat to Trump than the Justice Department.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2022/7/29/23281081/georgia-trump-fani-willis-investigation

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