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« Reply #5360 on: June 15, 2022, 05:16:33 PM »
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DOJ official ‘emphatic that Garland can and will prosecute’ Trump allies over Jan. 6: investigative reporter

An investigative reporter who recently spent time with a Justice Department official said he was "optimistic" that former President Donald Trump and his allies will be held accountable for their attack on democracy.

David Rohde, the online news director for The New Yorker, told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" that the House select committee hearings were producing important evidence that could deliver a political and legal blow to the former president.

"I met with a Justice Department official recently and they said they are emphatic that [attorney general Merrick] Garland can and will prosecute if there's enough evidence," Rohde said. "They have pointed back to his speech in January that said he will follow every lead and also the speech he gave at Harvard, a graduation speech about public service, but he talked to that class about the importance of defending democracy. But I do think the Justice Department sees it as a last resort."

"A member of the Judiciary Committee told me they're trying to defeat Donald Trump politically first, what happens at the ballot box," Rohde added. "But the $250 million, $1 million of that going to an organization run by Mark Meadows, lying people to raise money, not using it for the purpose you promised. So I think that's another angle for a very clear answer, more cut and dried possible prosecution."

The risk with a criminal prosecution would be proving intent, Rohde said, which might be difficult to do for the notoriously slippery Trump.

"Donald Trump is very clever about hinting what he wants, signaling what he wants but not having that definitive proof, so there's a huge desire among people, skeptics of Trump or even people who fear him for a prosecution," Rohde said. "But the bar is much higher for a criminal prosecution and, again, I don't think we know yet what Merrick Garland is going to do, but it's a very serious thing to do it. It's a last resort, I think. What if Donald Trump is put on trial and acquitted?"

But he said both the House Select Committee and the Justice Department understand that some action must be taken in response to the insurrection.

"It's a hell of a moment," he said. "I mean, if we can't agree on election results, we're looking at chaos and civil war, and I've covered this before, and people resorting to political violence is a very dangerous thing for the country, so I think it's an option. Prosecution is necessary if you defy election results."

"I'm optimistic," Rohde added. "I'm impressed with the job that the Jan. 6 committee is doing. They're elected politicians, they're informing voters and producing new information on what the president did."


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« Reply #5361 on: June 15, 2022, 11:54:01 PM »
Before Jan. 6, Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio was given plans to occupy congressional buildings, Supreme Court

In the week leading up to the Jan. 6 Capitol assault, Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio received a nine-page memo titled "1776 Returns" that laid out detailed plans to occupy congressional office buildings to protest the counting of the Electoral College votes from the 2020 presidential election.

The memo, which was filed in court as part of a recent motion made by one of Tarrio's co-defendants, outlined a goal to "maintain control over as select few, but crucial buildings in the DC area for a set period of time, presenting our demands in unity."

"We must show our politicians We the People are in charge," the memo said. Targeted buildings allegedly included the three Senate and House office buildings, the Supreme Court of the United States, and CNN —to "at least egg doorway," according to the filing.

The demands outlined in the memo included "free and fair elections," "liberty or death" and "No Trump, No America."

In "Storm the Winter Palace," a section marked for internal use and a "Patriot Plan" for outside distribution, the directions called for five teams of individuals per building, ranging from a "covert sleeper" who would spend the day inside the targeted building to a recruiter who would gather a crowd. A group of 50 "patriots" would then occupy each building.

However, nowhere in the document is there a suggestion that violence should be used against police, members of Congress or their staff or other Capitol personnel.

The document includes a page to assign roles for each of the targeted locations and maps of the identified buildings.

Between Jan. 1 - 5, 2021, the memo says, those in charge should recruit members, scope out road closures and set up appointments with various representatives in the buildings.

"Use Covid to your advantage," the document advised. "Pack huge face masks and face shields, protect your identity."

On Jan. 6, 2021, "1776 Returns" directed certain individuals known as "leads" to dress in suits and stay inside the targeted buildings to find entrances and exits. Once a sufficient crowd was recruited, the memo suggests, those already inside should open the doors and allow the group to enter.

"This might include causing trouble near the front doors to distract guards who may be holding the doors off," it said, "The goal is to ensure there is an entry point for the masses to rush the building."

Participants around the city should pull fire alarms at various locations like Walmart, hotels, and museums to distract law enforcement if necessary, according to the document.

Once inside, the entire group would then present its list of demands and perform sit-ins in certain senators' offices, the filing says.

The manual advised readers to use large trucks or a large caravan of cars to block intersections to make traversing the city more difficult. "Now is the time to reach out to truckers or bikers for Trump for these roadblocks," a note reads.

According to the portion of the memo meant for external distribution, participants were to demand a new election be conducted on Jan. 20, 2021, monitored by the National Guard.

"Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, Mike Pence & Bill Gates," it says, "We the people are watching you.

"Rand Paul & Ron DeSantis...We the people love you."

The existence of the 1776 Returns document was revealed when Tarrio was first indicted earlier this year on conspiracy charges. Prosecutors alleged Tarrio, who has now been charged with seditious conspiracy and pleaded not guilty, was allegedly sent the document by an unknown individual. After sending Tarrio the document, the individual allegedly stated, "The revolution is important than anything," to which investigators say Tarrio replied, "That's what every waking moment consists of...I'm not playing games."

At the same time, Tarrio and other Proud Boys leaders were operating a so-called "Ministry of Self Defense" organization, with Tarrio at the top of the power structure.

"This group was to form the nucleus of leadership in a new chapter of the Proud Boys organization, which Tarrio described as a 'national rally planning' chapter. The first event targeted by the group was the rally in D.C. on January 6," prosecutors allege.

The court filing that the copy of the "1776 Returns" memo accompanied was a request that the judge overseeing the large Proud Boys conspiracy case take another look at the pretrial detention of Tarrio codefendant Zachary Rehl. In the filing, Rehl's legal team argues the memo "is not a plan to attack the Capitol and does not even mention the Capitol. It refers to occupying Congressional office buildings."

The recent indictment of Tarrio and other Proud Boy leaders shows that they used 1776 to refer to themselves on Jan. 6. At 2:57 p.m., during the assault on the Capitol, Tarrio posted a message mentioning 1776 that said "Revolutionaries are now at the Rayburn Building," which the indictment notes was mentioned in the 1776 plan. At 7:44 p.m. one individual sent a text to Tarrio that said, "1776 m************."

Tarrio's attorney has not responded to a request for comment.

According to Wednesday's motion, the document was sent to Tarrio by a female acquaintance and not shared with Rehl or other defendants.

"[A] proposal to occupy office buildings is a time-tested protest activity," Rehl's legal team pointed out. "There is no indication that the government has ever charged any protestors who have actually occupied buildings with the felony conspiracies charged in the instant case."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5362 on: June 16, 2022, 12:48:36 PM »
Georgia officials hit with subpoenas in probe of GOP effort to breach voting systems: report

Attorneys have subpoenaed local election officials and a former Republican Party chair in a rural Georgia county to find out how a group of 2020 election deniers improperly accessed a voting system server last year, The Daily Beast. reports.

The lawsuit, brought by voting rights activists, was approved by U.S. District Judge Amy Totenberg, who expressed “great concern” about the unauthorized access of a voting system server.

"Text messages acquired by The Daily Beast showed how then-Coffee County GOP chair Cathy Latham and elections board member Eric Chaney arranged for a team of computer technicians to access the local election management system at a government office—on none other than the afternoon of Jan. 6, 2021, just as insurrectionists attacked the U.S. Capitol building," The Beast's reports stated.

The subpoenas require information from Latham, Chaney, the county elections board, and several others. Also subpoenaed were Paul Maggio, an executive at a computer forensics and data storage company, and bail bondsman Scott Hall.

"Additionally, the subpoenas target Misty Hampton—who was Coffee County’s elections supervisor at the time of the visit but has since been forced to resign—as well as her replacement, James Barnes, who has since left the office as well," reports the Daily Beast. "Benjamin Cotton, the founder of Virginia digital forensics firm CyFIR, was also subpoenaed. Cotton implicated himself in the growing scandal by admitting that he 'forensically examined' Coffee County’s voting system in an unrelated court document spotted by The Washington Post on Sunday."

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« Reply #5363 on: June 16, 2022, 01:23:17 PM »
Newly uncovered Jan. 6 emails show a 'hope for violence' by Trump lawyers: CNN legal analyst

CNN legal analyst Elie Honig on Thursday said that newly uncovered emails from pro-Trump lawyers show that they knew there was a possibility that violence could break out on January 6th -- and they thought it would help them keep former President Donald Trump in office.

The emails in question were reported by the New York Times and involve attorney Kenneth Chesebro strategizing with infamous "coup memo" author John Eastman about how to get the Supreme Court to hear the Trump campaign's objections to the 2020 election results.

At one point, Chesebro said that the prospect of violence on January 6th could prompt SCOTUS to get off the sidelines.

"Odds of action before Jan. 6 will become more favorable if the justices start to fear that there will be ‘wild’ chaos on Jan. 6 unless they rule by then," he wrote.

Honig said that this email was "the first piece of tangible evidence showing that people around Donald Trump, advising Donald Trump, suspected there might be violence."

What's more, Honig said, the discussion wasn't about how to prevent violence but how to use it to their advantage.

"[They] not necessarily wanted [violence] to happen but if it happened they say we can benefit from this," he said. "There is an advantage to us if there is violence, if there is chaos that breaks out and they're trying to leverage that into pressure on the Supreme Court. It's the first link we have between the strategy that's going on behind the scenes and the hope for violence on January 6."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5364 on: June 16, 2022, 02:12:11 PM »
The conspiracy theory being pushed by the Republicans and the right wing media is Joe Biden made "bad policies" and gas prices soared to record high prices.

That's an absolute lie.

A President has nothing to do with gas prices and Biden didn't make a "policy" that made gas prices rise. 

The simple fact is, gas prices are high all over the world due to Big Oil Price Gouging and Putin's war in Ukraine.

Gas is actually cheaper in America than in other major countries.

Let's not forget that Democrats brought a bill to the House floor to stop Big Oil from gouging consumers and EVERY single Republican voted NO to stop Big Oil from purposely making you pay more at the pump. You can see that vote below.           

As gas hits $8.60 a gallon in the UK, Brits pay $125 to fill a family car
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/09/brits-paying-8point60-a-gallon-for-gasoline-125-to-fill-family-car.html

Australia's gas prices are surging. How did we get here and what is being done about it?
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/australias-gas-prices-are-surging-how-did-we-get-here-and-what-is-being-done-about-it/7p3io6e7w

European Gas Prices Rise Again as Gazprom Cuts Supply to Italy, Germany
https://www.investing.com/news/commodities-news/european-gas-prices-rise-again-ahead-as-gazprom-cuts-supply-to-italy-germany-2837724

Israeli gas prices to rise to record NIS 7.72 per liter on Tuesday
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-707963

Think U.S. Gas Prices at $5 a Gallon Are Bad? Try $10 in Hong Kong
https://globelynews.com/world/gas-prices-by-country-petrol/

One Tank of Gas Devours 33% of Brazilians’ Monthly Minimum Wage
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-27/one-tank-of-gas-devours-33-of-brazilians-monthly-minimum-wage


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« Reply #5365 on: June 16, 2022, 04:11:35 PM »
'Pure 100-proof fascism': Morning Joe panel hammers 'completely lawless' Trump election plot revealed in new emails



MSNBC's Joe Scarborough and conservative attorney George Conway condemned Ginni Thomas for exchanging emails with a right-wing lawyer who was plotting to overturn Donald Trump's election loss.

Newly revealed emails show attorney John Eastman claimed to have insight into a "heated fight" among Supreme Court justices about hearing cases related to Trump's election challenges, and pro-Trump attorney Kenneth Chesebro said he believed the court would be more inclined to act if there were "'wild' chaos" in Washington, D.C., on Jan. 6, 2021, in an apparent reference to a tweet sent out by the former president.

"What Donald Trump's lawyer who she is texting with, what he and his cohort are talking about, there's a tidy little definition for it," Scarborough said. "It's called fascism. Call it mob rule, but this is just pure, 100-proof fascism, where you have Trump's lawyer going, we may not win on the merits. Another guy going, with mob rule, if there is enough chaos, if the justices are intimidated, even though we don't have the law on our side, maybe we can intimidate them through force and violence to rule our way. Fascism, right?"

Conway agreed, saying he was thankful their plot didn't come to fruition.

"It's a completely lawless view of the world," Conway said. "Thankfully, the Supreme Court did not give any of those lawsuits the time of day, so I hope to heaven sake that all of this was John Eastman blowing smoke and he wasn't really commenting on actual deliberations before the court. There wasn't really any evidence presented in anything the court decided that there was any serious controversy at the court around the various cases Trump lost up there."

Washington Post reporter Jacqueline Alemany said the House Select Committee was becoming increasingly interested in the role played by Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, in the Jan. 6 insurrection.

"I think that the committee is getting there with her," Alemany said, "as more and more information comes in. We have to remember, this is a live, ongoing investigation. At the moment, our reporting does not show the committee is necessarily calling her in as a witness because of the emails that recently have been delivered to the committee by John Eastman, because of a ruling by federal court Judge David Carter that happened last week, the scope of her involvement in the efforts to overturn the election is wider than previously known. What's under discussion is at least using part of the hearing focusing on her involvement."

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« Reply #5366 on: June 16, 2022, 04:39:25 PM »
'Tantamount to a revolution': Retired federal judge hammers Trump in statement before House testimony



In a statement released to CNN hours before he is expected to testify before the House Select Committee investigating the Jan 6th insurrection, retired conservative federal judge Michael Luttig made clear he feels Donald Trump put the country at great risk by attempting to overturn the 2020 presidential election results.

Luttig advised former vice president Mike Pence to ignore the former president's entreaties to throw out votes and ask states to reconsider their own election results which, in turn, infuriated supporters of Trump who chanted "Hang Mike Pence" as they stormed the Capitol building

In his statement, obtained by CNN, Luttig wrote, “It is breathtaking that these arguments even were conceived, let alone entertained by the President of the United States at that perilous moment in history. Had the Vice President of the United States obeyed the President of the United States, America would immediately have been plunged into what would have been tantamount to a revolution within a paralyzing constitutional crisis.”

He added, "This false and reckless insistence that the former president won the 2020 presidential election has laid waste to Americans’ confidence in their national elections. More alarming still is that the former president pledges that his reelection will not be ‘stolen’ from him next time around, and his Republican Party allies and supporters obeisantly pledge the same.”

According to CNN he also defended the work being done by the bi-partisan select committee, writing, "No American ought to turn away from January 6, 2021 until all of America comes to grips with what befell our country that day, and we decide what we want for our democracy from this day, forward.”

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« Reply #5367 on: June 16, 2022, 11:49:22 PM »
Donnie is raging with the same old tired shtick! "Witch Hunt"...."Fake News"....."Voter Fraud".....Criminal Donald is being exposed for the treasonous criminal that he is.

'I DEMAND EQUAL TIME!!!': Trump flips out on the networks airing the Jan. 6 hearings



Just hours before the House select committee was to begin its third televised hearing on the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, former president Donald Trump took to his Truth Social account to demand he be given air time on the same networks to lay out what he described as his evidence of "massive Voter Fraud & Dem Security Breach!"

He followed that up moments later with "I DEMAND EQUAL TIME!!!"

On Thursday, viewers are reportedly going to be presented with evidence of Trump's attempts to bully former vice president Mike Pence into overturning the will of the voters in the 2020 presidential election that one retired federal judge called, "tantamount to a revolution."

On the precipice of more damaging information coming out about his attempts to steal the election, Trump jumped on Truth Social to rage at the "Fake News Networks."

"The Fake News Networks are perpetuating lies, falsehoods, and Russia, Russia, Russia type disinformation (same sick people, here we go again!) by allowing the low rated but nevertheless one sided and slanderous Unselect Committee hearings to go endlessly and aimlessly on (and on and on!)," he wrote. "It is a one sided, highly partisan Witch Hunt, the likes of which has never been seen in Congress before. Therefore, I am hereby demanding EQUAL TIME to spell out the massive Voter Fraud & Dem Security Breach!"

He then added, "I DEMAND EQUAL TIME!!!"

Liz Cheney, vice chair of the House committee investigating the Capitol riot, said its third June hearing would address Trump's "relentless effort" on January 6 2021 and in the days beforehand to cajole Mike Pence into rejecting Joe Biden's victory.

"As a federal judge has indicated, this likely violated two federal criminal statutes. President Trump had no factual basis for what he was doing and he had been told it was illegal," Cheney said on Twitter.

"Despite this, President Trump plotted with a lawyer named John Eastman and others to overturn the outcome of the election on January 6."

An aide to the committee said the hearing would look at Eastman's role in developing a plot for Trump to pressure Pence into subverting the election, backed by a bogus legal theory that represented a "grave danger to American democracy."

Cheney's tweet featured a clip of testimony from Trump White House attorney Eric Herschmann who told Eastman the day after the insurrection: "Get a great effing criminal defense lawyer. You're going to need it."

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