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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4620 on: February 09, 2022, 03:53:29 PM »
Another anti-Trump propagandist bites the dust.  Rachel Maddow is going on a long "hiatus."  I bet with her low ratings.  What a great couple of weeks for Trump.  Zucker leaves CNN in disgrace. Avenatti to the slammer.  The disgraced Brothers Cuomo keep digging a deeper hole for themselves.  And now Rachel going bye bye.  The winning continues.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4621 on: February 10, 2022, 12:06:43 AM »
Trump's mishandled records likely include classified national security documents: MSNBC analyst



White House records mishandled by former president Donald Trump "very likely" include classified national security documents, according to former GOP lawmaker David Jolly.

Appearing on MSNBC on Wednesday, Jolly was reacting to a report that the National Archives has asked the Justice Department to look at whether Trump broke the law by tearing up presidential records — or removing 15 boxes of them to Mar-a-Lago.

The Washington Post's Jacqueline Alemany, who broke the story about the DOJ referral, called it "fairly significant," adding there are "a number of different potential investigative avenues."

"There are potential issues with one, mishandling classified information, which obviously we are all well acquainted with after an investigation was sparked into Hillary Clinton's emails for that issue," Alemany said. "And then also, the issue of the theft of federal property or documents that includes presidential records and potential gifts."

After host Alicia Menendez noted that the records aren't just "extra napkins" from the White House that Trump accidentally put in a moving van, panelist Yamiche Alcindor suggested that Trump deliberately mishandled documents because he "didn't want to leave a paper trail."

Jolly said the situation is particularly alarming given the context.

"It's easy to think of presidential records as being benign, and I'm sure many of the records are benign, but consider this is a president who was twice impeached for malfeasance and maladministration within office, and he also is somebody who is under criminal investigation in multiple jurisdictions, so there certainly could be evidentiary information that is relevant, not just to a fact-finding investigation of the Congress, but to criminal investigations and investigations that might to relate to behaviors that have not yet been identified," Jolly said.

"I would also say in a very real way, in terms of our national security posture, there very likely are national security documents that despite having certain classified protections, were also prone to being torn up. I mean, there are staff members who have acknowledged — those responsible for having to remove national security documents — that he did this when it came to national security measures as well. So it is important form a fact-finding perspective. it is important for posterity, if you will, but it's also important because of the uniqueness of his president, who was twice impeached and is now under criminal investigation."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4622 on: February 10, 2022, 12:42:05 AM »
Another anti-Trump propagandist bites the dust.  Rachel Maddow is going on a long "hiatus."  I bet with her low ratings.  What a great couple of weeks for Trump.  Zucker leaves CNN in disgrace. Avenatti to the slammer.  The disgraced Brothers Cuomo keep digging a deeper hole for themselves.  And now Rachel going bye bye.  The winning continues.

"Bites the dust"?  :D :D :D

Rachel Maddow is one of the most popular cable news hosts with the highest ratings. She also just signed a new huge multi year contract with NBC. Her "hiatus" is due to her producing a feature film which she was planning for over a year.

"Great couple of weeks for Trump"?  :D :D :D

Pence and members of his own party are turning on him, more evidence of his treason is exposed every single day, a new grand jury against him in Georgia has been impaneled, more of his financial crimes in New York is coming to light, and he is on fast track for prison. Yes, so much "winning". lol 

Rachel Maddow Has Most-Watched Show In First Quarter Cable News Ratings
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2021/03/30/rachel-maddow-has-most-watched-show-in-first-quarter-cable-news-ratings/?sh=475b294c7505

MSNBC host Rachel Maddow will take hiatus to work on a movie
https://news.yahoo.com/msnbc-host-rachel-maddow-hiatus-225036080.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4623 on: February 10, 2022, 12:52:40 AM »
The Trump cult supports civil unrest and violence to push their extreme right wing agenda. The RNC calls that "legitimate public discourse". No surprise certain hacks at Faux Propaganda endorses it but at least Geraldo is speaking out against these thugs illegally shutting down a major city in Canada. 

'What the hell is that?' Fox News' Geraldo buries Tomi Lahren for defending 'thuggish' trucker protests

Fox News' Geraldo Rivera on Wednesday called out Tomi Lahren for supporting the "Freedom Convoy" in Canada that is disrupting life for residents in the city of Ottawa.

During a discussion about the anti-vaccine protests taking place in Canada, Rivera accused Lahren of whitewashing their behavior.

"Their behavior has been nothing short of thuggish in Ottawa," he said. "They kept people in the neighborhood awake all night revving their engines, blowing their horns. They've deprived Ottawa of business, of tens of millions of dollars, now they're blockading the international bridges."

Rivera concluded by telling Lahren that "to give these guys the mantle of freedom fights is appallingly naïve."

Lahren responded by comparing the truckers to America's founders and said that Rivera would have called George Washington and Thomas Jefferson "thugs" and "degenerates" were he alive during the Revolutionary War.

Rivera, however, was not having it, and he was offended that Lahren would compare people carrying swastikas and Confederate flags to America's founders.

"What the hell is that about?" he asked incredulously. "They have been very destructive! 40 percent of Canada's trade goes over the bridge they have blocked!"

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4624 on: February 10, 2022, 04:36:54 AM »
Lock Him Up! What are the odds that Donnie destroyed the most sensitive and incriminating documents in his "burn bags"?

National Archives found possible classified material in boxes returned by Trump



By Michael S. Schmidt and Reid J. Epstein
The New York Times

The National Archives and Records Administration discovered what it believed was classified information in documents Donald Trump had taken with him from the White House as he left office, according to a person briefed on the matter.

The discovery, which occurred after Trump returned 15 boxes of documents to the government last month, prompted the National Archives to reach out to the Justice Department for guidance, the person said. The department told the National Archives to have its inspector general examine the matter, the person said.

It is unclear what the inspector general has done since then, in particular, whether the inspector general has referred the matter to the Justice Department.

An inspector general is required to alert the Justice Department to the discovery of any classified materials that were found outside authorized government channels.

Making a referral to the Justice Department would put senior officials in the position of having to decide whether to open an investigation, a scenario that would thrust the department into a highly contentious political matter.

The Washington Post reported Wednesday that the National Archives had asked the Justice Department to examine Trump’s handling of White House records.

Officials with the National Archives did not respond to messages seeking comment.

In January, after a lengthy back and forth between Trump’s lawyers and the National Archives, Trump handed over more than a dozen boxes of materials, including documents, mementos, gifts and letters. Among the documents were the original versions of a letter that former President Barack Obama had left for Trump when he was first sworn in and letters written to Trump by North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

Also included in the boxes was a map Trump famously drew on with a black Sharpie to demonstrate the track of Hurricane Dorian heading toward Alabama in 2019 to back up a declaration he had made on Twitter that contradicted weather forecasts.

The boxes had originally been sent to Mar-a-Lago from the White House residence, where a range of items — including clothes — were hastily packed up in Trump’s final days in office. Legally, Trump was required to leave the documents, letters and gifts in the custody of the federal government so the National Archives could store them.

After the FBI, during the 2016 presidential campaign, investigated Hillary Clinton’s handling of classified material while she was secretary of state, Trump assailed her, helping make the issue pivotal in the outcome of that race. In that case, the intelligence community’s inspector general had made a national security referral to the FBI, prompting the investigation of Clinton.

But during Trump’s administration, top White House officials were deeply concerned about how little regard Trump showed for sensitive national security materials. John Kelly, the White House chief of staff, tried to stop classified documents from being taken out of the Oval Office and brought up to the residence because he was concerned about what Trump may do with them and how that may jeopardize national security.

Similar to Clinton, Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and daughter Ivanka used personal email accounts for work purposes. And even after being warned by aides, Trump repeatedly ripped up government documents that had to be taped back together to prevent him from being accused of destroying federal property.

Now Trump faces questions about his handling of classified information — a question that is complicated because as president he had the authority to declassify any government information. It is unclear whether Trump had declassified materials that the National Archives discovered in the boxes before he left office. Under federal law, he no longer maintains the ability to declassify documents after leaving office.

He invoked the power to declassify information several times as his administration publicly released materials that helped him politically, particularly on issues like the investigation into his campaign’s ties to Russia.

Toward the end of the administration, Trump ripped pictures that intrigued him out of the President’s Daily Brief — a compendium of often classified information about potential national security threats — but it is unclear whether he took them to the residence with him. In one prominent example of how he dealt with classified material, Trump in 2019 took a highly classified spy satellite image of an Iranian missile launch site, declassified it and then released the photo on Twitter.

If Trump was found to have taken materials with him that were still classified at the time he left the White House, prosecuting him would be extremely difficult and it would pit the Justice Department against Trump at a time when Attorney General Merrick Garland is trying to depoliticize the department.

The department and the FBI also still have significant scars from the investigation into whether Clinton mishandled classified information, as the bureau was accused of unfairly tarnishing her and interfering in the 2016 election.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/national-archives-found-possible-classified-material-in-boxes-returned-by-trump/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4625 on: February 10, 2022, 01:17:14 PM »
Read the emails showing Trump allies’ connections to voting machine seizure push
The conversations shed light on the visibility that Washington lawyer Katherine Friess and Texas entrepreneur Russell Ramsland had into the election subversion push.

Leaked emails obtained by POLITICO reveal the connection of two outside Trump allies — Washington lawyer Katherine Friess and Texas entrepreneur Russell Ramsland — to the failed push to seize voting machines as part of a desperate bid to overturn the 2020 election.

The emails show then-President Donald Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, and another former military officer workshopping the draft of a Trump executive order to seize voting machines. The emails between Flynn, retired Army Col. Phil Waldron and others provide new details about the events that preceded the assault on the Capitol last Jan. 6.

It is unclear if the Capitol riot select committee has obtained the emails. POLITICO is publishing them here, solely redacting the senders’ and recipients’ email addresses. We are also publishing two draft versions of the executive order that would have directed authorities to seize voting equipment. CBS News previously reported on the contents of the emails and published one of the drafts.

All three emails were sent to multiple people, including Friess, who appears to have lobbied for a variety of clients, including groups linked to Puerto Rico and the telecommunications industry. Friess’ visibility into the efforts to overturn the election results on Trump’s behalf has drawn comparatively little scrutiny. She did not respond to requests for comment. Ramsland, Waldron, Flynn and Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani — also a central player in the election subversion effort — also did not respond to requests for comment.





Inside the emails

Waldron — who has said he worked on secret projects in Afghanistan and Iraq with Flynn — sent the first email on Dec. 16, 2020, at 5:14 p.m. to Friess, Flynn and former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik. Waldron’s email included a draft executive order directing the Pentagon to seize voting machines.

“Per conversation,” Waldron wrote. “This is the final draft document. For discussion and coordination”

“PRE-DECISIONAL,” he added.

That document is nearly identical to a draft executive order the National Archives has shared with the Jan. 6 committee, and that POLITICO published last month. Metadata on the document says it was created by a user named Christina Bobb, and later updated by an unnamed person. A One America News anchor by that name was involved in Giuliani’s work for Trump, and previously worked in the Department of Homeland Security during the Trump administration.

The Washington Post reported that Bobb was on at least one conference call about setting up alternate slates of electors for the Jan. 6 certification vote, and that she was at the Willard hotel “command center” that Trump’s allies used as a home base to coordinate efforts to overturn the election. The emails did not cast light on Bobb’s ties to the draft executive order beyond her name’s appearance in the metadata, and she did not respond to requests for comment.

Flynn noticed a problem with the document Waldron had sent: Its title misspelled the word “analyze.”

“I reviewed,” Flynn replied half an hour later to Waldron, Kerik, and Friess. “Fix the spelling error in the title. Ensure it gets a legal review, but this is ready to go from my standpoint. Thanks for getting the key points in.”

It’s not clear if the order got the legal review Flynn referred to. But the email traffic came at a sensitive moment for Trump allies’ push to keep him in office despite his loss to President Joe Biden. Two days after the first email, dated Dec. 16, 2020, Flynn and others held an Oval Office meeting with Trump to press for drastic action to keep his baseless election challenges alive. The New York Times reported that voting machine seizures were discussed at that meeting.

Another email appears to be a forward of a message from Ramsland, a Texas businessman who — according to The Washington Post — pushed a company called Allied Security Operations Group into “a quixotic attempt” to find proof of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election. State-level officials as well as Trump’s own former attorney general have said no fraud occurred that could have changed the outcome.

Ramsland’s forwarded message included three attachments: a draft of an executive order to have the Department of Homeland Security seize voting machines, a draft document that appears to be intended to justify law enforcement officers obtaining warrants to seize those machines, and Ramsland’s public key — in other words, his digital fingerprint used in encrypting ProtonMail messages.

Ramsland’s message was sent on Dec. 17 at 8:44 a.m.

Two minutes later, Waldron forwarded it to Kerik, Friess, and Giuliani.

“Final draft finding - includes DHS switch language as well as Foreign interference expansion and warrant issuance language,” Waldron wrote.

The first two pages of the DHS version of the executive order are virtually identical to those of the Pentagon document. But its final page details a plan for DHS to seize voting machines.

That draft says the Homeland Security secretary “shall seize, collect, preserve, protect, retain and analyze all machines, equipment, electronically stored information, and material records” required under a federal statute that governs the preservation of election records.

It also says the Homeland Security secretary can “determine the interdiction” of other election materials, “including hardware, software, documentation, ballots, key cards and any other physical items to include security badges, polling official rosters, and related items.”

It adds that the DHS secretary and subordinates shall have the power to immediately seek “the issuance of any and all search warrants” they need.

And it says the DHS secretary can ask the secretary of Defense “to provide select personnel/capabilities (federalization of appropriate National Guard assets authorized)” to support “a Defense Support of Civil Authorities mission.” Those missions have previously included support to civilian agencies handling natural disasters, presidential inaugurations, and oil spills, according to the Congressional Research Service.

It’s not clear what expectations the order’s authors had for the National Guard. CNN first reported the existence of a draft order that would have had DHS seize voting machines.

‘Half-baked nonsense’

Chris Krebs, a former top DHS official who defended the election’s integrity and was subsequently fired by Trump, told POLITICO that the draft order was a mess.

“This draft executive order is more of the same sloppy, half-baked nonsense written by someone with only a Facebook Groups-level understanding of government authorities, capabilities, and responsibilities,” he said. “That it may have made its way to the Resolute Desk is hard to comprehend, and we should all be thankful that some sane person somewhere near the Oval Office killed this thing.”

A second document attached to the Ramsland email contained a variety of outlandish allegations involving Saddam Hussein, the Saudi Binladin Group, and Pakistan’s intelligence service. POLITICO has chosen not to publish the document.

Tim Parlatore, a lawyer for Kerik, provided the following statement: “Members of the legal team were exploring various options to preserve evidence to ensure that the vote count was accurate. As with any legal team, various theories are considered and ultimately not followed.”

The draft executive orders cite an Antrim County, Mich., “forensic report” as evidence of significant voter fraud, but allegations from that report have been thoroughly rebutted. Ramsland wrote that report and co-founded a company called Allied Security Operations Group, according to The Washington Examiner.

Friess, who is listed as a recipient on all three emails, sought access to Michigan voting machines in November 2020 and told election officials in Antrim County that she worked on a forensics team for ASOG, the Traverse City Record-Eagle reported at the time. That paper said she flew in by chartered jet on Nov. 27, and told officials that she had dined with Trump and Giuliani the night before. Former Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne told The Washington Post that he paid for the travel.

Friess’ group “made calls to township people on Thanksgiving Day to set all this up, they were strong-arming local clerks to get in and see those machines,” said Antrim County Clerk Sheryl Guy, according to the paper.

The Washington Post previously detailed how Ramsland pushed conspiracy theories about voting machines for years before the 2020 election. Friess and Ramsland were both on an email first reported by Rolling Stone that Waldron sent to a Arizona state lawmaker on Dec. 8, 2020, including what he called a “research document.”

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 https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/09/trump-emails-voting-machines-election-00007449

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4626 on: February 10, 2022, 01:55:03 PM »
NYT's Maggie Haberman reports Trump flushed printouts down White House toilet in 'book he fears most'



Donald Trump's staffers found printouts clogging a White House toilet and believed the former president had flushed the paper, according to a new book by an insider reporter.

Maggie Haberman, a New York Times reporter with close ties to the former president and his family, revealed the odd document disposal scheme in her forthcoming book, "Confidence Man," reported Axios.

"This is the book Trump fears most," reported Axios co-founder Mike Allen. "Among Trump aides, Haberman's book has been the most discussed of the bookshelf of books from reporters who covered Trump's campaigns and White House. Several advisers were unhappy about his decision to talk to her as part of his marathon conversations with book authors at Mar-a-Lago. But they concluded he couldn’t help himself and couldn't be stopped."

Trump has a long history in his business life of ripping up documents, but that poses a potential legal problem because presidential records must be preserved and turned over to the National Archives, which has reportedly asked the Biden Justice Department to lookin into his handling of White House records.

National Archives officials suspected Trump had possibly violated laws regarding the handling of government documents, and 15 boxes of presidential records were retrieved from Mar-A-Lago after a court ordered them turned over to congressional investigators who had subpoenaed them.

"While in office, the former president blithely flouted the Presidential Records Act, which required him to preserve written communications concerning his official duties," Allen reported. "Trump routinely tore up documents and after leaving office brought substantial written materials back to Mar-a-Lago. A Trump spokesman didn't respond to a request for comment about the plumbing matter."

https://www.axios.com/maggie-haberman-book-trump-papers-2d59d593-8b89-4edd-8623-8ef709af524f.html


‘This story is fairly shocking’: WaPo reporter breaks down latest 'bonkers' reports on Trump's final days as president



A Michigan prosecutor revealed that Rudy Giuliani and other Donald Trump allies asked him to seize his county's voting machines and hand them over, and a Washington Post reporter explained how the new revelation fits into the final days of his presidency.

Antrim County prosecutor James Rossiter told the newspaper that Giuliani and others called him around Nov. 20, 2020, and pressed him to hand over the voting machines so they could be examined for fraud, as part of an ongoing scheme to undo Trump's loss in Michigan, and journalist Jackie Alemany explained the significance of her colleagues' findings to MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

"Well, it's amazing, first of all, we are continuing to find so much new information that has yet to be uncovered, which is exactly what the Jan. 6 committee is doing," Alemany said. "But this story especially is just fairly shocking because it shows them actually trying to implement some of their plans that we've seen sketched out in executive orders to seize voting machines. Here is a situation where they dialed in on a specific county and found a reason to do so despite it being obviously quite unconstitutional."

"Even in the conversations I've had just in the past few months there are still a lot of people involved with this effort who believed that these voting machines needed to be seized to be protected so they could prove fraud," she added. "These people are true believers."

That revelation came the same day the New York Times revealed that some of the presidential records found stashed at Mar-A-Lago may have contained classified documents, in possible violations of the law, and Alemany said a series of remarks Trump made about Hillary Clinton's handling of classified material were particularly damning.

"That's why those clips that were just played are so important for everyone to remember, especially when this investigation might potentially lead to whether or not this was negligence or actually intentional behavior," Alemany said. "But it is clear that the former president knew exactly what was wrong with doing these things. He called up Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton on ripping up documents, taking classified information, accepting gifts, mischaracterizations because he knew it was politically damaging and gave the appearance of being corrupt. That's what I think ultimately the DOJ is going to have to do if they decide ultimately to investigate the 15 boxes taken from Mar-A-Lago, which is what the archives has asked them to do according to our reporting yesterday."

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