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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3836 on: March 07, 2021, 05:51:29 PM »
Trump was/is an embarrassment - these four years of him were a nightmare - but these incessant and repeated Rick Plant posts are example of the hysteria of the left in America.

We have two illiberal movements in the US: the Trumpian right and this reactionary left. Both are made up of misguided people who are angry at everyone and filled with paranoia. You cannot disagree with either side without being accused of some sort of apostasy. They are like religious sects that you can't reason with.

This is Duncan's site and he makes the calls. But if would be better in my opinion for the tone of this site - it's the "JFK Assassination Forum" not the "Trump is a Monster Forum" - if Mr. Plant took his politics to a political site. A few posts are fine; but every day it's the same over-the-top posts. Again, this is Duncan's call not mine but that's my suggestion.

And yes, it would be better if Richard Smith cooled things too.

We have two illiberal movements in the US: the Trumpian right and this reactionary left. Both are made up of misguided people who are angry at everyone and filled with paranoia. You cannot disagree with either side without being accused of some sort of apostasy. They are like religious sects that you can't reason with.

You're singin my song , Mr Gilbraith.....  I have never been a Trump man....as far as I'm concerned he's a 75 year old with a 13 year mentality. ....And on the other hand we have ol Joe who clearly has dementia..... Our citizens had better WAKE UP, and start using their God given brains ..... Dr Zuess,  Cat in the Hat is now banned???  Utterly ridiculous.

Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3837 on: March 08, 2021, 12:49:51 AM »

Trump was/is an embarrassment - these four years of him were a nightmare - but these incessant and repeated Rick Plant posts are example of the hysteria of the left in America.

We have two illiberal movements in the US: the Trumpian right and this reactionary left. Both are made up of misguided people who are angry at everyone and filled with paranoia. You cannot disagree with either side without being accused of some sort of apostasy. They are like religious sects that you can't reason with.

This is Duncan's site and he makes the calls. But if would be better in my opinion for the tone of this site - it's the "JFK Assassination Forum" not the "Trump is a Monster Forum" - if Mr. Plant took his politics to a political site. A few posts are fine; but every day it's the same over-the-top posts. Again, this is Duncan's call not mine but that's my suggestion.

And yes, it would be better if Richard Smith cooled things too.

I not a leftist. I think California’s State Income Tax is way too high. But that is what Californian’s want. I think that, someday, they will realize they are in error and make an adjustment. In the meantime, California’s economy will suffer. But Great Britain shows that a Democracy can make a big mistake, too much government spending in the 1940’s through 1970’s, and still recover.

As far as Plant’s “hysteria” is concerned, well I got a little “hysterical” over Trump’s statements and actions, climaxed by the assault on the Capitol, which we could see coming for weeks, or at least something like that was coming. I’ve just managed to calm down over it in the last few weeks.

I think the “Trump issues” have some relevance to the “JFK Assassination”. For years, some CTers, not all, but a good many, have argued that the JFK Assassination was done to subvert Democracy. To steer the country into the Vietnam War. And some argue that this secret Deep State controls the country to this very day, with threats to whoever happens to be President.

Dictators love these types of arguments. The best way to attack Democracy is not to say it’s no good. “Your better off if we control things rather than the people controlling themselves”. Its to make an indirect attack. To argue “Oh, you think you have a Democracy? Don’t you realize that there is a Secret Deep State that is really controlling things. How naïve can you get?”. Pushing a Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy is their best option.

I think the two biggest arguments against the existence of Democracy in America today are:
1.   Trump’s argument that the election was stolen from him.
2.   There was a conspiracy of the U. S. Government, or at least parts of it, to assassinate JFK and get control of the country.

If anyone can name anything as big or bigger, let’s hear it.

Duncan’s forum is not just about solving a cold murder case. It is about something bigger. Does Democracy exist in American today or not? Moscow would love it if we conclude it does not. Get people to believe that and they are half way home.

So, Duncan is wise not to suppress this. The members of the forum have a right to address whatever issue they thing is important. Plant makes a lot of posts. And others make a lot of posts on this subject. Because many members of this forum think that this subject is important. And it does have some relevance to the JFK Assassination since both the Trump case and the JFK Assassination Conspiracy case attack and diminish the people’s faith in Democracy.

The solution is not for Duncan to decide what we should talk about but let the members decide. Anyone can decide to post, or not to post, on this thread or any other.

Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3838 on: March 08, 2021, 01:01:00 AM »

We have two illiberal movements in the US: the Trumpian right and this reactionary left. Both are made up of misguided people who are angry at everyone and filled with paranoia. You cannot disagree with either side without being accused of some sort of apostasy. They are like religious sects that you can't reason with.

You're singin my song , Mr Gilbraith.....  I have never been a Trump man....as far as I'm concerned he's a 75 year old with a 13 year mentality. ....And on the other hand we have ol Joe who clearly has dementia..... Our citizens had better WAKE UP, and start using their God given brains ..... Dr Zuess,  Cat in the Hat is now banned???  Utterly ridiculous.

And banning Dr. Seuss is somehow Biden’s fault? Yes, he hasn’t done much about it. But he has bigger Eggs and Ham to fry. Sometimes you have to pick your battles.

In any case, the sales of Dr. Seuss’s books have shot up and so the American people have rallied to the support the Doctor who believed that people and eggs of all colors have value.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3839 on: March 08, 2021, 01:37:18 AM »
Prosecutor probing Trump hires expert who wrote the book on racketeering cases
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-georgia-prosecutor/

Georgia prosecutor already has Trump nailed for election meddling: ex-US Attorney
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-georgia-2650954279/

Trump is ‘likely going to lose’ new insurrection lawsuit: legal experts
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-ku-klux-klan-act/

'Traitor' Tucker Carlson gets slammed after referring to QAnon followers as 'gentle people'
https://www.rawstory.com/qanon-2650955530/

Biden rides a Keep It Simple, Stupid strategy to early success: The president’s Covid-relief bill passed the Senate on Saturday. It was a remarkably drama-free milestone for a $1.9 trillion bill
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/07/biden-simple-stupid-stategy-474037


Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3840 on: March 08, 2021, 01:47:58 AM »
Trump was/is an embarrassment - these four years of him were a nightmare - but these incessant and repeated Rick Plant posts are example of the hysteria of the left in America.

We have two illiberal movements in the US: the Trumpian right and this reactionary left. Both are made up of misguided people who are angry at everyone and filled with paranoia. You cannot disagree with either side without being accused of some sort of apostasy. They are like religious sects that you can't reason with.

This is Duncan's site and he makes the calls. But if would be better in my opinion for the tone of this site - it's the "JFK Assassination Forum" not the "Trump is a Monster Forum" - if Mr. Plant took his politics to a political site. A few posts are fine; but every day it's the same over-the-top posts. Again, this is Duncan's call not mine but that's my suggestion.

And yes, it would be better if Richard Smith cooled things too.

First of all Mr. Gailbraith, this is the most viewed and most popular thread in the forum. Right wing posters have been trying to get this thread deleted ever since Mr. May started it. You appear to be another one. That's pure censorship and you are calling for cancel culture. 

Second, you've never even participated in this thread until you made a couple of posts recently. This thread has been here since last July and you're just complaining about it now? You made up false accusations against me claiming I said things which I never said about the media.

Third, there is no "hysteria of the left". Only the facts are being reported, which you don't like. And because you don't like it, you're publicly trying to pressure Duncan to remove this thread.   

Fourth, this is just one thread. This thread is not the entire forum.

Fifth, don't tell me where I can post.       

We can look at the other threads in the forum being filled with nothing but insults, constant arguing, and "over the top posts". Why don't those threads offend you?

If you don't care for the content in this thread, then don't visit it.   

There are many conspiracies within the JFK case and they all tie in with the Qanon nuts today.   

We just survived a coup attempt and an insurrection.   

Quit trying to censor content within the forum that isn't your call just because you disagree with what is being posted. 
« Last Edit: March 08, 2021, 01:18:18 PM by Rick Plant »

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3841 on: March 08, 2021, 02:24:19 AM »
Dr Zuess,  Cat in the Hat is now banned???  Utterly ridiculous.

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Dr. Seuss books have had racist overtones since the 1920's and the owners of the Seuss estate understandably want to emphasize diversity.

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Virginia school district says it isn't banning Dr. Seuss' books. On the annual Read Across America Day, it's just no longer emphasizing them
By Leah Asmelash, CNN
Updated 9:18 PM ET, Mon March 1, 2021
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/01/us/loudoun-county-public-schools-virginia-dr-seuss/index.html
« Last Edit: March 20, 2021, 04:54:37 AM by Bill Chapman »

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3842 on: March 08, 2021, 03:01:03 AM »
First of all Mr. Gailbraith, this is the most viewed and most popular thread in the forum. Right wing posters have been trying to get this thread deleted ever since Mr. May started it. You appear to be another one. That's pure censorship. 

Second, you've never even participated in this thread until you made a couple of posts recently. 

Third, there is no "hysteria of the left". Only the facts are being reported, which you don't like.

Fourth, this is just one thread. Not the entire forum.

Fifth, don't tell me where I can post.       

We can look at the other threads in the forum being filled with nothing but insults, constant arguing, and "over the top posts". Why don't those threads offend you?

If you don't care for the content in this thread, then don't visit it.   

There are many conspiracies within the JFK case and they all tie in with the Qanon nuts today.   

We just survived a coup attempt and an insurrection.   

Quit trying to censor content within the forum that isn't your call just because you disagree with what is being posted.

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