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« Reply #5416 on: June 23, 2022, 11:26:52 PM »
How the fake Trump elector scheme fizzled in four states

Part of Donald Trump’s plan to reverse his loss in the 2020 presidential election hinged on replacing legitimate electors in a handful of swing states with “fake electors.”

In theory, these bogus Republican slates in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Mexico, Nevada and Wisconsin would cast their electoral votes for the incumbent — canceling out the popular vote for Joe Biden in their states.

Groups of fake electors met on Dec. 14, 2020, in those seven states, an investigative counsel working for the panel, Casey Lucier, said in a video presentation shown in a Tuesday hearing of the U.S. House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.

The hearing revealed some intriguing details of the fake elector plot, which the U.S. House panel says Trump and his lawyers knew was illegal, and how it played out in four states in particular:


Arizona House Speaker Rusty Bowers, a self-described conservative Republican who campaigned for Trump in 2020, testified in person Tuesday about the pressure the Trump campaign put on him to revoke the state’s legitimate electors — and his steadfast refusal to participate.

Presidential elections in the United States are not straight popular vote contests, but are mediated by electoral college voters chosen by state, U.S. Rep. Adam Schiff, a California Democrat who led much of the hearing Tuesday, reminded the audience.

Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, a former North Carolina congressman, and outside counsel Rudy Giuliani were involved in a discussion near Thanksgiving 2020 about having fake electors meet, Cassidy Hutchinson, a former aide to Meadows, said.

Trump and Giuliani were also personally involved in a pressure campaign on state officials, according to committee testimony.

Some time after the election, Bowers received a call from Trump and Giuliani, who wanted the Arizona speaker to convene a committee to hear supposed evidence of election fraud, Bowers testified.

Bowers asked for evidence of fraud. It never materialized, and he declined in the coming weeks to form the committee.

Bowers told the panel he then asked Giuliani what the end goal of forming the committee would be. Giuliani said that a high-ranking Republican legislator had told the campaign that there was a legal theory that would allow the Legislature to replace electors for Biden with electors for Trump, and that the proposed committee could facilitate that.

Bowers said he hadn’t heard that legal theory. When Giuliani pressed the point, the speaker refused more pointedly.

“I said, ‘You are asking me to do something that is counter to my oath, when I swore to the Constitution to uphold it,’” Bowers said he told Giuliani.

“’And I also swore to the Constitution and the laws of the state of Arizona. And this is totally foreign as an idea or a theory to me, and I would never do anything of such magnitude without deep consultation with qualified attorneys.’”

He couldn’t recall the timing, but Bowers said Giuliani would appeal to their shared political party in an attempt to cajole him into helping Trump.

“He would say, ‘Aren’t we all Republicans here? I would think we would get a better reception,’” Bowers related Tuesday.

Bowers had gone public in December 2020 with a statement that Giuliani, fellow Trump attorney Jenna Ellis and others had made the “breathtaking request” that he replace Arizona’s electors with a slate for Trump.

Giuliani and Ellis made their case to Arizona lawmakers twice, he said, once with a small group of them and again in a closed-door meeting with Republican leaders in both chambers.

Tuesday, Bowers said that the small-group meeting took place because he’d denied an official legislative hearing.

On Jan. 4, two days before the attack on the Capitol, Bowers took a call from Trump lawyer John Eastman, who again asked him to hold a vote to decertify the state’s election results.

Bowers again invoked his oath of office in declining, he said.

“I said, ‘What would you have me do?’” Bowers said of his Jan. 4 call with Eastman. “And he said, ‘Just do it and let the courts sort it out.’”

Finally, on Jan. 6, U.S. Rep. Andy Biggs, another Arizona Republican, called Bowers to ask him to support the decertification of the electors, Bowers said Tuesday. The speaker again declined, he said.

A spokesman for Biggs did not return messages seeking comment this week.


Republican lawmakers across the country were feeling similar pressure.

Trump invited leaders from Michigan and Pennsylvania to the White House in November 2020.

Michigan Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey told Trump he would follow Michigan law, meaning he would award the state’s electors to Biden, Shirkey said in a taped deposition.

On Facebook the next day, Trump disclosed Shirkey’s cell phone number. The majority leader then received almost 4,000 text messages “calling to take action,” he said. Many asked him to replace the state’s electors, he said.

State lawmakers did not have that power, he said.

“They were believing things that were untrue,” Shirkey said of the correspondence.

Schiff pointed out during the hearing that there cannot be substitutes of electors.

“There is only one legitimate slate of electors from each state. On the sixth day of January, Congress meets in a joint session to count those votes and the winner of the Electoral College vote becomes the president,” Schiff said.

“President Trump and his campaign were directly involved in advancing and coordinating the plot to replace legitimate Biden electors with fake electors not chosen by the voters.”

Michigan was also the site of one of the most bizarre episodes in the scheme.

A group of fake electors considered hiding in the state Capitol overnight because of a state law that required elector certification to be in that building, according to Laura Cox, the former GOP chair in the state who testified in a taped deposition.

Cox said she found this out from an attorney working with the Trump campaign. The Detroit News identified the attorney as Robert Norton, a Hillsdale College official. The video clip does not include Norton’s first name.

“He told me that the Michigan Republican electors were planning to meet in the Capitol and hide overnight so that they could fulfill the role of casting their vote per law in the Michigan chambers,” Cox said. “And I told him in no uncertain terms that that was insane and inappropriate.”

Michigan’s fake electors did meet, but did not make it inside the Capitol.

They did, though, apparently have a U.S. senator willing to deliver their names to the vice president on Jan. 6, according to a text exchange the committee revealed Tuesday.

The chief of staff for U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican, texted an aide to then-Vice President Mike Pence that Johnson would hand the vice president elector votes from Wisconsin and Michigan. The Pence aide clearly texted not to follow that plan through.

A Johnson spokeswoman said Tuesday he “had no involvement in the creation of an alternate slate of electors and had no foreknowledge that it was going to be delivered to our office.”


In Johnson’s home state, local Republican officials were misled about the fake elector scheme.

Rather than being used as a pretext for Pence to overturn the election results — which he refused to do — officials in Wisconsin thought the Trump slate of electors would be sent to the U.S. Capitol only in the event a court overturned the state’s election results.

“I was told that these would only count if a court ruled in our favor,” Andrew Hitt, the former chair of the state party said in video testimony. “So that would have been using our electors in ways that we weren’t told about and that we wouldn’t have supported.”

Eastman believed a dispute over which electors to count would be “enough” for Pence to certify the Trump slate, Eastman wrote in an email to a campaign staffer.

Jan. 4 text messages the panel acquired between Wisconsin GOP workers show the Trump team asked about bringing fake elector paperwork to Washington on Jan. 6.

“Freaking trump [sic] idiots want someone to fly original elector papers to the senate President,” one text read.


The panel played a Dec. 3, 2020, video call showing Eastman, the architect of the false elector scheme, advocating for Georgia lawmakers to “to adopt a slate of electors yourselves.”

Eastman told the legislators that their counterparts in Florida were “prepared to do” the same thing.

The lawmakers were not only able, but should be compelled to overturn their state’s election results because of “outright election fraud,” Eastman said on the call.

Former Attorney General Bill Barr, Trump campaign officials and others have testified throughout earlier hearings that widespread voter fraud to overturn the election did not exist and there was no evidence to support the claim.

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« Reply #5417 on: June 24, 2022, 01:30:40 AM »
This is clear treason.

Criminal Donald knew he lost the election and there was no election fraud. He was pressuring the Deputy Attorney General to illegally "declare the election was corrupt" and then leave the rest to him and his Republican congressmen to steal the election. These are his words and his own criminal intent. These same Republican congressmen were asking for pardons because they knew this was a crime.   

"Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the congressmen” - Donald Trump asked deputy A.G Richard Donoghue

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« Reply #5418 on: June 24, 2022, 03:41:43 AM »
These are the 6 insurrectionist Republican congressmen who asked Criminal Donald for blanket preemptive presidential pardons for their roles in the January 6 Insurrection. The only reason someone would ask for a blanket presidential pardon is because they know they are guilty of committing a serious crime.         

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« Reply #5419 on: June 24, 2022, 03:49:57 AM »
Brian Kemp to testify against Trump in ‘sworn recorded statement’ to Fulton grand jury: report

The Republican governor of Georgia special dispensation from Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis to testify via videotape before the special grand jury investigating Donald Trump's attempted coup.

"Gov. Brian Kemp will deliver testimony next month to Fulton County prosecutors investigating Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn Georgia’s 2020 elections, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution has learned. But unlike the parade of witnesses who have appeared at the Fulton courthouse to answer questions in front of a special grand jury, the Republican will instead deliver a “sworn recorded statement,” according to a letter from the Fulton County District Attorney’s office dated Wednesday and obtained by the AJC on Thursday," the newspaper reported.

Kemp's refusal to overturn the election resulted in Trump's ire, and he was unsuccessfully challenged in the state's GOP primary by former Sen. David Perdue.

"In the letter to Kemp’s attorney, Nathan Wade, a special prosecutor hired by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis to help with the investigation, said the DA’s office agreed to the terms 'in a spirit of cooperation with the Governor and his schedule.' Kemp’s sworn examination will take place on July 25," the newspaper reported.

His office also received as subpoena for documents, which must be turned over 72 hours in advance.


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« Reply #5420 on: June 24, 2022, 04:02:40 AM »
DOJ searches home of former official who aided pro-Trump ‘coup’

What Jeffrey Clark's employer called a "pre dawn raid" came a day before a Jan. 6 select committee hearing expected to scrutinize him and other Trump allies

Law enforcement officials on Wednesday searched the Virginia home of former top Justice Department official Jeffrey Clark, according to his employer and former Trump administration colleague.

Russ Vought, who served as former President Donald Trump’s White House budget director and now works with Clark at the Center for Renewing America, tweeted that “more than a dozen DOJ law enforcement officials searched Jeff Clark’s house in a pre dawn raid, put him in the streets in his pjs, and took his electronic devices.” A spokesperson for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Washington stated only that law enforcement recently engaged in “activity” in the vicinity of Clark’s home.

That office is leading investigations related to the Capitol attack on Jan. 6, 2021, although the spokesperson declined to link the activity to any individual or probe.

The search appears to escalate DOJ’s investigations of Trump allies and associates. For months, the department has been scrutinizing people connected to the so-called alternate electors scheme — where Republicans in states that Joe Biden won in 2020 sent slates of pro-Trump electors to Washington. A number of Republicans around the country signed on as so-called alternate electors.

In late 2020, Clark urged the then-acting attorney general Jeff Rosen to send a letter to top Georgia officials calling for a special session of the legislature. The letter claimed that the department had found evidence of voter fraud that could have changed the outcome of the presidential race in several states — which wasn’t true — and also implied that Georgia’s legislature could hold a special session overriding the declared outcome of its presidential ballot to send pro-Trump electors to Washington.

A key question regarding the Clark search is whether it happened because of his connection to the alternate electors scheme, or because of other actions that are not currently known to be under investigation by the Justice Department. Regardless, it’s rare for former top administration officials, particularly from DOJ, to face law enforcement scrutiny.

The Clark search is not the only recent indication of law enforcement activity linked to the 2020 election gaining steam: Arizona GOP Chair Kelli Ward and her husband Michael have received grand jury subpoenas, according to a source familiar with the matter.

The development suggests a deepening DOJ investigation of an effort by Republican Party officials to deliver false slates of electors to Congress. Both Michael and Kelli Ward were among the pro-Trump activists who signed certificates claiming to be the duly-elected and qualified electors for Trump from Arizona.

"This is an Investigation based on allegations that our clients engaged in core First Amendment-protected activity petitioning Congress for redress of grievances,” said Alexander Kolodin, an attorney for the Wards.

The Clark-related activity came just before Congress’ Jan. 6 select committee held a public hearing that intensely scrutinized him and other allies of the former president. That hearing was originally set for June 15 but was postponed. Select panel members attributed the delay to challenges involved in producing videos for that and other sessions.

The hearing revealed new details of how Clark became quickly ensconced at the highest level of Trump World. As Jan. 6 neared, then-White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows suggested that then-acting Attorney General Jeff Rosen send Clark to Fulton County, Ga., as part of the department’s election work, according to an email from Jan. 1, 2021, summarized by Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.).

The email suggested that Meadows, at least in this instance, tried to micromanage the Justice Department’s investigations into allegations of voter fraud.

When asked what he did in response to the chief of staff’s missive, Clark was frank. “Well, really, nothing,” he replied. “Certainly didn’t send Mr. Clark to Fulton County.”

 The panel also revealed that in some corners of the White House, Clark’s ascent to acting attorney general was seen as a given. A White House document produced before the infamous meeting showed him referred to as “acting attorney general.”

Videos and witness testimony at the hearing also depicted a meeting on Jan. 3, 2021, that turned into a dogpile on Clark over his involvement in pushing false fraud claims. Eric Herschmann, who was a White House lawyer at the time, described in footage played by the select panel that he called Clark an “......” in the meeting. The remark came after Clark talked about how he would use a grand jury to investigate Trump-backed fraud allegations.

“When he finished discussing what he planned on doing, I said good — f****ng excuse me, sorry, ...... — congratulations,” Herschmann said in taped testimony recalling his conversation with Clark. “You just admitted the first step or act you’d take as attorney general would be committing a felony and violating Rule 6(e). You’re clearly the right candidate for this job.”

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), who has previously criticized DOJ for what he perceived as lack of urgency to investigate Trump-related conduct, said the public indicators of the past 48 hours have changed his view.

“I think the department certainty now is visibly investigating certain elements of this plot,” Schiff said before the hearing but after the raid of Clark’s home was reported. “This is what I was referring to when I said that, while the Department of Justice has a policy about not speaking about any ongoing investigation, you can usually see signs of it with the convening of a grand jury or the execution of a search warrant or the serving of subpoenas. And now we’re starting to see some of that activity, and going beyond a focus on those who broke into this building on January 6.”

Select committee chair Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) declined to weigh in on the Clark raid before the hearing, saying he’d just heard about it. Vice chair Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) similarly declined to discuss the matter.

Ken Klukowski, a Clark deputy described by Cheney as connected to the drafting of the letter to the states, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Vought tweeted that the raid on Clark’s house was "[a]ll because Jeff saw fit to investigate voter fraud. This is not America, folks.” He also wrote that his organization stands with Clark, and that the raid is part of a “new era of criminalizing politics” in the U.S.

Clark, now a senior fellow at the group where Vought serves as president, headed DOJ’s Environment and Natural Resources Division for much of the Trump administration. ABC News first reported that federal agents searched Clark’s home in Lorton, Va., on Wednesday morning.

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« Reply #5421 on: June 24, 2022, 04:11:28 AM »
List of Republicans who asked for pardons grows: Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz, Mo Brooks, Louie Gohmert and Andy Biggs

Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) said Thursday that the only reason that he knows that someone asks for a pardon is that they've done something wrong.

The Jan. 6 committee on Thursday revealed evidence that several Republicans had asked President Donald Trump's administration for pardons.

One was Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), who reportedly asked for a preemptive pardon in a Dec. 21 meeting. But Cassidy Hutchinson, an aide to then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, said "he was asking in early December, and I'm not sure why."

She explained that Reps. Andy Biggs (R-AZ), Mo Brooks (R-AL) and Louie Gohmert (R-TX) also asked her about pardons. She said that she heard that Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) asked for a pardon, but did so through someone else.

Former White House senior adviser Eric Herschmann explained that Gaetz was asking for a pardon that essentially included anything he's ever done in his whole life.

"The general tone was, we may get prosecuted because we were defensive of you know, the president's positions on these things. The pardon that he was discussing, or that he was requesting as broad as you could describe from the beginning of, I remember he said, from the beginning of time up until today, for any and all things," Herschmann testified.

Gaetz is under investigation as part of a scheme involving paid sex workers and a series of other things through former Seminole County tax collector, Joel Greenberg.


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Former Justice officials: Trump asked DOJ to seize voting machines

Former President Trump asked the Justice Department to seize voting machines from state governments as part of his campaign to overturn the 2020 election, former senior DOJ officials testified at the Jan. 6 select committee's fifth hearing on Thursday.

Why it matters: Trump had repeatedly asked the DOJ to investigate election conspiracy theories, using various avenues to pressure them into doing his bidding. After senior officials refused to budge, he threatened to remove them from their positions.

What they're saying: "We had seen nothing improper with regard to the voting machines, and I told him that the real experts [at the Department of Homeland Security] had briefed us, that they had looked at it and that there was nothing wrong with the voting machines," former Acting Attorney General Jeff Rosen told the panel.

- There was no factual basis or legal authority to seize machines, he noted.

- "The president was very agitated by the acting attorney general's response," former acting deputy attorney general Richard Donoghue said.

- "He said, 'People tell me I should just get rid of both of you. I should just remove you and put Jeff Clark in — maybe something will get done." Jeffrey Clark was an assistant attorney general who supported Trump's election fraud claims.
"President Trump is talking about seizing voting machines ... Claim after claim knocked down. But the president didn't care," Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) said.

- The next day, chief of staff Mark Meadows sent multiple emails to Rosen asking the DOJ to send Clark to Fulton County, Georgia to investigate fraud claims.

Worth noting: DOJ officials testified Thursday that Clark wanted former President Trump to install him as attorney general with a plan they called "nuts" and a "murder-suicide pact."

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« Reply #5423 on: June 24, 2022, 11:36:33 AM »
The subpoenas keep on coming for these criminals! 

Arizona GOP chair Kelli Ward — and her husband — hit with DOJ subpoenas: report

The Department of Justice investigation into Donald Trump's conspiracy to overturn the 2020 presidential election with phony electors continues to heat up and now includes another top GOP leader.

"Arizona GOP Chair Kelli Ward and her husband Michael — who were among the false pro-Trump electors — have received grand jury subpoenas, according to a source familiar with the matter," Politico's Kyle Cheney reported.

On Wednesday, the FBI reportedly executed a search warrant on Michael McDonald, the chairman of the Nevada Republican Party.

Georgia Republican Party Chair David Shafer was served with a subpoena.

Georgia lawyer Brad Carver and Trump staffer Thomas Lane were also subpoenaed.

Allegheny County Republican Party chairman Sam DeMarco was interviewed by the FBI and Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) was also implicated in the plot.

All six of the fake electors in Nevada received subpoenas, as did at least two fake electors in Michigan.


Arizona Republican Party chair Kelli Ward subpoenaed by DOJ in fake elector scheme

Kelli Ward, the head of the Arizona Republican Party, and her husband, Michael, received grand jury subpoenas from the Department of Justice regarding their involvement in a scheme to send fake electors to Congress on Jan. 6, 2021.

The subpoena for the Wards first was reported by the website Politico, which cited an unnamed source it said was familiar with the matter.

Alexander Kolodin, an attorney for the Wards, said to The Republic that “this is an investigation based on allegations that our clients engaged in core First Amendment-protected activity, namely petitioning Congress for a redress of grievances.”

Kolodin clarified that the investigation to which he was referring was the Department of Justice investigation.

Kolodin represented the Wards in another subpoena matter.

The House Select Committee investigating the riot at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, had subpoenaed the Wards’ phone records. The Wards filed a lawsuit against the committee in federal court in Phoenix fighting the disclosure of those records. That lawsuit was still pending, with the committee asked to reply by early July.

Kelli Ward also was subpoenaed for testimony and documents by the House Select Committee in February.

One of the other people who falsely called himself an elector, Tyler Bowyer, the head of Turning Point Action, a political action committee based in Phoenix, refused to say Thursday when reached by phone whether he received a subpoena. He deflected comment to his spokesperson, who did not return a message.

The Republic failed in attempts to reach the other eight people who signed the document falsely calling themselves electors.

The Washington Post reported Thursday that subpoenas were also served on Nancy Cottle and Loraine Pellegrino, who signed the false documents as chair and secretary, respectively. The Post said the information came from people familiar with the matter.

Both women also had been the subjects of subpoenas by the House Select Committee investigating the riot at the U.S. Capitol.

The group of 11 Arizona Republicans who met at state party headquarters on Dec. 14, 2020, made no secret that they were signing a document falsely declaring themselves the state’s official presidential electors. After the ceremony, the party sent out a news release. The meeting was posted on YouTube.

What was not clear at the time was that this was not an empty exercise.

The document creating a second set of declared presidential electors out of Arizona was part of a strategy intended to upend or delay the official certification of the 2020 election in Congress on Jan. 6, 2021, and possibly keep Donald Trump as U.S. president.

Besides the grand jury that is investigating possible criminal charges, the meeting has drawn the interest of the Select Committee investigating the Capitol riot. The committee has subpoenaed three of the 11 Republicans who signed the document, including Kelli Ward.

The falsely declared Arizona electors have not explained what led them to the hold the meeting or whose advice they followed on procedures. One elector, now a state lawmaker, Rep. Jake Hoffman, repeatedly refused to answer a Republic reporter’s question about how he knew where to go for the meeting.

Had Trump won Arizona, the 11 Republicans who met would have cast Arizona’s official votes in the Electoral College, the constitutionally-mandated body that actually votes for the president.

The fake Republican electors met at the same time Arizona’s official electors, as chosen by the state Democratic Party, met to cast their votes for President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris.

Among the notable fake alternate Republican electors from Arizona, besides Hoffman, were Jim Lamon, currently a U.S. Senate candidate, and Anthony Kern, a former state lawmaker running for a state Senate seat.

Arizona creating an alternate elector slate was part of a plan to throw a wrench into the typically rote ceremony of the vice president counting each state’s Electoral College votes. That plan was outlined by John Eastman, a lawyer brought on to the Trump team in December 2020.

Eastman proposed having seven states submit competing slates of electors to be counted on Jan. 6, 2021. Vice President Mike Pence, the theory went, could say that with competing slates of electors, neither one could be counted.

Pence could then declare Trump the winner, since Trump would have won the majority of the electoral votes he was able to count.

If Congress protested, as Eastman’s memo theorized it might, Pence would throw the election to the House, where, following a procedure in the U.S. Constitution, each state’s delegation would get one vote. At the time, the memo pointed out, 26 out of the 50 states had Republican majority delegations. “President Trump is re-elected there as well,” the memo said.

Eastman’s memo predicted that, going alphabetically, the first disputed state Pence would encounter would be Arizona.

It is not clear exactly when this strategy was hatched.

Eastman wrote his first memo on Christmas Eve of 2020. That was 10 days after the Arizona Republicans had met and sent its documents falsely declaring themselves the state’s “duly elected and qualified” presidential electors.

But a federal judge wrote in a ruling this month that the plan to disrupt the Jan. 6, 2021, joint session of Congress was “fully formed and actionable” as early as Dec. 7, 2020.

That would be one week before the alternate slate of Republican electors met at party headquarters.

The judge’s ruling involved a dispute between Eastman and the Select Committee over what emails Eastman needed to turn over to the committee. The emails sought were sent between Nov. 3, 2020, which was Election Day, and Jan. 20, 2021, which was the day President Joe Biden was inaugurated.

Among the emails in question, according to the ruling, are invitations to state lawmakers to attend virtual meetings over Zoom. One listed as an agenda item for a Dec. 8, 2020 meeting, Eastman speaking about “State legislative actions that can reverse the media-called election for Joe Biden.”

During those December weeks, Eastman was contacting “sympathetic state legislators in Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona, urging them to decertify Biden electors and certify alternate Trump electors,” the judge’s ruling says.

At the time, the ruling says, Eastman was convinced that the states didn’t just need to appoint alternate electors. Instead, he thought each state legislature needed to decertify its election and appoint its own slate.

Arizona House Speaker Rusty Bowers was under pressure from attorneys for Trump to do just that. In a news release on Dec. 4, 2020, Bowers said that the Trump legal team made the "breathtaking" request that Arizona lawmakers disregard the election results and take it upon themselves to appoint the presidential electors.

In interviews with The Republic, Bowers described such pressure dating back to the Sunday before Thanksgiving. Bowers said Rudy Giuliani, a Trump attorney, asked him to take advantage of a unique Arizona law that allowed the Legislature to appoint electors rather than the voters.

Bowers refused to entertain the notion, neither in November, nor after the in-person meeting in December.

Even though the Arizona Legislature refused to throw out the election results, the Arizona electors met at party headquarters to declare themselves the state’s official electors. In six other states, all states carried by Biden, similar groups of Republicans met to make similar declarations.

The wordings on each state’s documents were nearly uniform. The font and design also were identical.

Two states, New Mexico and Pennsylvania, inserted language that said the Republican electors would only be valid under certain future conditions. But Arizona, along with the other four states, flatly declared themselves the state’s official electors.

At the meeting, a man in a Trump jacket with the name Lane on it circulated pieces of paper to the electors. The man is not identified in the video but appears to be Thomas Lane, who was the head of election day operations for Trump in Arizona.

Lane, according to the Washington Post, received a subpoena on Wednesday.

The meeting of the fake electors opened with a prayer, according to postings on Twitter from the Arizona Republican Party. The document they each were to sign was read out loud, according to video posted by the party. Then, the electors broke out in applause.

A copy of the document was sent by certified mail to the National Archives. It was preserved, but officially ignored. Another copy was sent to the U.S. Senate. It is not clear what happened to that document.

In his speech to supporters on Jan. 6, 2021, just before the crowd caused mayhem during its breach of the U.S. Capitol, Trump mentioned the plan for Pence to employ the alternate electors.

"If Pence does the right thing,” Trump said, “we win.”

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